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You don't need an expensive bike helmet to ride safely---BHSI Lab Tests Finds no difference between expensive and cheap helmets.
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, Jay Beattie wrote: I wore my helmet gardening today -- I aerated the front lawn yesterday, and those cores were all over the place, so after I rode home from work tonight, I parked my bike in the garage, pulled out the leaf blower and cleared the walk. I didn't want the cores turning in to mud on the walk when it started to rain. I did this while wearing my tights, cleats and helmet. It struck me after finishing up that I was endorsing gardening helmets. I'm sorry. No reason to apologize. Gardening safety is every bit as important as bicycle safety. There are tree branches, acorns, shovels and pickaxes. It's scary out there and better safe than sorry. |
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You don't need an expensive bike helmet to ride safely---BHSI LabTests Finds no difference between expensive and cheap helmets.
On Apr 13, 12:39*am, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article , *Jay Beattie wrote: *It struck me after finishing up that I was endorsing gardening helmets. I'm sorry. No reason to apologize. *Gardening safety is every bit as important as bicycle safety. *There are tree branches, acorns, shovels and pickaxes. * It's scary out there and better safe than sorry. Oddly enough - and a true story - last fall I was mowing the lawn when I suddenly found myself surrounded by tree branches. Turns out a large limb had broken off our big Siberian elm. When it fell, its branches surrounded me but missed me. The thickest section, about 4" diameter, fell within about a foot of two of my head. - Frank Krygowski |
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You don't need an expensive bike helmet to ride safely---BHSILab Tests Finds no difference between expensive and cheap helmets.
Jay Beattie wrote:
On Apr 12, 6:36 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Apr 12, 2:04 pm, Jay Beattie wrote: What makes his reality the alternate one? Every statistic is promoted by a party with an agenda. Jay, there is an underlying reality in life. When agendas conflict, that doesn't mean neither side is correct. If one person claims that every study has shown helmet benefit, while another person gives citations and links to studies that show NO helmet benefit, it should be clear which side is truthful. None of the statistics have proven true in my town, where helmet use and ridership are up and injury rates are down. I don't think any of these numbers are connected, however. You must understand that you live in a very unusual town! But our issues here are not "can bicycle use and helmet use both increase?" nor "is it possible for injury rates to drop?" What we - or at least, I - am trying to discuss are these questions: 1) Does ordinary bicycling carry such a severe risk of serious head injury that head protection is highly desirable? 2) Do current bike helmets cause significant reductions in the per- rider rate of serious head injury? 3) Does promotion and/or mandating of bike helmets tend to dissuade people from cycling? 4) Is such promotion and/or mandating a net positive, or a net negative for cyclists and for society? My answers, based on over a decade of study, reading and discussing, are very firm: 1) Not even close 2) Not even close 3) Almost certainly 4) A net negative. Some of those bad effects can be overcome. As one draconian example, if automobiles were made illegal at the same time bike helmets were mandated, you'd see a big rise in bike use despite the helmets. But in a realistic world, scaring people with exaggerated head injury tales has to dissuade _some_ people. So does mandating helmets. And yes, despite Scharf's absurd claims, there is plenty of evidence of that. I think it's not reasonably contestable. However, I was watching the UCI World Cyclocross Championships last night. I would not ride that course without a helmet (snow, ice, 150 degree corners with metal barriers all over the place). That is head whackage waiting to happen. 8oz of foam will help -- at least with preventing scalp injury and skull fracture on some obstacle. FWIW, I've never claimed helmets have ZERO protective capability. While I no longer wear one even riding in snow, or for the gentle mountain biking to which I now restrict myself, I do believe that their very limited protective capability is a good fit for those activities. (Their necessity is another matter.) Likewise, if I were to enter a crit race, I'd wear a helmet even if it weren't required. Amateur racers (at least in America) are notorious for mistakes and crashes, so the odds of a significant head impact are enormously greater than for ordinary riding. And again, those crashes are far more likely to be within the tiny capacity of a bike helmet. Not that they always work, of course. Seehttp://members.shaw.ca/jtubman/deadhelmet.html Helmets have some protective capacity, just as egg cartons do.* But any dispassionate examination of the certification tests should show how limited that capacity is. And any dispassionate examination of head injury or fatality stats in America will show that cycling is off the radar for risk. (Once, when acting as an expert witness in a machine design case, I was asked "But wouldn't the weld have had _some_ strength, even though it was mostly machined away?" It struck me as a question that was either extremely naive, or - more likely - indicative of strong bias. If a design is nowhere close to required strength, it's nonsense to talk about it still having "some" strength.) I wore my helmet gardening today -- I aerated the front lawn yesterday, and those cores were all over the place, so after I rode home from work tonight, I parked my bike in the garage, pulled out the leaf blower and cleared the walk. I didn't want the cores turning in to mud on the walk when it started to rain. I did this while wearing my tights, cleats and helmet. It struck me after finishing up that I was endorsing gardening helmets. I'm sorry. -- Jay Beattie. Where's the youtube link? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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You don't need an expensive bike helmet to ride safely---BHSI LabTests Finds no difference between expensive and cheap helmets.
On Apr 12, 6:58 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Apr 12, 5:00 pm, SMS wrote: Hold on there, please don't imply that there is _anywhere_ where helmets have resulted in lower ridership and higher injury rates. There is zero evidence of this having happened _anywhere_. The evidence has been cited so many times that we must call that a lie. Seehttp://www.ctcyorkshirehumber.org.uk/campaigns/velo.htmfor some discussion of this. It's far from the only reference that's been cited, but it's the easiest to link. Read the information under "Bicycle Helmet Legislation." "... Australia and New Zealand... " Hmmm... "The Holy Bible provides an early example of allowing for personal choice with David choosing not to wear either a helmet or armour when fighting Goliath. In that case Goliath's helmet failed to protect." WT... ! |
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You don't need an expensive bike helmet to ride safely---BHSILab Tests Finds no difference between expensive and cheap helmets.
On 12/04/10 8:29 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
butbutbut, bicycle foam hats prevent 70% of leg injuries! Fact #20. "http://sites.google.com/site/bicyclehelmetmythsandfacts/" I've simplified the helmet wars greatly for everyone. Now you can just post the number of myth or the number of the corresponding fact, without having to do all that typing every time. |
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You don't need an expensive bike helmet to ride safely---BHSI Lab Tests Finds no difference between expensive and cheap helmets.
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SMS wrote: On 12/04/10 8:29 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote: butbutbut, bicycle foam hats prevent 70% of leg injuries! Fact #20. "http://sites.google.com/site/bicyclehelmetmythsandfacts/" I've simplified the helmet wars greatly for everyone. Now you can just post the number of myth or the number of the corresponding fact, without having to do all that typing every time. Say rather "the number of the truthinesses." |
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