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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has
single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle, the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I think consistency is a good idea. Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking performance to do one or the other? Thanks. Joe LoBuglio |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
Joe LoBuglio wrote:
For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle, the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I think consistency is a good idea. Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking performance to do one or the other? Either way works (front right is the convention in the UK anyway, and we use the same brakes as anyone else - although our front V brakes come with a 130 degree noodle to give a gentler curve). |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
Quoth Joe LoBuglio:
For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle, the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I think consistency is a good idea. It most certainly is. I once nearly crashed on a recently purchased used bike when I accidentally applied the rear brake, and was only barely able to stop in time to avoid cross traffic. Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking performance to do one or the other? Generally, most folks run the front brake on the left in countries where they drive on the right, and on the right in countries where they drive on the left.* Japan and Great Britain drive on the left, so traditionally Japanese and British brake calipers used to be set up that way. The British don't make stuff anyore, and the Japanese have yielded to the demands of the world market, so most calipers in current production have the opposit "handedness" of your older Japanese ones. *Many of us consider this custom to be an error, and use the opposite setup. See: http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn for a detailed discussion of this issue. Sheldon "Right Front" Brown +---------------------------------------------------+ | If you oppose making marriage legally available | | to all adults, you are promoting promiscuity. | +---------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
Hello,
I've seen a lot of Italian racers e.g. Francesco Moser, Moreno Argentin, and Fausto Coppi who had the right front setup. The guy who set up my first race bike, a Torpado, set it up right front for this reason. The guy who set up the bike said was told this was safer if you had your hand off the bar to drink some water and you had to panic brake for some kind of emergency, you'd be less likely to take out other riders since you'd lock up the back brake. However I'd rather be able to grab the front brake, If I could only use one. At any rate this was pretty early in my serious cycling phase and I got used to it and couldn't change back easily (I tried after riding right front for six months or so). I do like having my dominant hand on the front brake since it's the one that does most of the stopping. Since my bike was set up "different" than most guys in the US, I noticed which riders had left front and which had right front. It was easier to tell in the days of non-aero levers. Riding bicycles right front helped me when I got interested in motorcycles about ten years after I started racing bicycles. By the way, Sean Kelly and Stephen Roche both had left front brakes. (Don't they drive on the left in Ireland?) I read in an interview that Davis Finney set up his bike as right front for some goofy reason, I can't remember for sure, but I think it was because the kid in "Breaking Away" had his Masi set up that way. -Eric Sheldon Brown wrote: Quoth Joe LoBuglio: For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle, the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I think consistency is a good idea. It most certainly is. I once nearly crashed on a recently purchased used bike when I accidentally applied the rear brake, and was only barely able to stop in time to avoid cross traffic. Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking performance to do one or the other? Generally, most folks run the front brake on the left in countries where they drive on the right, and on the right in countries where they drive on the left.* Japan and Great Britain drive on the left, so traditionally Japanese and British brake calipers used to be set up that way. The British don't make stuff anyore, and the Japanese have yielded to the demands of the world market, so most calipers in current production have the opposit "handedness" of your older Japanese ones. *Many of us consider this custom to be an error, and use the opposite setup. See: http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn for a detailed discussion of this issue. Sheldon "Right Front" Brown +---------------------------------------------------+ | If you oppose making marriage legally available | | to all adults, you are promoting promiscuity. | +---------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
E Goforth wrote:
By the way, Sean Kelly and Stephen Roche both had left front brakes. (Don't they drive on the left in Ireland?) Yeah but how much time did they spend in Ireland? ;-) ............... Regarding "cable pull side": Doesn't seem to matter on *large* frames (and high stems) when the cable curvature is gentle enough to deal with the cable coming from the "wrong" side. Campag brakes haven't been a problem for me here in the UK. For those who want the cable coming from the left, and deep drop as well, check out Alhonga dual-pivot calipers. ~PB |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:06:38 -0800, Joe LoBuglio wrote:
I recall that the Weinmann 500 brakes I used at one time had the cable on that side; I was still able to use left-front brake lever. I think it is a bad idea to not have all your bikes have the front brake on the same side, whichever side you prefer. In a panic, you will not think through which bike you are riding, you will simply grab the lever. Don't grab the wrong one. Get a new cable sheath, and cable. -- David L. Johnson __o | "It doesn't get any easier, you just go faster." --Greg LeMond _`\(,_ | (_)/ (_) | |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
Joe LoBuglio wrote: For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle, the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I think consistency is a good idea. Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking performance to do one or the other? Thanks. Joe LoBuglio You shpuld always use both brakes with the understanding that the front sstops you better than the rear, but use both. Right side to front often was used in the peloton because -left handed braking when getting a musette -left handed braking when shifting the rear der with your right hand and not going over tha handlebars. Also left-rear fr those that cross race as getting off the bike, you don't want to flip the bike over BUT, route the brakes like your other bicycles, with a wee b\it more housing and new inner wire. Having the housing going from the left to the left side of the caliper is no big deal. |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
Joe LoBuglio wrote:
For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle, the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I think consistency is a good idea. Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking performance to do one or the other? Not only is there no functional difference, some makers (DIaCompe, Weinmann) switched sides across models. Set it up as you wish, there's no problem either way. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
Sheldon Brown wrote:
The British don't make stuff anyore Fighting talk ;-) Royce, Hope, Goldtec, Pace, Brooks plus any number of framebuilders would disagree (but OK, none of them make brakes). |
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Side pull brakes: non-driveside cable pull
A Muzi wrote: Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking performance to do one or the other? Not only is there no functional difference, some makers (DIaCompe, Weinmann) switched sides across models. Set it up as you wish, there's no problem either way. Yup. 'Way back when, we had Dia Compe "G" and Dia Compe "Gran Compe" brakesets in the display case. The G's had the arm on the right, the Gran Compes had the arm on the left. No huge difference, except that the Gran Compes had beefier arms. This was before the original Suntour Superbes: http://www.yellowjersey.org/sup_brk.html Jeff |
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