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London Tour de Danger attracts hundreds of riders
"Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300
riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City & Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ |
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London Tour de Danger attracts hundreds of riders
On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote:
"Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City & Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots Quote:
special provision and all they do is whine about it." -- Simon For personal replies, please use my reply-to address. |
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London Tour de Danger attracts hundreds of riders
Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote: "Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City & Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots Quote:
You can already hear the cries from people like Dave, "You give cyclists special provision and all they do is whine about it." if it is so obviously dangerous then why on earth do cyclists keep riding round it? Is it impossible for them to get off and push? they are at liberty to use the pavements while pushing and can remount after the " terribly dangerous" bit. Problem solved. |
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On 14/11/2011 12:13, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Weaseltemper wrote: On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote: "Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City& Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots Quote:
You can already hear the cries from people like Dave, "You give cyclists special provision and all they do is whine about it." if it is so obviously dangerous then why on earth do cyclists keep riding round it? Is it impossible for them to get off and push? they are at liberty to use the pavements while pushing and can remount after the " terribly dangerous" bit. Problem solved. Not sure if I agree with that. That course of action might be credible if the journey is a one-off. You come across a road that appears to have exceptional hazards so you do your best to avoid it any way you can. But if that hazard forms part of your commute, getting off and walking several hundred yards is not really going to be something very practical. The better solution would be to find another route which avoids the hazard. But here we have a situation where TPTB have painted lanes to encourage cyclists to use the road. If anything, it highlights my own belief that where you see cycle lanes you should stay out of them, find another route, or indeed, get off and walk. Cycle lanes it seems, are a very dangerous place to cycle and they really only exist to help traffic flow. -- Simon For personal replies, please use my reply-to address. |
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London Tour de Danger attracts hundreds of riders
Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 14/11/2011 12:13, Mrcheerful wrote: Simon Weaseltemper wrote: On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote: "Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City& Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots Quote:
You can already hear the cries from people like Dave, "You give cyclists special provision and all they do is whine about it." if it is so obviously dangerous then why on earth do cyclists keep riding round it? Is it impossible for them to get off and push? they are at liberty to use the pavements while pushing and can remount after the " terribly dangerous" bit. Problem solved. Not sure if I agree with that. That course of action might be credible if the journey is a one-off. You come across a road that appears to have exceptional hazards so you do your best to avoid it any way you can. But if that hazard forms part of your commute, getting off and walking several hundred yards is not really going to be something very practical. The better solution would be to find another route which avoids the hazard. But here we have a situation where TPTB have painted lanes to encourage cyclists to use the road. If anything, it highlights my own belief that where you see cycle lanes you should stay out of them, find another route, or indeed, get off and walk. Cycle lanes it seems, are a very dangerous place to cycle and they really only exist to help traffic flow. a quarter mile walk (would it be that far?) would only take 7 mins at a wander. People need to decide how urgent their commute really is in relation to death. |
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On Nov 14, 12:08*pm, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote: On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote: "Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City & Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...-attracts-hund... Quote:
You can already hear the cries from people like Dave, "You give cyclists special provision and all they do is whine about it." I am sure he will be ruining yet another of his evenings writing about it, yes. -- Simon Mason |
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On 14/11/2011 12:08, Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote: "Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City & Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots Quote:
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You can already hear the cries from people like Dave, "You give cyclists special provision and all they do is whine about it." What IS the problem with the E&C roundabout(s)? Is it really that some cyclists try to get past left-turning lorries (etc) on the nearside? |
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On 14/11/2011 13:05, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Weaseltemper wrote: On 14/11/2011 12:13, Mrcheerful wrote: Simon Weaseltemper wrote: On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote: "Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City& Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots Quote:
You can already hear the cries from people like Dave, "You give cyclists special provision and all they do is whine about it." if it is so obviously dangerous then why on earth do cyclists keep riding round it? Is it impossible for them to get off and push? they are at liberty to use the pavements while pushing and can remount after the " terribly dangerous" bit. Problem solved. Not sure if I agree with that. That course of action might be credible if the journey is a one-off. You come across a road that appears to have exceptional hazards so you do your best to avoid it any way you can. But if that hazard forms part of your commute, getting off and walking several hundred yards is not really going to be something very practical. The better solution would be to find another route which avoids the hazard. But here we have a situation where TPTB have painted lanes to encourage cyclists to use the road. If anything, it highlights my own belief that where you see cycle lanes you should stay out of them, find another route, or indeed, get off and walk. Cycle lanes it seems, are a very dangerous place to cycle and they really only exist to help traffic flow. a quarter mile walk (would it be that far?) would only take 7 mins at a wander. People need to decide how urgent their commute really is in relation to death. Almost every commuter on other modes has *at least* that distance to walk every day anyway. Lots of people walk several times that distance inside Tube station tunnels. |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:28:17 +0000, JNugent
wrote: On 14/11/2011 13:05, Mrcheerful wrote: Simon Weaseltemper wrote: On 14/11/2011 12:13, Mrcheerful wrote: Simon Weaseltemper wrote: On 14/11/2011 11:30, Simon Mason wrote: "Saturday's tour of London's most 10 dangerous junctions attracted over 300 riders and the attention of politicians and press and TV news crews from across the capital. The ride, organised by London bloggers Danny Williams of Cyclists in the City& Mark Ames of ibikelondon was designed to highlight what Transport for London itself has identified as the 10 most dangerous junctions in London and to force politicians and transport planners to do something to make them safer it certainly managed that with a headline piece on the BBC's London regional news and the presence of numerous politicians. The ride, dubbed The Tour de Danger attracted a real cross section of London's cycling community from Lycra-clad riders on drop bar road bikes right across the spectrum to those perhaps making a particular statement by riding on Boris bikes. In an irony that can only be described as grim it was one of the junctions not on the ride, the Bow Road roundabout, that was highest in everybody's minds following the death of a woman cyclist there on Friday evening - the second cycling fatality there in less than three weeks - a minute's silence was held in her memory." http://road.cc/content/news/47678-lo...ent-blackspots Quote:
You can already hear the cries from people like Dave, "You give cyclists special provision and all they do is whine about it." if it is so obviously dangerous then why on earth do cyclists keep riding round it? Is it impossible for them to get off and push? they are at liberty to use the pavements while pushing and can remount after the " terribly dangerous" bit. Problem solved. Not sure if I agree with that. That course of action might be credible if the journey is a one-off. You come across a road that appears to have exceptional hazards so you do your best to avoid it any way you can. But if that hazard forms part of your commute, getting off and walking several hundred yards is not really going to be something very practical. The better solution would be to find another route which avoids the hazard. But here we have a situation where TPTB have painted lanes to encourage cyclists to use the road. If anything, it highlights my own belief that where you see cycle lanes you should stay out of them, find another route, or indeed, get off and walk. Cycle lanes it seems, are a very dangerous place to cycle and they really only exist to help traffic flow. a quarter mile walk (would it be that far?) would only take 7 mins at a wander. People need to decide how urgent their commute really is in relation to death. Almost every commuter on other modes has *at least* that distance to walk every day anyway. Lots of people walk several times that distance inside Tube station tunnels. Do you think that pedestrians would welcome 1000+ cyclists per day pushing their bikes through the crowded Elephant and Castle underpasses during the peak periods? |
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On 14/11/2011 19:39, Bertie Wooster wrote:
wrote: On 14/11/2011 13:05, Mrcheerful wrote: [ ... ] Quote:
if it is so obviously dangerous then why on earth do cyclists keep riding round it? Is it impossible for them to get off and push? they are at liberty to use the pavements while pushing and can remount after the " terribly dangerous" bit. Problem solved. Not sure if I agree with that. That course of action might be credible if the journey is a one-off. You come across a road that appears to have exceptional hazards so you do your best to avoid it any way you can. But if that hazard forms part of your commute, getting off and walking several hundred yards is not really going to be something very practical. The better solution would be to find another route which avoids the hazard. But here we have a situation where TPTB have painted lanes to encourage cyclists to use the road. If anything, it highlights my own belief that where you see cycle lanes you should stay out of them, find another route, or indeed, get off and walk. Cycle lanes it seems, are a very dangerous place to cycle and they really only exist to help traffic flow. a quarter mile walk (would it be that far?) would only take 7 mins at a wander. People need to decide how urgent their commute really is in relation to death. Almost every commuter on other modes has *at least* that distance to walk every day anyway. Lots of people walk several times that distance inside Tube station tunnels. Do you think that pedestrians would welcome 1000+ cyclists per day pushing their bikes through the crowded Elephant and Castle underpasses during the peak periods? To be frank, that doesn't really sound like the extra "up to a quarter of a mile walk" posited by a PP, so he must be thinking of some alternative route which lengthens the journey by that amount rather than the few tens of yards (at most) which would result from becoming a subterranean pedestrian. But don't mistake me - I'm not arguing that cyclists should walk the quarter mile. I suspect that the risk would be reduced if there was simply less undertaking of left-turning large vehicles. And what "improvements" would be possible to completely eliminate such danger? After all, those undertaking accidents also happen at cross-road traffic lights as well as at roundabouts. At a junction like the northerly E&C roundabout, redesigning that as a traffic light junction with no one-way working at all would cost many millions of pounds and cause chaos both during the necessary roadworks and after that. |
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