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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 31/07/2012 21:45, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message eb.com... On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote: Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper channels. lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper channels" would ensure he was let off. There is very little Justice when it comes to the police. I think that cyclists get away with too much, so I'll just deal out my own justice in future. That's the morality you're urging us towards. No I was just commenting on your risible claim that the proper channels deal with police assaults in these circumstances. I didn't advocate any course of action. However I would have though most of us would support balanced proportional citizen actions aimed at preventing crime. If you saw a cyclist assaulting someone I would consider it perfectly reasonable of you to try to restrain them. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 31/07/2012 21:38, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
Obstructing the police is. What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect. All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what is it? The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the police do not posess. Do you have a linky? No, because he's lying. Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public Order Act than they are from gravity. They have a standing right in respect of one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route. I usually try to be polite, so I ask for a link rather than saying that someone's (ahem) mistaken. In any case, there's no evidence in that video showing what the arrest was about. The woman being arrested may have been a mugger for all we know. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 31/07/2012 22:02, Nick wrote:
On 31/07/2012 21:45, Zapp Brannigan wrote: "Nick" wrote in message eb.com... On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote: Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper channels. lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper channels" would ensure he was let off. There is very little Justice when it comes to the police. I think that cyclists get away with too much, so I'll just deal out my own justice in future. That's the morality you're urging us towards. No I was just commenting on your risible claim that the proper channels deal with police assaults in these circumstances. Well, let's take stock... It's *your* view that the "the proper channels" fail to deal with (alleged) police malpractice. And because you hold that view, you claim to see nothing wrong with cyclists assaulting police officers and obstructing them in the course of their duties. Well... OK... In that case, you can logically have no complaint if those who see "the proper channels" failing to deal with cyclists' many (legion) breaches of road traffic and other laws decide to obstruct and assault cyclists. Or is that somehow "different"? I didn't advocate any course of action. However I would have though most of us would support balanced proportional citizen actions aimed at preventing crime. If you saw a cyclist assaulting someone I would consider it perfectly reasonable of you to try to restrain them. What about if one is cycling towards you on a footway? Is it OK to try to restrain them? |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On Aug 1, 12:15*am, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote:
"NM" wrote in message ... On Jul 31, 9:36 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: Another cyclist who's bent upon associating himself with a mean-spirited attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening and cause a security crisis. You lot are like lemmings, on or off the road. So you think the matter was handled well do you? Yes, very well handled. *The Met used persuasion and patience to divert as many casual participants away from the situation, and then moved smoothly to mop up the hardcore who were bent on trouble. If you're referring to the specific incident on youtube, I can't usefully comment without seeing the reason why the female cyclist was being arrested, or the surrounding environment. * Interesting that none of the video-recording onlookers wish to release that part of the story, isn't it? Lucky none of them were selling newspapers isn't it? |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On Aug 1, 12:27*am, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote:
"GB" wrote in message ... On 31/07/2012 21:38, Zapp Brannigan wrote: Obstructing the police is. What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect. All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what is it? The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the police do not posess. Do you have a linky? No, because he's lying. *Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public Order Act than they are from gravity. * They have a standing right in respect of one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route.. I usually try to be polite, so I ask for a link rather than saying that someone's (ahem) mistaken. And I would applaud your civility normally, but Phil Lee is being deliberately dishonest. *He knows the true facts, but is pursuing the Big Lie strategy. While Bradley Wiggins and Chris Hoy were receiving deserved applause in the Olympic Opening, a ragtag mob of troublemakers were actively trying to sabotage and disrupt the event. * *In one single vignette, that says everything about UK cycling. I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 01/08/2012 00:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message eb.com... On 31/07/2012 21:45, Zapp Brannigan wrote: "Nick" wrote in message eb.com... On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote: Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper channels. lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper channels" would ensure he was let off. There is very little Justice when it comes to the police. I think that cyclists get away with too much, so I'll just deal out my own justice in future. That's the morality you're urging us towards. No I was just commenting on your risible claim that the proper channels deal with police assaults in these circumstances. I didn't advocate any course of action. However I would have though most of us would support balanced proportional citizen actions aimed at preventing crime. If you saw a cyclist assaulting someone I would consider it perfectly reasonable of you to try to restrain them. You're just saying the same thing, with a few weasel words like proportionate, balanced, reasonable etc. They may seem like weasel words to you and if you do not understand the subtitles I would caution you against using your initiative in any citizen actions to uphold the peace. However most normal people understand the concepts and can quite reasonably be expected to participate in maintaining an ordered society. It's still advocating taking the law into your own hands. And I really don't have a problem with it, as long as you understand the consequences. Next time a smug cyclist decides to "take the lane" for example, I'll just proportionately and reasonably nudge him over so that reasonable traffic flow is restored. A proportional response to someone riding in a legal (often recommend) way, with low risk associated with them continuing to act in the same way, would be to do nothing. At a stretch it might be reasonable to express a view to them that you do not like their behaviour. I'm often surprised by the inability of posters to understand the simplest of concepts or construct even the most modest of logical arguments. Normally I put this down to a bit of banter as opposed to them being generally retarded but I'm never totally sure. Perhaps I live in an ivory tower and it has skewed my expectations of the common man. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 31/07/2012 21:45, NM wrote:
On Jul 31, 9:36 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: "NM" wrote in message ... On Jul 30, 10:38 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: "thirty-six" wrote in message ... I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable if the constable refused to show his warrant. Utter dribble. There is no requirement for a constable to produce a warrant card before making an arrest. You'll clutch at any straw to defend these yobs, evidently. But the yobs were in uniform, you grasp at any passing straw to defend them, the crowd were obviously hostile if the cop wasn't bent on being a bully he could have handled things in a different way, sadly modern policing is orientated towards confrontation. The wrong type or recruit finds the job attractive. Another cyclist who's bent upon associating himself with a mean-spirited attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening and cause a security crisis. You lot are like lemmings, on or off the road. So you think the matter was handled well do you? No. More police on scene would have enabled them to arrest the ****ing lot of the ******s. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 01/08/2012 08:26, NM wrote:
On Aug 1, 12:15 am, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: "NM" wrote in message ... On Jul 31, 9:36 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: Another cyclist who's bent upon associating himself with a mean-spirited attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening and cause a security crisis. You lot are like lemmings, on or off the road. So you think the matter was handled well do you? Yes, very well handled. The Met used persuasion and patience to divert as many casual participants away from the situation, and then moved smoothly to mop up the hardcore who were bent on trouble. If you're referring to the specific incident on youtube, I can't usefully comment without seeing the reason why the female cyclist was being arrested, or the surrounding environment. Interesting that none of the video-recording onlookers wish to release that part of the story, isn't it? Lucky none of them were selling newspapers isn't it? Lucky nobody shot the cops while they were off duty. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 01/08/2012 02:07, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Tired" considered Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:30:05 +0100 the perfect time to write: Phil W Lee wrote: :: "James Allen" considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 :: 20:21:47 +0100 the perfect time to write: :: ::: ::: ::: "Tired" wrote in message ... ::: ::: :::: she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob :::: like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon) ::: ::: Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point? ::: ::: This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I ::: often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations ::: like this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on ::: the power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these ::: cyclists, especially the so-called disabled guy and the **** in the ::: green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating. ::: :: Who will be left to complain when they come for you? They didnt come for anyone, dont be so stupid. You clearly don't bother to read anything about the subject of the post you are responding to. The police deliberately set up a confrontation, and their own actions and statements prove it. So when did they organise your little bike ride then and why did you find it necessary to take part? -- Moving things in still pictures |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. |
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