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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton
Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On 02/10/2020 11:15, colwyn wrote:
Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! As I understand it, currently, all public use of these machines (whatever name is finally chosen for them) is illegal and anti-social. They are motor-cycles, though perhaps, if the foot is used for propulsion part of the time, perhaps something more akin to the moped end of things. The same licensing, registration, testing and C&U regs need to be applied, including a requirement for the installation and proper maintenance of brakes and lights, third-party insurance, MOT test and certificate when of a certain registration age) etc. |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On 02/10/2020 16:05, JNugent wrote:
On 02/10/2020 11:15, colwyn wrote: Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! As I understand it, currently, all public use of these machines (whatever name is finally chosen for them) is illegal and anti-social. People are using them so it might be better to accept them. There is precedence for allowing anti-social vehicles to use the streets - motor vehicles. On top of being anti-social they also happen to be very dangerous (though as we know, personal convenience is allowed to override the danger). The story is that mass disobedience was a catalyst to drop the red flag law. They are motor-cycles, though perhaps, if the foot is used for propulsion part of the time, perhaps something more akin to the moped end of things. Simple. Create a new category instead of trying to fit them into an existing category. It's only words. |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On 02/10/2020 20:09, TMS320 wrote:
On 02/10/2020 16:05, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 11:15, colwyn wrote: Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! As I understand it, currently, all public use of these machines (whatever name is finally chosen for them) is illegal and anti-social. People are using them so it might be better to accept them. And one could say the same of machetes around the London bridge area, I suppose? Or perhaps not. There is precedence for allowing anti-social vehicles to use the streets - motor vehicles. On top of being anti-social they also happen to be very dangerous (though as we know, personal convenience is allowed to override the danger). The story is that mass disobedience was a catalyst to drop the red flag law. Do you know what a non-sequitur is? They are motor-cycles, though perhaps, if the foot is used for propulsion part of the time, perhaps something more akin to the moped end of things. Simple. Create a new category instead of trying to fit them into an existing category. It's only words. You'd be content to be run over by one on a footway, seriously and disablingly injured and then to learn that the "driver" wasn't insured, would you? Yeah, right. Do you expect to be believed? Seriously? |
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On 03/10/2020 00:21, JNugent wrote:
On 02/10/2020 20:09, TMS320 wrote: On 02/10/2020 16:05, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 11:15, colwyn wrote: Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! As I understand it, currently, all public use of these machines (whatever name is finally chosen for them) is illegal and anti-social. People are using them so it might be better to accept them. And one could say the same of machetes around the London bridge area, I suppose? A machete is not a form of transport. Scooters replace an existing dangerous and extremely anti-social form of transport. Or perhaps not. There is precedence for allowing anti-social vehicles to use the streets - motor vehicles. On top of being anti-social they also happen to be very dangerous (though as we know, personal convenience is allowed to override the danger). The story is that mass disobedience was a catalyst to drop the red flag law. Do you know what a non-sequitur is? Something like trying to compare an e-scooter with a machete. They are motor-cycles, though perhaps, if the foot is used for propulsion part of the time, perhaps something more akin to the moped end of things. Simple. Create a new category instead of trying to fit them into an existing category. It's only words. You'd be content to be run over by one on a footway, seriously and disablingly injured and then to learn that the "driver" wasn't insured, would you? It's not inevitable. Yeah, right. Do you expect to be believed? Seriously? I can easily believe that you are frightened of spiders. |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 11:15:41 +0100
colwyn wrote: Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! On the one hand it makes sense for city use as e-scooters are very easy to use- you just stand and go, no swinging a leg over or reaching for the controls. On the other hand I wonder how they'll cope with the inherent instability under braking caused by the high and forward centre of mass relative to the short wheelbase, and susceptibility of the small wheels to being swallowed by potholes. I guess they can be smart enough to manage deceleration optimally to reduce the tip hazard, but they can't overcome the basic physics. Maybe they'll evolve into something with larger wheels further apart, perhaps somewhere to sit ... |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On 03/10/2020 11:36, TMS320 wrote:
On 03/10/2020 00:21, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 20:09, TMS320 wrote: On 02/10/2020 16:05, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 11:15, colwyn wrote: Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! As I understand it, currently, all public use of these machines (whatever name is finally chosen for them) is illegal and anti-social. People are using them so it might be better to accept them. And one could say the same of machetes around the London bridge area, I suppose? A machete is not a form of transport. But people *do* use them so (according to your "logic"), it might be better to accept them. Scooters replace an existing dangerous and extremely anti-social form of transport. That's no way to describe walking. It's about right for footway cycling, though, as I know you will agree. Or perhaps not. There is precedence for allowing anti-social vehicles to use the streets - motor vehicles. On top of being anti-social they also happen to be very dangerous (though as we know, personal convenience is allowed to override the danger). The story is that mass disobedience was a catalyst to drop the red flag law. Do you know what a non-sequitur is? Something like trying to compare an e-scooter with a machete. Or like failing to see a valid comparison. They are motor-cycles, though perhaps, if the foot is used for propulsion part of the time, perhaps something more akin to the moped end of things. Simple. Create a new category instead of trying to fit them into an existing category. It's only words. You'd be content to be run over by one on a footway, seriously and disablingly injured and then to learn that the "driver" wasn't insured, would you? It's not inevitable. It isn't inevitable that you or I will be run over by a drunken driver at 23:45 tonight, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to drive whilst drunk or that we should be content with such a person driving in that condition. Does it? Yeah, right. Do you expect to be believed? Seriously? I can easily believe that you are frightened of spiders. Data? |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On 07/10/2020 22:02, JNugent wrote:
On 03/10/2020 11:36, TMS320 wrote: On 03/10/2020 00:21, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 20:09, TMS320 wrote: On 02/10/2020 16:05, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 11:15, colwyn wrote: Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! As I understand it, currently, all public use of these machines (whatever name is finally chosen for them) is illegal and anti-social. People are using them so it might be better to accept them. And one could say the same of machetes around the London bridge area, I suppose? A machete is not a form of transport. But people *do* use them so (according to your "logic"), it might be better to accept them. Did you ever go to B&Q when they were trading illegally on Sundays? Scooters replace an existing dangerous and extremely anti-social form of transport. That's no way to describe walking. It's about right for footway cycling, though, as I know you will agree. Well, waving a machete around might be more practical than an e-escooter for clearing a path through the pedestrians on Oxford Street. But in most places, that is what a car is for. Or perhaps not. There is precedence for allowing anti-social vehicles to use the streets - motor vehicles. On top of being anti-social they also happen to be very dangerous (though as we know, personal convenience is allowed to override the danger). The story is that mass disobedience was a catalyst to drop the red flag law. Do you know what a non-sequitur is? Something like trying to compare an e-scooter with a machete. Or like failing to see a valid comparison. You're certainly good at making those. They are motor-cycles, though perhaps, if the foot is used for propulsion part of the time, perhaps something more akin to the moped end of things. Simple. Create a new category instead of trying to fit them into an existing category. It's only words. You'd be content to be run over by one on a footway, seriously and disablingly injured and then to learn that the "driver" wasn't insured, would you? It's not inevitable. It isn't inevitable that you or I will be run over by a drunken driver at 23:45 tonight, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to drive whilst drunk or that we should be content with such a person driving in that condition. Does it? Do you know what a non-sequitur is? Yeah, right. Do you expect to be believed? Seriously? I can easily believe that you are frightened of spiders. Data? It's a logical step. |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On Saturday, 3 October 2020 at 00:19:32 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
Do you know what a non-sequitur is? https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2020/10/08 |
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Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution
On 08/10/2020 08:57, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/10/2020 22:02, JNugent wrote: On 03/10/2020 11:36, TMS320 wrote: On 03/10/2020 00:21, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 20:09, TMS320 wrote: On 02/10/2020 16:05, JNugent wrote: On 02/10/2020 11:15, colwyn wrote: Politicians get behind the e-scooter revolution writes Graeme Paton Transport Correspondent in the printed edition of The Times today! Electric scooters should be fully legalised in Britain and enforcement measures brought in to combat antisocial use, according to MPs……………………… see page 4 of today's edition for more! Now, here is something for diehards to contemplate! As I understand it, currently, all public use of these machines (whatever name is finally chosen for them) is illegal and anti-social. People are using them so it might be better to accept them. And one could say the same of machetes around the London bridge area, I suppose? A machete is not a form of transport. But people *do* use them so (according to your "logic"), it might be better to accept them. Did you ever go to B&Q when they were trading illegally on Sundays? When was that? Scooters replace an existing dangerous and extremely anti-social form of transport. That's no way to describe walking. It's about right for footway cycling, though, as I know you will agree. Well, waving a machete around might be more practical than an e-escooter for clearing a path through the pedestrians on Oxford Street. But in most places, that is what a car is for. Or perhaps not. There is precedence for allowing anti-social vehicles to use the streets - motor vehicles. On top of being anti-social they also happen to be very dangerous (though as we know, personal convenience is allowed to override the danger). The story is that mass disobedience was a catalyst to drop the red flag law. Do you know what a non-sequitur is? Something like trying to compare an e-scooter with a machete. Or like failing to see a valid comparison. You're certainly good at making those. I know. They are motor-cycles, though perhaps, if the foot is used for propulsion part of the time, perhaps something more akin to the moped end of things. Simple. Create a new category instead of trying to fit them into an existing category. It's only words. You'd be content to be run over by one on a footway, seriously and disablingly injured and then to learn that the "driver" wasn't insured, would you? It's not inevitable. It isn't inevitable that you or I will be run over by a drunken driver at 23:45 tonight, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to drive whilst drunk or that we should be content with such a person driving in that condition. Does it? Do you know what a non-sequitur is? I do. You clearly don't (in that you imagine that the opposite is one). Yeah, right. Do you expect to be believed? Seriously? I can easily believe that you are frightened of spiders. Data? It's a logical step. Data? No? OK. |
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