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On Jul 30, 11:59*pm, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote:
But perhaps no charges will be brought in the end, after all they've had a useful educational experience and their DNA etc is now on record to deter future misconduct. * It's a win-win scenario for the Babylon (and a terrible own goal by the fanatics who tried to disrupt our Olympic opening ceremony). Why is their DNA held, I understood the DNA of those arrested but not convicted or proceeded against would be removed from the database? I hope this an automatic process or is it something the arrested person has to instigate himself? |
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On 31/07/2012 10:35, NM wrote:
On Jul 30, 11:59 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: But perhaps no charges will be brought in the end, after all they've had a useful educational experience and their DNA etc is now on record to deter future misconduct. It's a win-win scenario for the Babylon (and a terrible own goal by the fanatics who tried to disrupt our Olympic opening ceremony). Why is their DNA held, I understood the DNA of those arrested but not convicted or proceeded against would be removed from the database? Whether that applies to the persons in question has yet to be seen. |
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On Monday, July 30, 2012 6:24:41 PM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
Phil W Lee wrote: "Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:13:47 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:07:37 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message ... As he had no /reasonable/ belief that the procession would cause any trouble, the order was unlawful. Unfortunately it is the senior police officer's opinion which is pertinent here, not yours. Ah yes, never let the facts get in the way when you want to persecute someone. If a senior police officer had the opinion that David Cameron was a terrorist plant, would he make an armed raid on number 10 in the small hours of the morning? Without any grounds for the belief, it is not reasonable. The accused persons will have the opportunity to make a defence on that basis. The Met will set out the scale of the event they were tasked to protect, the scale of threat to that event, and the disruption already being suffered by the local community. They will present their assessment of the risks presented by an uncontrolled mob invasion of unknown protestors with diverse motives. The court will then decide whether the police commander had any reasonable basis for concern. I think it is inevitable and right that they will find for the Police on this point, but we'll have to wait and see. The police have apparently realised that they can't make any justification for nearly all the arrests, and have released them without charge. The only ones they've charged are those against whom they have some OTHER charge. So all the disruption and nearly all the arrests were, by the polices own admission, unfounded. I hope the IPCC will investigate the senior officer concerned, with a view to prosecution for his instigation of this vendetta. I hope he gets a commendation for lessening the nuisance the cyclists attempted to cause, it would be great if this (arresting and charging of troublemakers) could happen every time cyclorabble get on the streets to try and disrupt other people's lives. The major disruption in this case was caused by the police blocking off roads in an attempt to stop CM and merely because CM participants had decided not to obey the stupid conditions imposed on them by the police, such as not to go north of the river. BTW, this is a good example of how the police are allowed to create crimes as they go along and criminalise people extra-judicially, on the basis of "Do as we say or else!" -- . One person's managed democracy is another person's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:58:27 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote: the police are allowed to create crimes as they go along This really is a problem. How can the police be allowed to create the crime of "Cycling northbound over a London bridge", and then punish an infringement by detaining overnight and withholding the primary means of transport home. It leaves the police acting as lawmaker, prosecutor, judge, jury, prison guard and "executioner". |
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"Doug" wrote in message
... The major disruption in this case was caused by the police blocking off roads in an attempt to stop CM and merely because CM participants had decided not to obey the stupid conditions imposed on them by the police, such as not to go north of the river. BTW, this is a good example of how the police are allowed to create crimes as they go along and criminalise people extra-judicially, on the basis of "Do as we say or else!" Ha ha ha ha |
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On 01/08/2012 08:07, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:58:27 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: the police are allowed to create crimes as they go along This really is a problem. No it isn't. Don't break the law. How can the police be allowed to create the crime of "Cycling northbound over a London bridge", and then punish an infringement by detaining overnight and withholding the primary means of transport home. Usual nonsense. The crime already exists under the Public Order Act 1986. It leaves the police acting as lawmaker, prosecutor, judge, jury, prison guard and "executioner". ********. Public Order Act, Section 14 - Imposing conditions on public assemblies; provides police the power to impose conditions on assemblies "to prevent serious public disorder, serious criminal damage or serious disruption to the life of the community". The conditions are limited to the specifying of: the number of people who may take part, the location of the assembly, and its maximum duration. Should be clear enough even to a primary school teacher. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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On 01/08/2012 08:07, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:58:27 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: the police are allowed to create crimes as they go along This really is a problem. How can the police be allowed to create the crime of "Cycling northbound over a London bridge", and then punish an infringement by detaining overnight and withholding the primary means of transport home. Do you know what the words "travesty", "misrepresentation" and "deceit" mean? It leaves the police acting as lawmaker, prosecutor, judge, jury, prison guard and "executioner". You'd no doubt prefer it if all of the people holding those offices were kept on hand all night, with the punishment handed out to Critical Mess terrorists being supplemented by significant imposts for costs. |
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Doug wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 6:24:41 PM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: Phil W Lee wrote: "Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:13:47 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:07:37 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message ... As he had no /reasonable/ belief that the procession would cause any trouble, the order was unlawful. Unfortunately it is the senior police officer's opinion which is pertinent here, not yours. Ah yes, never let the facts get in the way when you want to persecute someone. If a senior police officer had the opinion that David Cameron was a terrorist plant, would he make an armed raid on number 10 in the small hours of the morning? Without any grounds for the belief, it is not reasonable. The accused persons will have the opportunity to make a defence on that basis. The Met will set out the scale of the event they were tasked to protect, the scale of threat to that event, and the disruption already being suffered by the local community. They will present their assessment of the risks presented by an uncontrolled mob invasion of unknown protestors with diverse motives. The court will then decide whether the police commander had any reasonable basis for concern. I think it is inevitable and right that they will find for the Police on this point, but we'll have to wait and see. The police have apparently realised that they can't make any justification for nearly all the arrests, and have released them without charge. The only ones they've charged are those against whom they have some OTHER charge. So all the disruption and nearly all the arrests were, by the polices own admission, unfounded. I hope the IPCC will investigate the senior officer concerned, with a view to prosecution for his instigation of this vendetta. I hope he gets a commendation for lessening the nuisance the cyclists attempted to cause, it would be great if this (arresting and charging of troublemakers) could happen every time cyclorabble get on the streets to try and disrupt other people's lives. The major disruption in this case was caused by the police blocking off roads in an attempt to stop CM and merely because CM participants had decided not to obey the stupid conditions imposed on them by the police, such as not to go north of the river. BTW, this is a good example of how the police are allowed to create crimes as they go along and criminalise people extra-judicially, on the basis of "Do as we say or else!" -- . One person's managed democracy is another person's Police State, where rights are replaced by concessions. As I see it genuine CM was joined by extra elements whose only purpose was to disrupt the olympics. The best thing CM could do for itself would be to publicly distance itself from the trouble making elements, both the ones that are in CM and the outsiders. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:58:27 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote:
snip The major disruption in this case was caused by the police blocking off roads in an attempt to stop CM and merely because CM participants had decided not to obey the stupid conditions imposed on them by the police, such as not to go north of the river. Excellent Doug - I thought it was all premeditated. |
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On 01/08/2012 07:58, Doug wrote:
The major disruption in this case was caused by the police blocking off roads in an attempt to stop CM and merely because CM participants had decided not to obey the stupid conditions imposed on them by the police, such as not to go north of the river. The police were only there because the CM ****s had decided in advance to cause disruption - an offence under the Public Order Act. BTW, this is a good example of how the police are allowed to create crimes as they go along and criminalise people extra-judicially, on the basis of "Do as we say or else!" Section 12 - Imposing conditions on public processions provides police the power to impose conditions on processions "to prevent serious public disorder, serious criminal damage or serious disruption to the life of the community" The entire purpose of the CM ****s was to cause "serious public disorder, serious criminal damage or serious disruption to the life of the community". -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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