you people are gay

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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:

On Friday 26 November 2004 00:10, Sierraman wrote:
In the courts, you swear on the bible

Surely you don't have to. Also, wasn't there a trial last year where a
father demanded the right for his child not to have to pledge allegiance to
god in the school's weekly (daily?) opening? And he won it, I think (or I
definitely hope so).

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/14/scotus.pledge/

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On Friday 26 November 2004 01:17, TritonRider wrote:
one Nation under God,

Ah yes, I knew I didn't have it quite right, but wasn't sure where god came
in.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2068737.stm
Don't know if it has gone any further than the federal appeals court.

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On Friday 26 November 2004 01:17, TritonRider wrote:
one Nation under God,

Ah yes, I knew I didn't have it quite right, but wasn't sure where god came
in.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2068737.stm
Don't know if it has gone any further than the federal appeals court.

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(TritonRider) wrote:

From: Donald Munro

I must have missed a post here as I didn't see where John expressed such
an opinion, violently or otherwise.

The opinion that he has expressed was that the Govt. needs ban all religion
from of all facets of govt. and public life.

Well, my interpretation of what John wrote didn't go that far,
especially in terms of public life.

This in my mind is enforced atheism. My take is that the govt. needs to be
totally neutral to all religions. It's a tough question to deal with though
as it's so emotional and complex.
I do think that we are going to have to fight to keep the far right from
making a power grab and forcing their agenda onto the country now.

That's pretty much what they're doing already. With guys like Scalia on
the Supreme Court, it will be much easier for them to do so. And speaking
of Scalia, anyone who says there's a problem with "activist judges" being
on the left hasn't been paying attention. Here's a link to a Newsday
article:

http://tinyurl.com/3txca

The first graf:
"U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anonin Scalia said Monday that a
religion-neutral government does not fit with an America that reflects
belief in God in everything from its money to its military."

Being opposed to having others religious views foisted upon you differs
from being 'opposed to people's freedom to practice their religion'. It
does not matter whether these others are moslems trying to force women to
cover their faces or christian fundamentalists (or catholics) trying to
impose their views on for example abortion on everyone else.


There we agree, but the Govt also has to stop attempting to strip religion
from all forms of public life.
Banning Halloween, banning discussion of religious holidays in schools
etc...is really losing a chance to include and educate everyone about each
other's beliefs. With things as polarized as they are today discussion and
understanding are more critical than ever IMO.
Bill C

The problem is that there are rarely discussions on this in schools - it
seems to be a very one-sided thing, with christianity being the only one
being given any credence here.

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In article ,
(TritonRider) wrote:

From: Donald Munro

I must have missed a post here as I didn't see where John expressed such
an opinion, violently or otherwise.

The opinion that he has expressed was that the Govt. needs ban all religion
from of all facets of govt. and public life.

Well, my interpretation of what John wrote didn't go that far,
especially in terms of public life.

This in my mind is enforced atheism. My take is that the govt. needs to be
totally neutral to all religions. It's a tough question to deal with though
as it's so emotional and complex.
I do think that we are going to have to fight to keep the far right from
making a power grab and forcing their agenda onto the country now.

That's pretty much what they're doing already. With guys like Scalia on
the Supreme Court, it will be much easier for them to do so. And speaking
of Scalia, anyone who says there's a problem with "activist judges" being
on the left hasn't been paying attention. Here's a link to a Newsday
article:

http://tinyurl.com/3txca

The first graf:
"U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anonin Scalia said Monday that a
religion-neutral government does not fit with an America that reflects
belief in God in everything from its money to its military."

Being opposed to having others religious views foisted upon you differs
from being 'opposed to people's freedom to practice their religion'. It
does not matter whether these others are moslems trying to force women to
cover their faces or christian fundamentalists (or catholics) trying to
impose their views on for example abortion on everyone else.


There we agree, but the Govt also has to stop attempting to strip religion
from all forms of public life.
Banning Halloween, banning discussion of religious holidays in schools
etc...is really losing a chance to include and educate everyone about each
other's beliefs. With things as polarized as they are today discussion and
understanding are more critical than ever IMO.
Bill C

The problem is that there are rarely discussions on this in schools - it
seems to be a very one-sided thing, with christianity being the only one
being given any credence here.

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tanx,
Howard

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Atomic 7

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On Friday 26 November 2004 01:31, Howard Kveck wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/14/scotus.pledge/

Ah, damn!

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On Friday 26 November 2004 01:31, Howard Kveck wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/14/scotus.pledge/

Ah, damn!

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From: Howard Kveck
Date: 11/25/2004 7:37 PM Eastern

The problem is that there are rarely discussions on this in schools - it
seems to be a very one-sided thing, with christianity being the only one
being given any credence here.

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That is definitely not the case out here, but thats another failing of our
education system in that they miss oppourtunities to actually teach the
diversity that cultures have rather than just gloss over it.
We had a Catholic school but it's long gone. We have a new Jewish elementary
school and the public schools here do a little bit on just about every religion
when there is a significant event for them happening.
They really do a pretty decent job here with that type of thing.
Bill C

From: Howard Kveck
Date: 11/25/2004 7:37 PM Eastern

The problem is that there are rarely discussions on this in schools - it
seems to be a very one-sided thing, with christianity being the only one
being given any credence here.

--
tanx,
Howard


That is definitely not the case out here, but thats another failing of our
education system in that they miss oppourtunities to actually teach the
diversity that cultures have rather than just gloss over it.
We had a Catholic school but it's long gone. We have a new Jewish elementary
school and the public schools here do a little bit on just about every religion
when there is a significant event for them happening.
They really do a pretty decent job here with that type of thing.
Bill C

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nk.net...

"Sierraman" wrote in message
...
ps-BTW, I found an interesting link about Eisenhower warning the the
world
about the Military becoming a big business enterprise, which make me
think
of a global war machine run by the International elites of the world.
Forget
about police state. How about global police state?



http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5407.htm


Have you seen the film Rollerball with James Caan? It's exactly that kind
of world that we.re headed toward.

It's been so long, I would have to see it again.

How about Brazil, Bladerunner, or Orsen Wells-1984.