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Newbie question about tubeless tires
As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's
and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. Thanks |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's
and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. As anyone with real experience with them will attest: they are great. They virtually eliminate tire problems - that is, if you get the Real Thing. They have done for mountain bikes what they did for the automobile. Yes, you do need special rims and tires. They are becoming much more commonplace and as a consequence the prices are coming down as well. There are rigs which attempt to adapt standard tube tires to tubeless - don't waste your time with them. As in most things in life, you get what you pay for. |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
Subject: Newbie question about tubeless tires
From: "Kevin Doulet" Date: 8/23/2003 2:13 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. Thanks Tubless tires came with my newest hard tail, and after watching the front tire go down every night, I just got tubes put in them and said the hell with it. I have never had problems with flats to begin with, and probably should have just swapped the tires out when I got it. I don't recommend them at all. |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
"Kevin Doulet" wrote in message ... As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. Thanks Go to the Save Weight section of www. mtbr.com. They have an ongoing discussion of what works and doesn't work. Best tires, rims, etc. Tubeless and Notubes is not for everyone. If you have no problems with regular tubes, then there is no reason to switch. If you have regular flatting issues, then it's worth a look. The Notubes solution seems to be a hit or miss issue. Some people swear by them, some people hate it. Regular Tubeless have weight issues and the extra care that must be taken when mounting them. |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
Kevin Doulet said...
As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. Thanks Yes you need special rims to go with the special tires, but regular tires can be used on tubeless rims and tubeless tires can be used with regular rims. There is a substantial weight penalty of about 1/2 lb with my setup if you believe published weight claims. Tubeless tires are much thicker and stiffer than regular tires. The rims are heavier too, probably because of the molded plastic rim strip that the tubeless system relies on. Tires are very difficult to mount. Most people claim that they lose air quickly, but I put 1 oz of tubeless Slime (available at auto parts stores) when I mounted the tires and their air holding ability is better than anything I have experienced before. I lose less than 1 psi per day. You need LOTS of air going into the tire to seat the bead so they will hold air. I took mine down to a gas station and used one of those coin operated compressors for cars. Some people say they can seat theirs with a floor pump. You could be in deep doo-doo if the bead comes off the rim on the trail. Most tubeless users carry a tube for such emergencies. Considering how little room there is to work with and how difficult the tires are to get on and off the rim, I dread the day that I have to try and get a tube in there. What made me want to try tubeless is that they are supposed to have lower rolling resistance. I can't say for sure if it is true, but the tubeless do seem a little bouncier and livelier than what I have been used to. Of course, if you have problems poking holes in inner tubes, tubeless is a way to deal with it once and for all. On the con side, the setup is more expensive. Not a whole lot, but some. Tubeless tire selection is limited. Fortunately for me, my favorite tire comes in a tubeless version. You just have to do your research and take your chances. I don't think either system is going away anytime soon. |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
I have had mine for 2+ seasons and love em'!
I am currently running Continental 2.3 Vertical pro tubeless on the front combined with a hutchison python 2.0 UST on the rear. These are mounted to Mavic Crossroc UST disc specific rims. I have had found that a 2.3 on the back wheel is too flexy and causing the tire fold over on itself occasionally(hence the change to the 2.0). You will find that the bike is way more sensitive and not only does the bike seem to get much better traction- it just feels better. The tires are more difficult to install(especially on the trail). However, I have found that spraying the bead with simple green and water solution helps alot. The tires do tend to lose air, so invest in a floor pump and adjust your air pressure as needed. Edwards -- I want to know God's thoughts... all the rest are details. --Albert Einstein "Super Slinky" wrote in message t... Kevin Doulet said... As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. Thanks Yes you need special rims to go with the special tires, but regular tires can be used on tubeless rims and tubeless tires can be used with regular rims. There is a substantial weight penalty of about 1/2 lb with my setup if you believe published weight claims. Tubeless tires are much thicker and stiffer than regular tires. The rims are heavier too, probably because of the molded plastic rim strip that the tubeless system relies on. Tires are very difficult to mount. Most people claim that they lose air quickly, but I put 1 oz of tubeless Slime (available at auto parts stores) when I mounted the tires and their air holding ability is better than anything I have experienced before. I lose less than 1 psi per day. You need LOTS of air going into the tire to seat the bead so they will hold air. I took mine down to a gas station and used one of those coin operated compressors for cars. Some people say they can seat theirs with a floor pump. You could be in deep doo-doo if the bead comes off the rim on the trail. Most tubeless users carry a tube for such emergencies. Considering how little room there is to work with and how difficult the tires are to get on and off the rim, I dread the day that I have to try and get a tube in there. What made me want to try tubeless is that they are supposed to have lower rolling resistance. I can't say for sure if it is true, but the tubeless do seem a little bouncier and livelier than what I have been used to. Of course, if you have problems poking holes in inner tubes, tubeless is a way to deal with it once and for all. On the con side, the setup is more expensive. Not a whole lot, but some. Tubeless tire selection is limited. Fortunately for me, my favorite tire comes in a tubeless version. You just have to do your research and take your chances. I don't think either system is going away anytime soon. |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
"Super Slinky" skrev i en meddelelse t... Kevin Doulet said... As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. Thanks Yes you need special rims to go with the special tires, but regular tires can be used on tubeless rims and tubeless tires can be used with regular rims. So, your UST rim fits regular tires? Must be the best UST rims on the market, think of the low weight regular tires you could fit on that rim??? Well, they might fit, but wont hold air for a split second. Peter |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
"Peter Tønnesen" wrote in message
k... "Super Slinky" skrev i en meddelelse t... Yes you need special rims to go with the special tires, but regular tires can be used on tubeless rims and tubeless tires can be used with regular rims. So, your UST rim fits regular tires? Must be the best UST rims on the market, think of the low weight regular tires you could fit on that rim??? Well, they might fit, but wont hold air for a split second. Um, pretty sure he meant WITH TUBES. Bill "running 'regular' Geax Sedonas on Crossmax XL's" S. |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
Um, pretty sure he meant WITH TUBES.
Arhhhh, my bad, but why buy UST system and use it with tube and loose the advantage, when you can build much lightere and just as good or better wheelsets without UST? Peter Satisfied Crossmax XL 2003 user |
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Newbie question about tubeless tires
I have ridden with both types of tires and actually prefer Stan's system to
the UST versions of the tires. I do find the rim strips to be a pain on non-UST rims, but on the UST rims I haven't had any complaints. In fact, the UST tires have been almost as problematic as the regular ones and I find you have to run Stan's stuff in them anyway. "John Harlow" wrote in message ... As a newbie, I'm not thinking about buying any, just wanted to read pro's and con's from anyone that's rode on them. Just trying to learn And some basic info, like do you need special rims, etc? Any comments welcome. As anyone with real experience with them will attest: they are great. They virtually eliminate tire problems - that is, if you get the Real Thing. They have done for mountain bikes what they did for the automobile. Yes, you do need special rims and tires. They are becoming much more commonplace and as a consequence the prices are coming down as well. There are rigs which attempt to adapt standard tube tires to tubeless - don't waste your time with them. As in most things in life, you get what you pay for. |
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