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MagillaGorilla wrote:
So are you saying Connie Carpenter made no money in cycling or that she was an Olympic fraud? Take your pick, O-CarlWan. Amateur? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dumbass. Bob Schwartz |
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: So are you saying Connie Carpenter made no money in cycling or that she was an Olympic fraud? Take your pick, O-CarlWan. Amateur? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dumbass. Bob Schwartz Dude, Lance Armstrong and Jonas Carney delayed turning pro until 1993 because they both didn't want to make themselves ineligible for the '92 Barcelona Games. What definition of amateur are you using? Back in 1984, it was a foregone conclusion that amateur status meant you did not make any money from your sport. To do so was to risk being made ineligible for the Olympics. What other definition is there? Magilla |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: What does Carmichael in '96 have to do with Twigg in '84? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9679482 60 Apple Lap. 1981. Nitz. $2500. What's that worth in today's money? Anywhere from $5k to $11k, depending in which relative value calculator you use. What place is that equivalent to on GC at the Tour? IIRC, it was a bit of a cluster, because they rode over a steel grate bridge which wasn't cool. I think Leslie Moore won the women's race. Jacqui Bradley (Jeff Bradley's sister) won the women's race at the Mohawk Classic. $15,000. 1981. ($34k to $66k in today's dollars) What's that worth in today's money on GC at the Tour (for the _men_)? In the realm of 5th place on GC. Total prize list $71 grand. And it wasn't split up between 14 different masters categories, either. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9679482 60 WTF is a Carney abortion? Keep talkin' Magilla Ahmadinejad, juuust keeeeeep on talking. Okay, so you split $10k between your 5 teammates and you got $2,000. The Mohawk Classic purse sounds better but how long did that race last with that kind of prize money. I would bet no longer than 1 or 2 years. $10k is $10k and splitting is splitting. It doesn't matter if it was 27 years ago in Jersey or a couple of months ago in Minnesota. It's irrelevant to the issue at hand. You're right about the lifespan of the race. I don't know, but what's the average lifespan of any big $ bike race in the US? How many years did the Triple Crown (Thrift Drug, West Virginia, CoreStates) that offered a $1M prize to the winer of all three last? The Super Duper Tour of America, like many others, can't even get beyond a webpage. You cherry picked the richest races in the season and then talked about what the winner would get. 95% of the women made the equivalent of what a Walmart cashier makes in a summer. Magilla ADHD Monkey, To refresh your memory, this is relevant to your viewpoint that amateurs did not receive money. So they competed in the all-amateur Olympics as frauds in violation of the IOC rules at the time that said athletes could make no money in their sports? Since Connie Carpenter Bee retired right after the 1984 Games, she technically had to retire with no earned income at all from cycling or she would have been ineligible to compete in the '84 Olympics. So are you saying Connie Carpenter made no money in cycling or that she was an Olympic fraud? Take your pick, O-CarlWan. Thanks, Magilla Do you consider yourself to have been an amateur fraud? |
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Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: What does Carmichael in '96 have to do with Twigg in '84? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...3BA1575AC0A967 948260 Apple Lap. 1981. Nitz. $2500. What's that worth in today's money? Anywhere from $5k to $11k, depending in which relative value calculator you use. What place is that equivalent to on GC at the Tour? IIRC, it was a bit of a cluster, because they rode over a steel grate bridge which wasn't cool. I think Leslie Moore won the women's race. Jacqui Bradley (Jeff Bradley's sister) won the women's race at the Mohawk Classic. $15,000. 1981. ($34k to $66k in today's dollars) What's that worth in today's money on GC at the Tour (for the _men_)? In the realm of 5th place on GC. Total prize list $71 grand. And it wasn't split up between 14 different masters categories, either. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...36A15753C1A967 948260 WTF is a Carney abortion? Keep talkin' Magilla Ahmadinejad, juuust keeeeeep on talking. Okay, so you split $10k between your 5 teammates and you got $2,000. The Mohawk Classic purse sounds better but how long did that race last with that kind of prize money. I would bet no longer than 1 or 2 years. $10k is $10k and splitting is splitting. It doesn't matter if it was 27 years ago in Jersey or a couple of months ago in Minnesota. It's irrelevant to the issue at hand. You're right about the lifespan of the race. I don't know, but what's the average lifespan of any big $ bike race in the US? How many years did the Triple Crown (Thrift Drug, West Virginia, CoreStates) that offered a $1M prize to the winer of all three last? The Super Duper Tour of America, like many others, can't even get beyond a webpage. The "Tour of America" "plan" doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as actual races. It's less real than unicorns, and less realistic than Chinese Democracy*. *The GnR album, not the concept of political self-determination in the People's Republic of China. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: What does Carmichael in '96 have to do with Twigg in '84? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9679482 60 Apple Lap. 1981. Nitz. $2500. What's that worth in today's money? Anywhere from $5k to $11k, depending in which relative value calculator you use. What place is that equivalent to on GC at the Tour? IIRC, it was a bit of a cluster, because they rode over a steel grate bridge which wasn't cool. I think Leslie Moore won the women's race. Jacqui Bradley (Jeff Bradley's sister) won the women's race at the Mohawk Classic. $15,000. 1981. ($34k to $66k in today's dollars) What's that worth in today's money on GC at the Tour (for the _men_)? In the realm of 5th place on GC. Total prize list $71 grand. And it wasn't split up between 14 different masters categories, either. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9679482 60 WTF is a Carney abortion? Keep talkin' Magilla Ahmadinejad, juuust keeeeeep on talking. Okay, so you split $10k between your 5 teammates and you got $2,000. The Mohawk Classic purse sounds better but how long did that race last with that kind of prize money. I would bet no longer than 1 or 2 years. $10k is $10k and splitting is splitting. It doesn't matter if it was 27 years ago in Jersey or a couple of months ago in Minnesota. It's irrelevant to the issue at hand. You're right about the lifespan of the race. I don't know, but what's the average lifespan of any big $ bike race in the US? How many years did the Triple Crown (Thrift Drug, West Virginia, CoreStates) that offered a $1M prize to the winer of all three last? The Super Duper Tour of America, like many others, can't even get beyond a webpage. You cherry picked the richest races in the season and then talked about what the winner would get. 95% of the women made the equivalent of what a Walmart cashier makes in a summer. Magilla ADHD Monkey, To refresh your memory, this is relevant to your viewpoint that amateurs did not receive money. So they competed in the all-amateur Olympics as frauds in violation of the IOC rules at the time that said athletes could make no money in their sports? Since Connie Carpenter Bee retired right after the 1984 Games, she technically had to retire with no earned income at all from cycling or she would have been ineligible to compete in the '84 Olympics. So are you saying Connie Carpenter made no money in cycling or that she was an Olympic fraud? Take your pick, O-CarlWan. Thanks, Magilla Do you consider yourself to have been an amateur fraud? No, because the chief never stomped my ass. Magilla |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: What does Carmichael in '96 have to do with Twigg in '84? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9679482 60 Apple Lap. 1981. Nitz. $2500. What's that worth in today's money? Anywhere from $5k to $11k, depending in which relative value calculator you use. What place is that equivalent to on GC at the Tour? IIRC, it was a bit of a cluster, because they rode over a steel grate bridge which wasn't cool. I think Leslie Moore won the women's race. Jacqui Bradley (Jeff Bradley's sister) won the women's race at the Mohawk Classic. $15,000. 1981. ($34k to $66k in today's dollars) What's that worth in today's money on GC at the Tour (for the _men_)? In the realm of 5th place on GC. Total prize list $71 grand. And it wasn't split up between 14 different masters categories, either. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9679482 60 WTF is a Carney abortion? Keep talkin' Magilla Ahmadinejad, juuust keeeeeep on talking. Okay, so you split $10k between your 5 teammates and you got $2,000. The Mohawk Classic purse sounds better but how long did that race last with that kind of prize money. I would bet no longer than 1 or 2 years. $10k is $10k and splitting is splitting. It doesn't matter if it was 27 years ago in Jersey or a couple of months ago in Minnesota. It's irrelevant to the issue at hand. You're right about the lifespan of the race. I don't know, but what's the average lifespan of any big $ bike race in the US? How many years did the Triple Crown (Thrift Drug, West Virginia, CoreStates) that offered a $1M prize to the winer of all three last? The Super Duper Tour of America, like many others, can't even get beyond a webpage. You cherry picked the richest races in the season and then talked about what the winner would get. 95% of the women made the equivalent of what a Walmart cashier makes in a summer. Magilla ADHD Monkey, To refresh your memory, this is relevant to your viewpoint that amateurs did not receive money. So they competed in the all-amateur Olympics as frauds in violation of the IOC rules at the time that said athletes could make no money in their sports? Since Connie Carpenter Bee retired right after the 1984 Games, she technically had to retire with no earned income at all from cycling or she would have been ineligible to compete in the '84 Olympics. So are you saying Connie Carpenter made no money in cycling or that she was an Olympic fraud? Take your pick, O-CarlWan. Thanks, Magilla Do you consider yourself to have been an amateur fraud? No, because the chief never stomped my ass. Magilla You need to capitalize the C, or Gibby will sit on you. |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
Bob Schwartz wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: So are you saying Connie Carpenter made no money in cycling or that she was an Olympic fraud? Take your pick, O-CarlWan. Amateur? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dumbass. Bob Schwartz Dude, Lance Armstrong and Jonas Carney delayed turning pro until 1993 because they both didn't want to make themselves ineligible for the '92 Barcelona Games. What definition of amateur are you using? Back in 1984, it was a foregone conclusion that amateur status meant you did not make any money from your sport. To do so was to risk being made ineligible for the Olympics. What other definition is there? Magilla Says who? And what difference was there between pre'84 and post'84? Name one rider who was deeked from the Olympics for receiving money? |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
I meant pre-1984. You call Somerville prize money? Those other races gave away food stamps too. Longo's the only one who made money in that group (obviously I knew that). The rest waited tables when they retired (unless they married Kiefel, in which case they unpacked boxes in his shop for 2 years before divorcing him.). Twigg. Carmichael schooled her and sent her home packing @ the '96 Games. 7-11? What - they get some free Big Gulps? How many of them had to pay for a Carney abortion? Time for J-Me to work a back-hoe now that Cheerwine folded. Magilla I'm still waiting for you to explain: 1) How Carmichael "schooling" Twigg and sending her packing has anything to do with pre-'84 salary. 2) What is a Carney abortion? 3) WTF any of it has to do with working a back-hoe. |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: What does Carmichael in '96 have to do with Twigg in '84? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9679482 60 Apple Lap. 1981. Nitz. $2500. What's that worth in today's money? Anywhere from $5k to $11k, depending in which relative value calculator you use. What place is that equivalent to on GC at the Tour? IIRC, it was a bit of a cluster, because they rode over a steel grate bridge which wasn't cool. I think Leslie Moore won the women's race. Jacqui Bradley (Jeff Bradley's sister) won the women's race at the Mohawk Classic. $15,000. 1981. ($34k to $66k in today's dollars) What's that worth in today's money on GC at the Tour (for the _men_)? In the realm of 5th place on GC. Total prize list $71 grand. And it wasn't split up between 14 different masters categories, either. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9679482 60 WTF is a Carney abortion? Keep talkin' Magilla Ahmadinejad, juuust keeeeeep on talking. Okay, so you split $10k between your 5 teammates and you got $2,000. The Mohawk Classic purse sounds better but how long did that race last with that kind of prize money. I would bet no longer than 1 or 2 years. $10k is $10k and splitting is splitting. It doesn't matter if it was 27 years ago in Jersey or a couple of months ago in Minnesota. It's irrelevant to the issue at hand. You're right about the lifespan of the race. I don't know, but what's the average lifespan of any big $ bike race in the US? How many years did the Triple Crown (Thrift Drug, West Virginia, CoreStates) that offered a $1M prize to the winer of all three last? The Super Duper Tour of America, like many others, can't even get beyond a webpage. You cherry picked the richest races in the season and then talked about what the winner would get. 95% of the women made the equivalent of what a Walmart cashier makes in a summer. Magilla ADHD Monkey, To refresh your memory, this is relevant to your viewpoint that amateurs did not receive money. So they competed in the all-amateur Olympics as frauds in violation of the IOC rules at the time that said athletes could make no money in their sports? Since Connie Carpenter Bee retired right after the 1984 Games, she technically had to retire with no earned income at all from cycling or she would have been ineligible to compete in the '84 Olympics. So are you saying Connie Carpenter made no money in cycling or that she was an Olympic fraud? Take your pick, O-CarlWan. Thanks, Magilla Do you consider yourself to have been an amateur fraud? No, because the chief never stomped my ass. Magilla More pussification. |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
Back in 1984, it was a foregone conclusion that amateur status meant you did not make any money from your sport. To do so was to risk being made ineligible for the Olympics. What other definition is there? Dumbass, Amateur status did not mean what you think it meant. Are you really under the impression that everyone got merchandise prizes? Not only did I occasionally make money from the sport without jeopardizing my amateur status, I also accelerated in velodrome turns. Now stop wetting the bed and move along. Bob Schwartz |
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