Roof or towbar

On 17/09/2013 09:12, Peter Keller wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:58:17 +0100, Catrap wrote:

"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 17/09/2013 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:49:23 +0100, "Catrap"
wrote:



"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
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We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights of
motoring.

For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe, starting
in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on the banks of
the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later Passau. After
leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia, spending the
night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into Croatia where we
spent a week. The return trip was just as adventurous, through Italy
and over the St Bernard Pass into Switzerland, then back through
Germany (to avoid the French tolls), into Belgium and back to the UK
via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is the
glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion along
the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is the
exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up the St
Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our exploration of
the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.


Bertie, sounds wonderful, but I can assure you that it will be lost on
Catcrap.

How predictable. Briannob1861 demonstrating his hilarious infant school
humour.

Oh dear. So you are annoyed that someone actually had great fun and
pleasure while using a bicycle to get to wonderful places?
I suggest you do not try to make other people miserable just because you
are miserable.


I can't get anywhere I plan on my bike, though I do go to some wonderful
places. I intend to go somewhere far away and I find so much along the
way that I never get there. I never stick to my plans. I can decide to
turn right out of my front door and pack the maps for the journey, and I
will end up turning left! Last time I set off for Liverpool I spent most
of my day exploring Victorian remnants in Salford. Capital form of
transport. You should never have a clue where you are going to end up on
a leisure outing.

On 18/09/2013 14:12, Judith wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:45:28 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

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For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe, starting
in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on the banks
of the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later Passau. After
leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia, spending the
night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into Croatia where we
spent a week. The return trip was just as adventurous, through Italy
and over the St Bernard Pass into Switzerland, then back through
Germany (to avoid the French tolls), into Belgium and back to the UK
via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is
the glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion along
the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is the
exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up the
St Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our
exploration of the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along
the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.


fascinating


....said the transvestite troll.

On 17/09/2013 10:06, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
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We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

I'd use the roof, it's out of the way and won't obscure your rear view.
Don't know if it adds enough (anything?) to your fuel consumption to
worry about but at least when you go on a long trip and need to pull
over to get something quickly out of the boot, you don't have to bugger
around taking a bike off before you can open the tailgate. Plus it
doesn't add anything to your length, so you can reverse into parking
spaces etc. (You, not your wife, it's a new car). I've never used one
but I imagine it's also easier and quicker to attach and detach a
roof-carrier than a rear one, and they look kinder to the paintwork too.
Maybe it depends how often you're going to be carrying your bike.

I would worry about a roof rack on the motorway. God knows what might
happen if you were overtaken by a coach doing 70+ mph. Ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:27:25 +0100, Judith wrote:

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:18:41 +0100, brianrob1961 wrote:

On 18/09/2013 14:12, Judith wrote:

snip


fascinating


...said the transvestite troll.


Now, now "Brian" (may I call you that?) - please don't use such inappropriate
language.

Still - it is nice to know that I can always bring out the best in you.

On Wednesday, 18 September 2013 21:17:20 UTC+1, brianrob1961 wrote:
On 17/09/2013 09:12, Peter Keller wrote:

I can't get anywhere I plan on my bike, though I do go to some wonderful
places. I intend to go somewhere far away and I find so much along the
way that I never get there. I never stick to my plans. I can decide to
turn right out of my front door and pack the maps for the journey, and I
will end up turning left! Last time I set off for Liverpool I spent most
of my day exploring Victorian remnants in Salford. Capital form of
transport. You should never have a clue where you are going to end up on
a leisure outing.

Too true. Take food, tea, a gansy, a lock and a cape, and enjoy each moment of the ride. Oh it's that time of year to pack the lights too.

Like when I was a child, I find adventure within 10 minutes or an hour of my door. Feet warm, stick em in the pond. Feet cold, stick them in the cafe. Feet itching, I'll go see the world and I may feel my way until in a good place. I don't know what is behind the feeling, yet good things happen and good memories are formed when I follow it. It's something the *******s didn't manage to knock out of me.

I wonder whether it be my soul which is guiding, that of another or somethig else. Experiences have mostly been solitary but some peaceful place and time combinations have been found in busy public places in what in non-guided times have been thoroughly annoying. SOMETHING'S going on, and it's better than the telly.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:06:12 +0100, Catrap wrote:

"Peter Keller" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:41:17 +0100, Catrap wrote:

"Peter Keller" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:58:17 +0100, Catrap wrote:

"brianrob1961" wrote in message
...

On 17/09/2013 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:49:23 +0100, "Catrap"
wrote:



"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I
have managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is
better for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers
or towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights
of motoring.

For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe,
starting in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on
the banks of the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later
Passau. After leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia,
spending the night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into
Croatia where we spent a week. The return trip was just as
adventurous, through Italy and over the St Bernard Pass into
Switzerland, then back through Germany (to avoid the French tolls),
into Belgium and back to the UK via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is
the glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion
along the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is
the exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up
the St Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our
exploration of the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along
the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.


Bertie, sounds wonderful, but I can assure you that it will be lost on
Catcrap.

How predictable. Briannob1861 demonstrating his hilarious infant
school humour.

Oh dear. So you are annoyed that someone actually had great fun and
pleasure while using a bicycle to get to wonderful places?
I suggest you do not try to make other people miserable just because
you are miserable.

No, not annoyed. Not even the slightest bit bothered. How could anyone
be cross with such simple minded people?

So you want them to be unhappy simple-minded people? So you ARE
bothered and cross.
And besides, I am really ecstatically pleased and honoured to receive
the great accolade of being simple-minded from the carprat.
How about bestowing the further honours of being mind-numbing, arassive,
poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded,
puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good!

Please?

No, just boring, irrelevant and generally not worth reading. will that
do?

Thanks for reading.
And no it will not do. Especially for you.

"thirty-six" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 17 September 2013 21:34:19 UTC+1, John Benn wrote:
"John Benn" wrote in message

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"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message

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We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg

Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.



Why do you need a car? I had that bicycles were always a viable form
of

transport?



Sorry, "heard", not "had". My typing is as bad as Justin's.



Where is Justin anyway? He disappeared at the same time as Dave did.

have they "collided"?

Or eloped?

On 18/09/2013 23:10, Judith wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:27:25 +0100, Judith wrote:

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:18:41 +0100, brianrob1961 wrote:

On 18/09/2013 14:12, Judith wrote:

snip


fascinating


...said the transvestite troll.


Now, now "Brian" (may I call you that?) - please don't use such inappropriate
language.

Still - it is nice to know that I can always bring out the best in you.



....said the transvestite troll.

"brianrob1961" wrote in message
...

On 18/09/2013 23:10, Judith wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:27:25 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:18:41 +0100, brianrob1961
wrote:

On 18/09/2013 14:12, Judith wrote:

snip


fascinating


...said the transvestite troll.


Now, now "Brian" (may I call you that?) - please don't use such
inappropriate
language.

Still - it is nice to know that I can always bring out the best in you.



....said the transvestite troll.

Psycholists SOP. When losing an argument, always revert to insults.
Fortunately, the psycholist spared us the foul language this time.

On 20/09/2013 02:24, Catrap wrote:


"brianrob1961" wrote in message
...

On 18/09/2013 23:10, Judith wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:27:25 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:18:41 +0100, brianrob1961
wrote:

On 18/09/2013 14:12, Judith wrote:

snip


fascinating


...said the transvestite troll.


Now, now "Brian" (may I call you that?) - please don't use such
inappropriate
language.

Still - it is nice to know that I can always bring out the best in you.



...said the transvestite troll.

Psycholists SOP. When losing an argument, always revert to insults.
Fortunately, the psycholist spared us the foul language this time.

I'll put that right just for you, Catcrap. Go **** yourself.