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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
GB wrote:
I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines world wide, and not in a good way. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On Aug 1, 8:49*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote: On 01/08/2012 08:26, NM wrote: On Aug 1, 12:15 am, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: "NM" wrote in message .... On Jul 31, 9:36 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote: Another cyclist who's bent upon associating himself with a mean-spirited attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening and cause a security crisis. You lot are like lemmings, on or off the road. So you think the matter was handled well do you? Yes, very well handled. *The Met used persuasion and patience to divert as many casual participants away from the situation, and then moved smoothly to mop up the hardcore who were bent on trouble. If you're referring to the specific incident on youtube, I can't usefully comment without seeing the reason why the female cyclist was being arrested, or the surrounding environment. * Interesting that none of the video-recording onlookers wish to release that part of the story, isn't it? Lucky none of them were selling newspapers isn't it? Lucky nobody shot the cops while they were off duty. If I was out to shoot a cop that would be the time to get him but there is no point after all they are just like dogs mindlessly doing their masters bidding, if one is killed another will be there to step into his place. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On Aug 1, 10:15*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
GB wrote: I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines world wide, and not in a good way. I agree, I'm not a supporter of Critical Mass their stupid antics cause problems for everybody and should be stopped, I am against violent thugs in uniform just happens to be Critical Mass in this instance. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:15:48 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: GB wrote: I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines world wide, and not in a good way. The Chinese, South Koreans and Indonesians have done more to damage (enhance) their country's reputations for unsportsmanlike behaviour with their antics on the badminton court. But I do agree with the essence of your remark. Had the police allowed Critical Mass to go to the Olympic Park, make their protest peacefully at not being allowed in the zil lanes, the nation's reputation for tolerating dissenting views would have been enhanced. As it is, the draconian measures imposed on cyclists crossing the Thames northbound, will provide further justification for Assad, Putin, Kim Young'un, and other odious leaders in their suppression of dissent. It's not good. I expect the violence in Syria to continue, Putin to further tighten his grip on power, and Kim Young'un to build a zil lane to the Disney Theme Park he'll build just outside Pyongyang. http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpre...im_minniez.jpg A match made in Heaven Lake, Baekdu Mountain |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:38:47 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote: snip It's not good. I expect the violence in Syria to continue, Putin to further tighten his grip on power, and Kim Young'un to build a zil lane to the Disney Theme Park he'll build just outside Pyongyang. Yes - and all because of a bunch of ****witted cyclists |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 01/08/2012 08:28, Nick wrote:
Zapp Brannigan wrote: "Nick" wrote: Zapp Brannigan wrote: "Nick" wrote: Zapp Brannigan wrote: Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper channels. lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper channels" would ensure he was let off. There is very little Justice when it comes to the police. I think that cyclists get away with too much, so I'll just deal out my own justice in future. That's the morality you're urging us towards. No I was just commenting on your risible claim that the proper channels deal with police assaults in these circumstances. I didn't advocate any course of action. However I would have though most of us would support balanced proportional citizen actions aimed at preventing crime. If you saw a cyclist assaulting someone I would consider it perfectly reasonable of you to try to restrain them. You're just saying the same thing, with a few weasel words like proportionate, balanced, reasonable etc. They may seem like weasel words to you and if you do not understand the subtitles I would caution you against using your initiative in any citizen actions to uphold the peace. However most normal people understand the concepts and can quite reasonably be expected to participate in maintaining an ordered society. I'm certain that ZB *does* understand the subtext (which is the word you were floundering about searching for). *Any* intelligent person would perceive it intuitively, particularly given your transparent disingenuity which can be easily summarised: "When cyclists break the law, it's always proportionate and reasonable, but when anyone else is provoked beyond endurance by a cyclist's law-breaking, any action they take is always disproportionate and unreasonable by definition". It's still advocating taking the law into your own hands. And I really don't have a problem with it, as long as you understand the consequences. Next time a smug cyclist decides to "take the lane" for example, I'll just proportionately and reasonably nudge him over so that reasonable traffic flow is restored. A proportional response to someone riding in a legal (often recommend) way, with low risk associated with them continuing to act in the same way, would be to do nothing. What? Not even apply the brakes? At a stretch it might be reasonable to express a view to them that you do not like their behaviour. So why didn't the Critical Mass act in such a reasonable way - and simply express their dislike of the Olympics and of any associated traffic restrictions - or even of the liberty enjoyed by citizens in the UK to travel as they choose - by writing a stiff collective letter of complaint to the Times? That *would* be reasonable, measured and lawful. Why do you say, alternatively, that deliberate violent confrontation with the police was "reasonable" on the part of CM? Please be consistent. I'm often surprised by the inability of posters to understand the simplest of concepts Exactly so. You must try *harder* to develop that ability. One simple concept you might try to understand is that other people are not your property and that they have rights whether you like it or not (and you clearly don't like it). |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 01/08/2012 10:38, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:15:48 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: GB wrote: I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines world wide, and not in a good way. The Chinese, South Koreans and Indonesians have done more to damage (enhance) their country's reputations for unsportsmanlike behaviour with their antics on the badminton court. But I do agree with the essence of your remark. Had the police allowed Critical Mass to go to the Olympic Park, make their protest peacefully at not being allowed in the zil lanes, the nation's reputation for tolerating dissenting views would have been enhanced. What form would the "peaceful" protest have taken? Would it have been carried *lawfully*? Think carefully before answering, as a glib "yes" is likely to incur scornful derision. As it is, the draconian measures imposed on cyclists crossing the Thames northbound, will provide further justification for Assad, Putin, Kim Young'un, and other odious leaders in their suppression of dissent. I'm sure they scan the South London Press every day for examples of such "brutality". Can you spell "hyperbole"? |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 01/08/2012 10:38, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:15:48 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: GB wrote: I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines world wide, and not in a good way. The Chinese, South Koreans and Indonesians have done more to damage (enhance) their country's reputations for unsportsmanlike behaviour with their antics on the badminton court. But I do agree with the essence of your remark. Had the police allowed Critical Mass to go to the Olympic Park, make their protest peacefully at not being allowed in the zil lanes, the nation's reputation for tolerating dissenting views would have been enhanced. But we know only too well that CM are a bunch of ****s out to cause trouble. They shouldn't be on the ****ing roads, let alone in the zil lanes. Who the **** do they think they are? As it is, the draconian measures imposed on cyclists crossing the Thames northbound, will provide further justification for Assad, Putin, Kim Young'un, and other odious leaders in their suppression of dissent. Hopefully it will justify use of the Public Order Act against future CM's. Your frankly idiotic comments 'almost' qualify under Goodwins Law. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:22 +0100, JNugent
wrote: On 01/08/2012 10:38, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:15:48 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: GB wrote: I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines world wide, and not in a good way. The Chinese, South Koreans and Indonesians have done more to damage (enhance) their country's reputations for unsportsmanlike behaviour with their antics on the badminton court. But I do agree with the essence of your remark. Had the police allowed Critical Mass to go to the Olympic Park, make their protest peacefully at not being allowed in the zil lanes, the nation's reputation for tolerating dissenting views would have been enhanced. What form would the "peaceful" protest have taken? It has been suggested that it would be a bike ride along one of the Olympic routes, staying out of the zil lanes, similar to the ride I escorted some Chinese guests along last Wednesday. Would it have been carried *lawfully*? I would very much hope so. Think carefully before answering, as a glib "yes" is likely to incur scornful derision. As it is, the draconian measures imposed on cyclists crossing the Thames northbound, will provide further justification for Assad, Putin, Kim Young'un, and other odious leaders in their suppression of dissent. I'm sure they scan the South London Press every day for examples of such "brutality". Can you spell "hyperbole"? If we are going to tell other world leaders about how they behave towards peaceful protest, we should make sure we are not being hypocritical. |
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"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012
On 01/08/2012 18:09, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:22 +0100, JNugent wrote: On 01/08/2012 10:38, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:15:48 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: GB wrote: I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and resources. Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that. All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value for money still further. and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines world wide, and not in a good way. The Chinese, South Koreans and Indonesians have done more to damage (enhance) their country's reputations for unsportsmanlike behaviour with their antics on the badminton court. But I do agree with the essence of your remark. Had the police allowed Critical Mass to go to the Olympic Park, make their protest peacefully at not being allowed in the zil lanes, the nation's reputation for tolerating dissenting views would have been enhanced. What form would the "peaceful" protest have taken? It has been suggested that it would be a bike ride along one of the Olympic routes, staying out of the zil lanes, similar to the ride I escorted some Chinese guests along last Wednesday. The one were you deliberately held up the traffic & delighted in doing so? "We rode at about 8mph in the inside lane. Several new looking cars and coaches passed us in the games lane, all with the official 2012 logo. Ahead of us the road was clear all the way to our turn off to Stratford. But behind us was a long line of beeping and fuming motor vehicles. It is really very funny. I must get out on my bike more often during the Games". -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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