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Drivers with 12 or more points still on the road
On Mar 3, 10:21*am, JNugent wrote:
On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Motorist can kill cyclists but cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision. So which do you think is the most dangerous and most that need to be restricted by law? Unfortunately the punishments for dangerous motorists are still derisory, as this thread indicates. -- . A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill. |
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On 08/03/2012 06:57, Doug wrote:
On Mar 3, 10:21 am, wrote: On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Who was talking about killers, best, worst, or otherwise? The proposition was that there is "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", and cyclists are the most pre-eminent perpetrators of road traffic offences, with large parts of their journeys in towns and cities being one long traffic offence and the ored traffic light offence being committed whenever a red light is encountered. Only a small proportion of them seem even to know the difference between lawful and illegal behaviour on the road. So, if there *is* "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", the worst criminals on the road must be cyclists. The upshot of the results of the research is that one should trust a cyclist only sparingly, on principle. Of course, the alternative is that the research and the results were a load of nonsense. I'll let you decide on that. |
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On Mar 8, 6:57*am, Doug wrote:
Motorist can kill cyclists but cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision. So which do you think is the most dangerous and most that need to be restricted by law? Unfortunately the punishments for dangerous motorists are still derisory, as this thread indicates. We will have to wait and see what sentence this attacker who used their car as a weapon will get first, before we can judge if it is derisory or not. http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Ro...ail/story.html -- Simon Mason |
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On 08/03/2012 04:40, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 5, 9:06 am, (Steve Firth) wrote: Simon wrote: What a bloody disgrace - there is no excuse at all for a git on 30 points to still be on the road at all. I agree, there's no place on the road for aggressive, stupid road users. Fortunately someone has taken it upon themself to document the actions of stupid road users for posterity. Just look at this idiot as he careers up the road aggressively trying to force oncoming traffic to yield to him and then terrorises pedestrians crossing the road, failing to give way to pedestrians as he turns right. The "man" who took these videos is a disgrace. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/satjam.mp4 Jealous at the ease in which I can totally avoid traffic jams, Stevie boy? :-) He was probably jealous of the mullet haircut & the Joe 90 video glasses. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster University |
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On Mar 5, 9:06*am, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Simon Mason wrote: What a bloody disgrace - there is no excuse at all for a git on 30 points to still be on the road at all. I agree, there's no place on the road for aggressive, stupid road users. Fortunately someone has taken it upon themself to document the actions of stupid road users for posterity. Just look at this idiot as he careers up the road aggressively trying to force oncoming traffic to yield to him and then terrorises pedestrians crossing the road, failing to give way to pedestrians as he turns right. The "man" who took these videos is a disgrace. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/satjam.mp4 How do you like my latest effort? http://www.swldxer.co.uk/roadworks.wmv -- Simon Mason |
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Cyclists with 12 or more pints still on the road
On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
ALL ROAD USERS BEWARE! Especially those in Hull. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster University |
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On Mar 8, 8:08*am, JNugent wrote:
On 08/03/2012 06:57, Doug wrote: On Mar 3, 10:21 am, *wrote: On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Who was talking about killers, best, worst, or otherwise? The proposition was that there is "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", and cyclists are the most pre-eminent perpetrators of road traffic offences, with large parts of their journeys in towns and cities being one long traffic offence and the ored traffic light offence being committed whenever a red light is encountered. Only a small proportion of them seem even to know the difference between lawful and illegal behaviour on the road. So, if there *is* "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", the worst criminals on the road must be cyclists. The upshot of the results of the research is that one should trust a cyclist only sparingly, on principle. Of course, the alternative is that the research and the results were a load of nonsense. I'll let you decide on that. Where you are going wrong here, as usual, is that the seriousness of a crime and criminality is usually judged by its effect. Motorists can KSI many more people during collisions than cyclists can so clearly motorists are the worst potential criminals. Note also that cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by motorists during a collision. Add to that... -- . A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill. |
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On 09/03/2012 07:37, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 8:08 am, wrote: On 08/03/2012 06:57, Doug wrote: On Mar 3, 10:21 am, wrote: On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Who was talking about killers, best, worst, or otherwise? The proposition was that there is "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", and cyclists are the most pre-eminent perpetrators of road traffic offences, with large parts of their journeys in towns and cities being one long traffic offence and the ored traffic light offence being committed whenever a red light is encountered. Only a small proportion of them seem even to know the difference between lawful and illegal behaviour on the road. So, if there *is* "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", the worst criminals on the road must be cyclists. The upshot of the results of the research is that one should trust a cyclist only sparingly, on principle. Of course, the alternative is that the research and the results were a load of nonsense. I'll let you decide on that. Where you are going wrong here, as usual, is that the seriousness of a crime and criminality is usually judged by its effect. Motorists can KSI many more people during collisions than cyclists can so clearly motorists are the worst potential criminals. Note also that cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by motorists during a collision. Where *you* are going wrong is by completely missing the point implicit within the proposition that "Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour". *If* that is so, cyclists, undoubtedly being the most prolific offenders against road traffic law, *must* be the worst criminals. That is *all* that is it can mean. There is no other credible construction of it. That's if it's correct, of course. |
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On Mar 9, 7:37*am, Doug wrote:
Where you are going wrong here, as usual, is that the seriousness of a crime and criminality is usually judged by its effect. Motorists can KSI many more people during collisions than cyclists can so clearly motorists are the worst potential criminals. Note also that cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by motorists during a collision. Sigh - killfile him, Doug. Numpty Nugent is just a tedious troll. Thanks god I don't read his crap anymore. -- Simon Mason |
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 02:56:41 -0800 (PST)
Simon Mason wrote: On Mar 9, 7:37=A0am, Doug wrote: Where you are going wrong here, as usual, is that the seriousness of a crime and criminality is usually judged by its effect. Motorists can KSI many more people during collisions than cyclists can so clearly motorists are the worst potential criminals. Note also that cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by motorists during a collision. Sigh - killfile him, Doug. Numpty Nugent is just a tedious troll. Thanks god I don't read his crap anymore. Of course your definition of troll is someone who you always loose arguments to. As for Doug - the man is willfully stupid as witnessed by his assinine comments above. A cylist could easily kill a car driver if the cyclist suddenly swerved and by trying to avoid him the car driver lost control or had a head on. Naturally Dopey Doug will argue from his fantasy world that the car driver should have anticipated some random act of stupidity from the pedalophile etc etc and the argument goes around in circles. B2003 |
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