two-wheeled scum murdering pedestrians again

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:25:58 -0700 (PDT), Front Mech wrote:

On Apr 12, 11:44*am, Judith wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:21:48 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:









On 11/04/2011 21:17, Front Mech wrote:
On 11 apr, 19:26, The Medway
wrote:
On 10/04/2011 20:02, Front Mech wrote:

You fail to understand the difference between not being liable to pay
VED (non-payers) and evaders (many motorists).

You fail to understand the difference between motorists who pay Road Tax
and sponging cyclists who should pay to use push bikes on public roads.

The law is not with you on that one. Given that the rate of VED is
proportional to CO2 emissions of the vehicle, and the lowest band has
rate of 0 pounds per year, which Band would bicycles fall under?

Road Tax has been altered to pacify the Green lobby & raise extra
revenue. *It has **** all to do with CO2 emissions. *If it did, pre 1973
cars wouldn't be exempt would they?

And why should cyclists pay Road Tax?

IFYPFY.

Because they use 'Roads'.

He appears to be that stupid - it could be Simple posting under a different name.

-- * * *
Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists.
You got a quotation for Simon giving that as a reason?

Why not just ask him - I would hate to steal his thunder.

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Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists.
A total disreagrd for the well-being of vulnerable road users.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:55:20 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason wrote:

On Apr 12, 4:25*pm, Front Mech wrote:
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Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists.

You got a quotation for Simon giving that as a reason?- Hide quoted text -

JMS made it up, of course. I ride at 20mph plus down 20mph zones so as
not to "hold up" any following traffic


Oh dear, oh dear oh dear - has Simples been at the Porky Chapman school of deceit?

Now please feel free to explain why you cycle down a mile long lane which has three schools on it
which is signed at 20mph and down which you cycle at 25mph.

Perhaps you think it is clever.
Perhaps it is because the 20mph limit does not apply to you.
Perhaps it is because no child will run out of the school exit in front of you.

(Or perhaps you are just a knob)


Share with us why you do it.

Come on Simples - you must have a very, very good reason for doing so.


(Your little story of not wanting to hold up the traffic was a very late comer to your argument -
once you realised what a knob you were appearing to be with your total disregard for other road
users)
--
Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists.
A total disreagrd for the well-being of vulnerable road users.

On Apr 12, 6:08*pm, Judith wrote:
Now please feel free to explain why you cycle down a mile long lane which has three schools on it
which is signed at 20mph and down which you cycle at 25mph.


Matt B has seen a Street View map of the lane in question and stated
that in his view, it is not surprising that the 20mph posted limit is
ignored by the vast majority of drivers. Mostly parents and teachers
of self same schools IME. Maybe he will explain *why* the limit is so
widely flouted, as I would have expected a 20mph sign outside a school
to be respected, but he has said on record, that the layout of the
road is all wrong for the 20mph limit to be obeyed. Maybe he can tell
you why it is ignored so much?

--
Simon Mason

On 12/04/2011 09:11, Simon Mason wrote:
On Apr 12, 12:21 am, The Medway
wrote:
On 11/04/2011 21:17, Front Mech wrote:

On 11 apr, 19:26, The Medway
wrote:
On 10/04/2011 20:02, Front Mech wrote:

You fail to understand the difference between not being liable to pay
VED (non-payers) and evaders (many motorists).

You fail to understand the difference between motorists who pay Road Tax
and sponging cyclists who should pay to use push bikes on public roads.
The law is not with you on that one. Given that the rate of VED is
proportional to CO2 emissions of the vehicle, and the lowest band has
rate of 0 pounds per year, which Band would bicycles fall under?

Road Tax has been altered to pacify the Green lobby& raise extra
revenue. It has **** all to do with CO2 emissions. If it did, pre 1973
cars wouldn't be exempt would they?

You mean that drivers of pre 1973 cars pay no "road tax"?

Does that make them freeloading scum?

Nope because the owners of those cars pay fuel duty.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Apr 12, 6:45*pm, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
On 12/04/2011 09:11, Simon Mason wrote:





On Apr 12, 12:21 am, The Medway
wrote:
On 11/04/2011 21:17, Front Mech wrote:

On 11 apr, 19:26, The Medway
wrote:
On 10/04/2011 20:02, Front Mech wrote:

You fail to understand the difference between not being liable to pay
VED (non-payers) and evaders (many motorists).

You fail to understand the difference between motorists who pay Road Tax
and sponging cyclists who should pay to use push bikes on public roads.
The law is not with you on that one. Given that the rate of VED is
proportional to CO2 emissions of the vehicle, and the lowest band has
rate of 0 pounds per year, which Band would bicycles fall under?

Road Tax has been altered to pacify the Green lobby& *raise extra
revenue. *It has **** all to do with CO2 emissions. *If it did, pre 1973
cars wouldn't be exempt would they?

You mean that drivers of pre 1973 cars pay no "road tax"?

Does that make them freeloading scum?

Nope because the owners of those cars pay fuel duty.

--
Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

See Janet in her car.
Janet pays no fuel duty at all.
Cycling John pays it all.
Janet is a freeloading scum driver.

--
Simon Mason

On 12/04/2011 16:32, Front Mech wrote:

Road Tax has been altered to pacify the Green lobby& raise extra
revenue. It has **** all to do with CO2 emissions.
Except that the bands are drectly related to the measured emissions of
the car in question (source: the government's own documentation). But
apart from that, absolutely **** all.


If it did, pre 1973 cars wouldn't be exempt would they?
Yes: they are classic cars and travel a minute number of miles per
year. They are almost never used for commuting - most classic car
insurance policies exclude this and limit the number of miles per
year. Commuting and driving in heavy traffic is the most polluting use
of a car. These cars will also have been taxed for many years.
And why should cyclists pay Road Tax?

IFYPFY.

Because they use 'Roads'.
There is no road tax. It is VED. how thick are you?

Obviously not as thick as someone who believes Road Tax has the
slightest thing to do with emissions, saving the planet, dolphins, nema
toads or fluffy bunnies.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason wrote:

snip

See Janet in her car.
Janet pays no fuel duty at all.
Cycling John pays it all.
Janet is a freeloading scum driver.
Simple Simon is a ****wit
--
Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists.
A total disreagrd for the well-being of vulnerable road users.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason wrote:

On Apr 12, 6:08*pm, Judith wrote:
Now please feel free to explain why you cycle down a mile long lane which has three schools on it
which is signed at 20mph and down which you cycle at 25mph.


Matt B has seen a Street View map of the lane in question and stated
that in his view, it is not surprising that the 20mph posted limit is
ignored by the vast majority of drivers.

Well that is really, really relevant (if you are Simple)

Sorry sunshine - I was asking *you* why *you* ride down that country lane with three schools on it
at 25mph - 5 mph more than the posted limit - not what other people do.

So come on - why do *you* do it?

(PS what on earth makes you think I give a flying **** on what Matt B thinks about the actions of
motorists on this matter; we are discussing the actions of *you*)

On Apr 12, 7:06*pm, Judith wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason wrote:
On Apr 12, 6:08*pm, Judith wrote:
Now please feel free to explain why you cycle down a mile long lane which has three schools on it
which is signed at 20mph and down which you cycle at 25mph.

Matt B has seen a Street View map of the lane in question and stated
that in his view, it is not surprising that the 20mph posted limit is
ignored by the vast majority of drivers.

Well that is really, really relevant (if you are Simple)

Sorry sunshine *- I was asking *you* why *you* ride down that country lane with three schools *on it
at 25mph - 5 mph more than the posted limit *- not what other people do..

So come on - why do *you* do it?

Ask Matt B - he blames it on the road layout.
I'm sure he will explain it to you.
Something about it being too wide, clear of clutter and speed humps I
think he said and not being policed enough came into it as well, I
think.

--
Simon Mason

On 12 apr, 18:07, Matt B wrote:
On 12/04/2011 16:32, Front Mech wrote:



Road Tax has been altered to pacify the Green lobby& *raise extra
revenue. *It has **** all to do with CO2 emissions.

Except that the bands are drectly related to the measured emissions of
the car in question (source: the government's own documentation).

No they aren't. *The band is not related to measured emissions at all.

For all bands you pay the full amount, even if you don't emit any CO2.

In band A you paying nothing regardless of how much CO2 you emit.

But
apart from that, absolutely **** all.

Precisely, it is by band, not be emissions. *The bands are set, not on
how much you emit, but by the theoretical potential of your engine /to/
emit - a rating.

--
Matt B
Just got this from

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...cle/DG_4022118

The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles
and trade licences

Tax classes include:

private/light goods vehicles, motorcycles and tricycles
cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 based on CO2 emissions
and fuel type
cars registered before 23 March 2006 based on CO2 emissions over
225g/km and fuel type

Am I misreading it in some way? It does appear to indicate that VED is
based on CO2 emissions.