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Tony Dragon wrote:

There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.

So in that case he pays zero ( one of the exceptions)


Why is it an exception? Is the zero rated band of income tax an exception
(hardly since it applies to everyone with income) or just a zero rated tax
band?
..

Good so you agree that the payment is a pre-requisite for using the
vehicle on the road (being allowed use the road0

No because for quite a few models of car there is no payment. Having a VED
disc is a prerequisite but it needn't cost you anything.



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Tony

Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/04/2011 11:52, Tony Raven wrote:
wrote:

so the majority of car owners pay road tax.

Probably but since none of them actually needs to, one must assume they are
happy to voluntarily pay that tax so they can drive a bigger more polluting
car.


Thank you for agreeing, the question of course was not about if they chose to pay it.

No it was whether they had to pay it. Nobody is making them use a Band B or
above car.

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Tony

On 08/04/2011 07:17, Simon Mason wrote:
On Apr 8, 6:48 am, Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 06:29, Rob Morley wrote:





On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:15:33 +0100
Tony wrote:

On 07/04/2011 18:29, Tony Raven wrote:
...@r ocketmail.com
wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:46 pm, Sedentary IgnorantPopulist

Would you agree that the owner of a car has to pay a specific
tax/duty/ etc(s) to enable him to use the car on the road (forget
the exceptions)?

No, I use a Band A car where no VED is payable.

Would you agree that the owner of a bicycle does not have to pay a
specific tax/duty/etc(s)c to enable him to use the bicycle on the
road (forget the exceptions)?

No equivalent to VED no, but then they class as Band A if you did
want to classify them so it would be zero anyway.

Was the question to difficult?

Apparently the answer was.

Before I get jumped on by the pedants, I will reply again.

The answer was evasive, the question asked was not personal to him.
But he seems to agree that a bicycle owner/user does not pay.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here we go again.

See Janet in her car.
It's a band F car.
Janet has never paid a penny in VED, fuel duty or VAT on fuel,
repairs, insurance, MOTs, yada yada yada.
Janet's cycling husband pays all of it.
Therefore cyclist and bicycle owner, John pays all of the tax that
goes with owning and running a car.
The driver Janet pays nothing at all and never has.
Janet is, in the common parlance, a freeloading motoring scum who pays
nothing towards running a car.

Er... only if EVERY housewife and every dependant child is also freeloading scum.

On 08/04/2011 08:01, Ian Smith wrote:
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011,
On Apr 7, 6:29 pm, Tony wrote:

[possibly Thomas wrote, but I've scrambled the attributions]:
Would you agree that the owner of a car has to pay a specific
tax/duty/ etc(s) to enable him to use the car on the road
(forget the exceptions)?

No, I use a Band A car where no VED is payable.


Oh dear, did I say you, no, I said the owner of a car.
Did I say forget the exceptions, yes.
Do you want to try again, or do you want to try another wriggle?

Do you really think the answer to the question "Do you have to pay tax
to use a car for which you have to pay tax?" is a useful way to
advance the debate?

You could prove that no cyclists pays income tax: "Ignoring all the
cyclists that pay income tax, how much income tax does the average
cyclist pay?" Or you could prove that every motorist is properly
insured: "Ignoring the ones that aren't properly insured, how many
motorists don't have valid insurance?"

In general, as a matter of principle, no you do not need to pay a
specific tax to use a car on the road.

For some particular cars, yes you do have to pay a specific tax to use
that car on the roads. As it happens there are more particular
examples that do than that don't,

Not really.

There are actully no cars in respect of which the owner or user (or
owner-user) does not need to pay a tax in order to use them on the road. In
fact, he'll need to pay more than one. And in case you were wondering, the
number more than two.

but since a large number don't it
cannot be a fundamental principle that cars need to have tax paid on
them.

You'd be right if only you weren't 100% wrong.

On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 11:52, Tony Raven wrote:
wrote:

so the majority of car owners pay road tax.

Probably but since none of them actually needs to, one must assume they are
happy to voluntarily pay that tax so they can drive a bigger more polluting
car.


Thank you for agreeing, the question of course was not about if they chose to pay it.

No it was whether they had to pay it. Nobody is making them use a Band B or
above car.


Wriggle alert

On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:

There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.

So in that case he pays zero ( one of the exceptions)


Why is it an exception? Is the zero rated band of income tax an exception
(hardly since it applies to everyone with income) or just a zero rated tax
band?
.

Good so you agree that the payment is a pre-requisite for using the
vehicle on the road (being allowed use the road0

No because for quite a few models of car there is no payment. Having a VED
disc is a prerequisite but it needn't cost you anything.




Wriggle, wriggle

"Mrcheerful" wrote:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/04/2011 11:52, Tony Raven wrote:
wrote:

so the majority of car owners pay road tax.

Probably but since none of them actually needs to, one must assume
they are happy to voluntarily pay that tax so they can drive a
bigger more polluting car.


Thank you for agreeing, the question of course was not about if they
chose to pay it.

it is also a question of economics, you can tax a car you already own for a
100 years (at the present rate), for the same cost as buying a new tax
exempt car, so there is no incentive. unless you do very high mileages
there is also no advantage financially in getting a more economical (fuel
wise) car.
I did the figures for a friend of mine: he had bought a new prius, I showed
him how he could have saved a load of money by buying and using a secondhand
Rolls Royce instead.

You are entitled to make those financial decisions if you wish but it still
means you are choosing to pay it (because it's financially advantageous to
you to do so)

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Tony

Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:

There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.

So in that case he pays zero ( one of the exceptions)


Why is it an exception? Is the zero rated band of income tax an exception
(hardly since it applies to everyone with income) or just a zero rated tax
band?
.

Good so you agree that the payment is a pre-requisite for using the
vehicle on the road (being allowed use the road0

No because for quite a few models of car there is no payment. Having a VED
disc is a prerequisite but it needn't cost you anything.




Wriggle, wriggle

The most honest exposition of your position yet.

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Tony

Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 11:52, Tony Raven wrote:
wrote:

so the majority of car owners pay road tax.

Probably but since none of them actually needs to, one must assume they are
happy to voluntarily pay that tax so they can drive a bigger more polluting
car.


Thank you for agreeing, the question of course was not about if they chose to pay it.

No it was whether they had to pay it. Nobody is making them use a Band B or
above car.


Wriggle alert

Thanks for the heads up. Let's hear you wriggle then.

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Tony

On 08/04/2011 07:59, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 06:29, Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:15:33 +0100
Tony wrote:

On 07/04/2011 18:29, Tony Raven wrote:
@r ocketmail.com
wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:46 pm, Sedentary IgnorantPopulist

Would you agree that the owner of a car has to pay a specific
tax/duty/ etc(s) to enable him to use the car on the road (forget
the exceptions)?

No, I use a Band A car where no VED is payable.


Would you agree that the owner of a bicycle does not have to pay a
specific tax/duty/etc(s)c to enable him to use the bicycle on the
road (forget the exceptions)?

No equivalent to VED no, but then they class as Band A if you did
want to classify them so it would be zero anyway.



Was the question to difficult?

Apparently the answer was.



The answer was evasive, the question asked was not personal to him.
But he seems to agree that a bicycle does not pay.

It was not. No-one HAS to pay VED to drive a car.

The vast majority do.

They have a number of
Band A cars to chose from.

51 to be exact.

No-one is forcing them to use a higher banded
car. It's a free choice but many seem to elect to buy one where they have
to pay VED. That's hardly a reason to complain about "having" to pay it.

Once again managing to bring stupidity to a higher level, whist being a
pretentious ****.

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Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk