The Floyd Landis' of marathon running

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Taking mass transit in a world class race is something that Virenque
must read about and just ask himself why he never thought ot it...

Dumbass:

Do I have to point to the 1904 TdF again?

In article ,
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Nov 1, 6:56*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Don't leave us hanging, Amit! We want stories!


dumbass,

typical stuff, like sitting out laps in a crit or taking a short turn
in a race.

but one good one i know is from a guy who was hired by a national
federation for some international games. in the women's TT there was a
big climb and the woman from this country was lagging, the team car
pulled up and the someone from the fed pushed the woman up the hill at
60 kph - of course she won the race.

afterwards the woman was standing on the podium smiling and my buddy
said he could he practically see the handprint on the the girl's ass -
but he didn't dare say anything because he was in a place where that
could turn out badly for him.

But have you ever heard of a pro cyclist using the director sportif's
team credit card to order like $10,000 worth of cycling stuff, and then
hiding in the bushes at the DS's house until the USP guy delivered the
stuff off..and then stealing it....and then getting caught.

There's a lot of bull**** that goes on out there in the pro ranks. Matt
Decanio and Maori Warrior are actually the normal ones.

I wish this wasn't a blind item, but it's still pretty good.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

MagillaGorilla wrote:
I doubt you can top my stories since mine relate to pros. How about
the time
that a former USPRO champion sat out a lap in an NRC race and hid
behind a
house and then rejoined the break on the following lap and was
DQ'ed.

z wrote:
Gagg

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Close. Try Grag.


marco wrote:
I think you should go ahead and tell the story, including full names and
everything. That way, odds are good that he'll uncover your post when
googling himself and then he will reply to defend himself, sort of like
he
did he
http://tinyurl.com/ykpp99b

MagillaGorilla wrote:
I was not a witness, but you can ask the official who DQ'ed him - Beth
Wren
Estes (I think that's who it was who told me that story, but I honestly
don't
recall which official it was).

What Eddy Gragus doesn't tell you in that post is he was doped up to the
gills when he did that. Do you really think the guy who wins Philly would
disappear from the sport within 2 years had he not been doped to the
gills?

Dude was a fish.

I highly doubt he was doped at that Santa Rosa race. As for the mid-1990s,
who knows. Lots of guys disappeared shortly after winning Philly. That's not
evidence of anything. For awhile it seemed that having the USPro
stars-and-stripes was a curse on a rider's career. Below is the podium from
USPro road championships since 1985 (cut/pasted from wiki). Pretty
interesting how many of the winners disappeared soon after.

1985 Eric Heiden Tom Broznowski Tom Schuler
1986 Thomas Prehn Douglas Shapiro Thurlow Thomas Rogers
1987 Tom Schuler Roy Knickman Gary Fornes
1988 Ron Kiefel Douglas Shapiro Karl Maxon
1989 Greg Oravetz Michael Engleman Alexi Grewal
1990 Kurt Stockton Andy Bishop Kenny Adams
1991 Davis Phinney Kurt Stockton Greg Oravetz
1992 Bart Bowen Andy Bishop Jamie Paolinetti
1993 Lance Armstrong Scott McKinley Jamie Paolinetti
1994 Steve Hegg Scott Fortner Michael Engleman
1995 Norman Alvis Clark Sheehan Lance Armstrong
1996 Eddy Gragus Fred Rodriguez Chris Horner
1997 Bart Bowen Frank McCormack Jonathan Vaughters
1998 George Hincapie Frank McCormack Mark McCormack
1999 Marty Jemison Fred Rodriguez Guatemala Anton Villatoro
2000 Fred Rodriguez George Hincapie John Lieswyn
2001 Fred Rodriguez Trent Klasna George Hincapie
2002 Chann McRae Danny Pate George Hincapie
2003 Mark McCormack Kevin Monahan David Clinger
2004 Fred Rodriguez Kirk O'Bee Russell Hamby
2005 Chris Wherry Danny Pate Chris Horner
2006 George Hincapie Levi Leipheimer Danny Pate
2007 Levi Leipheimer George Hincapie Neil Shirley
2008 Tyler Hamilton Blake Caldwell Danny Pate
2009 George Hincapie Andrew Bajadali Jeff Louder

Robert Chung wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Taking mass transit in a world class race is something that Virenque
must read about and just ask himself why he never thought ot it...

Dumbass:

Do I have to point to the 1904 TdF again?

And here I thought you were going to scold me for thinking Virenque could
read.

Magilla

marco wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
I doubt you can top my stories since mine relate to pros. How
about
the time
that a former USPRO champion sat out a lap in an NRC race and hid
behind a
house and then rejoined the break on the following lap and was
DQ'ed.

z wrote:
Gagg

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Close. Try Grag.


marco wrote:
I think you should go ahead and tell the story, including full names and
everything. That way, odds are good that he'll uncover your post when
googling himself and then he will reply to defend himself, sort of
like he
did he
http://tinyurl.com/ykpp99b

MagillaGorilla wrote:
I was not a witness, but you can ask the official who DQ'ed him - Beth
Wren
Estes (I think that's who it was who told me that story, but I
honestly don't
recall which official it was).

What Eddy Gragus doesn't tell you in that post is he was doped up to the
gills when he did that. Do you really think the guy who wins Philly
would
disappear from the sport within 2 years had he not been doped to the
gills?

Dude was a fish.

I highly doubt he was doped at that Santa Rosa race. As for the
mid-1990s, who knows. Lots of guys disappeared shortly after winning
Philly. That's not evidence of anything. For awhile it seemed that
having the USPro stars-and-stripes was a curse on a rider's career.
Below is the podium from USPro road championships since 1985 (cut/pasted
from wiki). Pretty interesting how many of the winners disappeared soon
after.

1985 Eric Heiden Tom Broznowski Tom Schuler
1986 Thomas Prehn Douglas Shapiro Thurlow Thomas Rogers
1987 Tom Schuler Roy Knickman Gary Fornes
1988 Ron Kiefel Douglas Shapiro Karl Maxon
1989 Greg Oravetz Michael Engleman Alexi Grewal
1990 Kurt Stockton Andy Bishop Kenny Adams
1991 Davis Phinney Kurt Stockton Greg Oravetz
1992 Bart Bowen Andy Bishop Jamie Paolinetti
1993 Lance Armstrong Scott McKinley Jamie Paolinetti
1994 Steve Hegg Scott Fortner Michael Engleman
1995 Norman Alvis Clark Sheehan Lance Armstrong
1996 Eddy Gragus Fred Rodriguez Chris Horner
1997 Bart Bowen Frank McCormack Jonathan Vaughters
1998 George Hincapie Frank McCormack Mark McCormack
1999 Marty Jemison Fred Rodriguez Guatemala Anton Villatoro
2000 Fred Rodriguez George Hincapie John Lieswyn
2001 Fred Rodriguez Trent Klasna George Hincapie
2002 Chann McRae Danny Pate George Hincapie
2003 Mark McCormack Kevin Monahan David Clinger
2004 Fred Rodriguez Kirk O'Bee Russell Hamby
2005 Chris Wherry Danny Pate Chris Horner
2006 George Hincapie Levi Leipheimer Danny Pate
2007 Levi Leipheimer George Hincapie Neil Shirley
2008 Tyler Hamilton Blake Caldwell Danny Pate
2009 George Hincapie Andrew Bajadali Jeff Louder


How many were getting ready to be put out to pasture, career-wise?

"z" wrote in message ...
marco wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
I doubt you can top my stories since mine relate to pros. How
about
the time
that a former USPRO champion sat out a lap in an NRC race and hid
behind a
house and then rejoined the break on the following lap and was
DQ'ed.

z wrote:
Gagg

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Close. Try Grag.


marco wrote:
I think you should go ahead and tell the story, including full names
and
everything. That way, odds are good that he'll uncover your post when
googling himself and then he will reply to defend himself, sort of like
he
did he
http://tinyurl.com/ykpp99b

MagillaGorilla wrote:
I was not a witness, but you can ask the official who DQ'ed him - Beth
Wren
Estes (I think that's who it was who told me that story, but I honestly
don't
recall which official it was).

What Eddy Gragus doesn't tell you in that post is he was doped up to the
gills when he did that. Do you really think the guy who wins Philly
would
disappear from the sport within 2 years had he not been doped to the
gills?

Dude was a fish.

I highly doubt he was doped at that Santa Rosa race. As for the
mid-1990s, who knows. Lots of guys disappeared shortly after winning
Philly. That's not evidence of anything. For awhile it seemed that having
the USPro stars-and-stripes was a curse on a rider's career. Below is the
podium from USPro road championships since 1985 (cut/pasted from wiki).
Pretty interesting how many of the winners disappeared soon after.

1985 Eric Heiden Tom Broznowski Tom Schuler
1986 Thomas Prehn Douglas Shapiro Thurlow Thomas Rogers
1987 Tom Schuler Roy Knickman Gary Fornes
1988 Ron Kiefel Douglas Shapiro Karl Maxon
1989 Greg Oravetz Michael Engleman Alexi Grewal
1990 Kurt Stockton Andy Bishop Kenny Adams
1991 Davis Phinney Kurt Stockton Greg Oravetz
1992 Bart Bowen Andy Bishop Jamie Paolinetti
1993 Lance Armstrong Scott McKinley Jamie Paolinetti
1994 Steve Hegg Scott Fortner Michael Engleman
1995 Norman Alvis Clark Sheehan Lance Armstrong
1996 Eddy Gragus Fred Rodriguez Chris Horner
1997 Bart Bowen Frank McCormack Jonathan Vaughters
1998 George Hincapie Frank McCormack Mark McCormack
1999 Marty Jemison Fred Rodriguez Guatemala Anton Villatoro
2000 Fred Rodriguez George Hincapie John Lieswyn
2001 Fred Rodriguez Trent Klasna George Hincapie
2002 Chann McRae Danny Pate George Hincapie
2003 Mark McCormack Kevin Monahan David Clinger
2004 Fred Rodriguez Kirk O'Bee Russell Hamby
2005 Chris Wherry Danny Pate Chris Horner
2006 George Hincapie Levi Leipheimer Danny Pate
2007 Levi Leipheimer George Hincapie Neil Shirley
2008 Tyler Hamilton Blake Caldwell Danny Pate
2009 George Hincapie Andrew Bajadali Jeff Louder


How many were getting ready to be put out to pasture, career-wise?


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On Nov 1, 4:38*am, --D-y wrote:

None of those errant runners attracted the notoriety of Ms. Ruiz, who
used the public transit system in New York in 1979 and was exposed as
a cheat after she crossed the finish line first in Boston several
months later.

Remindful of the pioneers of our great country, whose journeys
encompassed months of toil and danger.

There weren't any subways from the Mississippi to California back in
the 1840's. In fact, there still aren't any. Well okay, Amtrak does
go thru a few tunnels.

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Robert Chung wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Taking mass transit in a world class race is something that Virenque
must read about and just ask himself why he never thought ot it...

Dumbass:

Do I have to point to the 1904 TdF again?

And here I thought you were going to scold me for thinking Virenque
could read.

He can read a l'insu de son plein gre.

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
There weren't any subways from the Mississippi to California back in
the 1840's. In fact, there still aren't any. Well okay, Amtrak does
go thru a few tunnels.


As usual you have the Chinese to thank for the tunnels:
http://cprr.org/Museum/Chinese_Laborers.html