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  #41  
Old May 20th 15, 06:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 18:41, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:10, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 16:28, Mrcheerful wrote:



I always try to anticipate, but it's not always possible to anticipate
car doors suddenly opening. If you cycled, you'd know what I mean.


If you cannot anticipate that the driver's door is likely to open soon
after a car has pulled up, then perhaps you should not be using the
roads.

A safe speed and machine coupled with a suitable distance from the car
would mean that cyclist would likely still be alive.


So tell me how you stay a doors width away from parked cars when you're
driving your car and the road is just not wide enough without going over
the white centre line?


So tell me how so few car doors ever get hit by other cars?



In any case a broken centre line may be crossed as needed.
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  #42  
Old May 20th 15, 06:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its
condition, fell off and died. Viable transport?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908





The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody on or
near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times.

Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car door
opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of, and it
happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close.

I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better than
the poor sod in your link though.


As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an observant
road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the very
likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road
increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the
cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater care
than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while going
past a recently stopped car.

You're STILL siding with the driver.
She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror
before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver.
There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have
happened if she'd looked properly.
She was found guilty, end of story.


Not only did he fail to use anticipation and observation skills, he was
riding a dangerous vehicle;


"John Gore, an authorised vehicle examiner, agreed he could not find any
marks or defects on Mrs Jackson’s vehicle that could have contributed or
caused the collision.

He did however say the bike Mr Hamilton was riding, made in the early
1970s, was not well maintained as the tyre tread was worn so much you
could see the inner fabric and the brakes did not work well."

Clear evidence that cyclists should have to take a test and subject push
bikes to MOT tests. A car driver at 76 would have to re take his test.


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  #43  
Old May 20th 15, 06:51 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 18:01, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:54, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:37, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door
opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and
its
condition, fell off and died. Viable transport?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908









The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody
on or
near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times.

Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car
door
opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of,
and it
happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close.

I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better
than
the poor sod in your link though.


As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an
observant
road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the
very
likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road
increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the
cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater
care
than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while
going
past a recently stopped car.

You're STILL siding with the driver.
She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror
before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver.
There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have
happened if she'd looked properly.
She was found guilty, end of story.



Most collisions occur when more than one road user makes a mistake,
just
as in this case.

*She* was the *only* one found guilty.



Not so, the cyclist was found to be guilty of riding an unroadworthy
machine, he was not dealt with by the courts for a simple reason, can
you guess what it was?

He remained silent when questioned? ;-)


Not even a "no comment".



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  #44  
Old May 20th 15, 06:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 18:37, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:33, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 10:44, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door
opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and
its
condition, fell off and died. Viable transport?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908






Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a
careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died
but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid
this accident.”

How about looking before opening her door?
She *obviously* caused the accident by her
carelessness.

Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a
quick glance in a mirror.
The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and
would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he
failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the
possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition
that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the
obvious obstacle.

"a quick glance"!?
Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors.
She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident
would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door?
She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death.
How you can side with her is beyond me.


Because the cyclist, yet again, failed to use observation and
anticipation skills.

To paraphrase M'Lud;

I hope the personal liability section of the cyclists household contents
insurance is able to adequately compensate the motorist for any damage
to his property and injuries caused by the cyclists stupidity.




Happily the woman's car suffered no damage on this occasion as it seems
the cyclist did not collide with the door, he fell off anyway (maybe
hoping for compo.?) and banged his unprotected head on the ground,
resulting in his death.

So the woman was doing nothing wrong in carelessly opening her door
without looking properly.
Ok, I get your drift. You will always blame a cyclist, simply because
you hate them.
  #45  
Old May 20th 15, 07:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 18:44, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:41, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:10, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 16:28, Mrcheerful wrote:



I always try to anticipate, but it's not always possible to anticipate
car doors suddenly opening. If you cycled, you'd know what I mean.


If you cannot anticipate that the driver's door is likely to open soon
after a car has pulled up, then perhaps you should not be using the
roads.

A safe speed and machine coupled with a suitable distance from the car
would mean that cyclist would likely still be alive.


So tell me how you stay a doors width away from parked cars when you're
driving your car and the road is just not wide enough without going over
the white centre line?


So tell me how so few car doors ever get hit by other cars?



In any case a broken centre line may be crossed as needed.

Even when there are cars on the other side of the road, which is most of
the time in or near towns mostly.
  #46  
Old May 20th 15, 07:02 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 18:51, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:01, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:54, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:37, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door
opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine
and
its
condition, fell off and died. Viable transport?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908










The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody
on or
near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times.

Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car
door
opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of,
and it
happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close.

I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better
than
the poor sod in your link though.


As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an
observant
road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the
very
likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road
increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the
cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater
care
than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while
going
past a recently stopped car.

You're STILL siding with the driver.
She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror
before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver.
There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have
happened if she'd looked properly.
She was found guilty, end of story.



Most collisions occur when more than one road user makes a mistake,
just
as in this case.

*She* was the *only* one found guilty.


Not so, the cyclist was found to be guilty of riding an unroadworthy
machine, he was not dealt with by the courts for a simple reason, can
you guess what it was?

He remained silent when questioned? ;-)


Not even a "no comment".



The questioning didn't move him.
  #47  
Old May 20th 15, 07:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 18:55, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:37, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:33, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 10:44, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door
opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and
its
condition, fell off and died. Viable transport?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908







Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a
careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died
but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid
this accident.”

How about looking before opening her door?
She *obviously* caused the accident by her
carelessness.

Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a
quick glance in a mirror.
The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and
would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he
failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the
possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition
that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the
obvious obstacle.

"a quick glance"!?
Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors.
She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident
would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door?
She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death.
How you can side with her is beyond me.

Because the cyclist, yet again, failed to use observation and
anticipation skills.

To paraphrase M'Lud;

I hope the personal liability section of the cyclists household contents
insurance is able to adequately compensate the motorist for any damage
to his property and injuries caused by the cyclists stupidity.




Happily the woman's car suffered no damage on this occasion as it seems
the cyclist did not collide with the door, he fell off anyway (maybe
hoping for compo.?) and banged his unprotected head on the ground,
resulting in his death.

So the woman was doing nothing wrong in carelessly opening her door
without looking properly.
Ok, I get your drift. You will always blame a cyclist, simply because
you hate them.


You are as skewed in your thinking as Doug. The woman did not take
sufficient care (allegedly) and NEITHER did the cyclist (provably)
  #48  
Old May 20th 15, 07:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On 20/05/2015 19:01, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:44, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:41, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:10, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 16:28, Mrcheerful wrote:


I always try to anticipate, but it's not always possible to
anticipate
car doors suddenly opening. If you cycled, you'd know what I mean.


If you cannot anticipate that the driver's door is likely to open soon
after a car has pulled up, then perhaps you should not be using the
roads.

A safe speed and machine coupled with a suitable distance from the car
would mean that cyclist would likely still be alive.


So tell me how you stay a doors width away from parked cars when you're
driving your car and the road is just not wide enough without going
over
the white centre line?

So tell me how so few car doors ever get hit by other cars?



In any case a broken centre line may be crossed as needed.

Even when there are cars on the other side of the road, which is most of
the time in or near towns mostly.


If safe to do so without causing other vehicles to brake or deviate, yes.
  #49  
Old May 20th 15, 07:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mr Pounder Esquire
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.


"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and
its
condition, fell off and died. Viable transport?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908





The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody on or
near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times.

Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car
door
opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of, and it
happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close.

I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better than
the poor sod in your link though.


As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an observant
road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the very
likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road
increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the
cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater care
than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while going
past a recently stopped car.

You're STILL siding with the driver.
She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror
before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver.
There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have
happened if she'd looked properly.
She was found guilty, end of story.


Not only did he fail to use anticipation and observation skills, he was
riding a dangerous vehicle;


"John Gore, an authorised vehicle examiner, agreed he could not find any
marks or defects on Mrs Jackson’s vehicle that could have contributed or
caused the collision.

He did however say the bike Mr Hamilton was riding, made in the early
1970s, was not well maintained as the tyre tread was worn so much you
could see the inner fabric and the brakes did not work well."

Clear evidence that cyclists should have to take a test and subject push
bikes to MOT tests. A car driver at 76 would have to re take his test.


You beat me to that.
He obviously over reacted and the dangerous tyre and defective brakes
contributed to him falling off his bicycle.
Him being 76 did not help.


  #50  
Old May 21st 15, 01:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ian Smith
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Default Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.

On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:47:21 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its
condition, fell off and died. Viable transport?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908


Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a
careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist
died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different
to avoid this accident.”


A 'careful and competent driver' who nevertheless couldn't manage to
park outside her house without hitting a wheely-bin.

How about looking before opening her door?
She *obviously* caused the accident by her
carelessness.


Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss
with a quick glance in a mirror.


He wasn't riding a recumbent.

It appears that you are assuming that because he is pictured with a
recumbent that is what he was riding. The article has descriptive
text about the bike he was riding, and it doesn't match that recumbent
(or, indeed, any recumbent).

Further, the pictured recumbent is a short wheel-base bike. The
rider's eyeline is rather higher than that of many car drivers (most,
if you exclude 4x4s).

So, unless you count most of the cars on the road as being "low to the
ground and easy to miss", even if he were riding he bike that you're
wrongly assuming, your comment would still be wrong.

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