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  #21  
Old November 15th 19, 03:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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Default Gresham's Law

On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 5:29:32 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/14/2019 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/14/2019 5:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:38:49 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 November 2019 12:53:56 UTC-5, Frank KrygowskiÂ* wrote:
On 11/14/2019 11:43 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

We had a good non-currency example of this recently when PG&E turned
off the electric power for a few days to allegedly prevent starting
forest fires.Â* The necessity and demand for generators immediately
rose.Â* Literally, the first day, the better quality generators were
gone from the stores, while the low quality generators was all one
could find, usually at artificially high prices.Â* Fortunately, it only
lasted about two weeks, as the stores were able to restock their
generators, at high prices, of course.Â* Did they restock with high
quality generators?Â* Nope.Â* Most of what I saw for sale at the local
big box stores was bottom of the line models.Â* It also produced a
supply of "broken" used generators for sale, some of which I've been
considering buying and reselling.Â* Most of them were trashed by E10
ethanol fuel left sitting in the carburetor and are an easy fix.

Decades ago, I read of a proposal for home heating and home power
generation by using home generators powered by natural gas. The big
efficiency boost would come from utilization of waste heat from the
generator, first to heat home water, then space heating. I suppose a
dedicated hobbyist could give it a try by modifying a commercial
generator to run on NG.

Similarly, the idea of "co-generation" was floated, in which small
local
plants could burn a variety of fuels - perhaps including trash - to
generate electricity for a community, and pipe waste heat into nearby
buildings.

If California had either of those systems running, PG&E problems would
have much less impact.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Wasn't there a city in Norway that built a garbage burning generating
station that was so successful along with recycling that they had to
import garbage from other areas in order to keep the generating plant
running?

Ah yes. Oslo, Norway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/w...to-energy.html


Cheers

That is interesting but I think it is likely that the Oslo plant must
be highly selective in the garbage that they burn as a number of
places in Asia have experimented in using garbage as fuel for a
electrical generation, Singapore comes to mind here, and the net
results is that it is not financially effective as natural gas or some
other fuel is needed to burn the garbage.

But it is possible that garbage in parts of Asia is actually different
from garbage in Europe. For example, we, here in Thailand, buy no
canned goods and almost no food stuffs packaged in plastic or paper.
Indonesia was similar and very probably Singapore and Malaysia are
also similar, and I suspect that China and Japan are similar.
--
cheers,

John B.


I don't know from Thailand or Singapore but the Japanese are the
absolute experts on municipal refuse incineration.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/yo...rning-in-Tokyo


http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph240/park-h2/

https://www.japan.go.jp/tomodachi/20...echnology.html


I saw impressive municipal incinerator operations in suburban Tokyo
almost 40 years ago and if anything they're even better at it now.


And regarding Joerg's worries (else-thread) about air pollution, the
Japanese have close to the world's highest life expectancy.


And a low lung cancer rate for a population that smokes -- an thus the "Japanese smoking paradox." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12889681#:~:targetText=The%20prevalence%20of%20cig arette%20smoking,('Japanese%20smoking%20paradox'). There is clearly a genetic component.

-- Jay Beattie.
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  #22  
Old November 15th 19, 04:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Gresham's Law

On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 2:52:53 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/14/2019 4:32 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 1:18:39 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/contine...arket-product/



From the link:
"Dandelion root extract makes up part of the formula, which it is hoped will revolutionise the tyre compound and lessen the reliance on polluting rubber."

Ladies and gentlmen, if you'll look out of the window, you'll notice we're now entering leprechaun land.

Andre Jute
Special Witch Doctor Kit with Optional Dandelion Root Extract now only $29.95 plus six offbrand cola tops


The National Socialist Germans worked with dandelion for a
rubber substitute/extender during the war. It's not
ridiculous although maybe not so cost effective.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Dandelions are becoming one of the most difficult weeds to kill. I've tried every weed killer from Ace Hardware to RoundUp with no effect. I'm about to go back to good old kerosene.
  #23  
Old November 15th 19, 05:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Gresham's Law

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 5:29:32 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/14/2019 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/14/2019 5:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:38:49 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 November 2019 12:53:56 UTC-5, Frank KrygowskiÂ* wrote:
On 11/14/2019 11:43 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

We had a good non-currency example of this recently when PG&E turned
off the electric power for a few days to allegedly prevent starting
forest fires.Â* The necessity and demand for generators immediately
rose.Â* Literally, the first day, the better quality generators were
gone from the stores, while the low quality generators was all one
could find, usually at artificially high prices.Â* Fortunately, it only
lasted about two weeks, as the stores were able to restock their
generators, at high prices, of course.Â* Did they restock with high
quality generators?Â* Nope.Â* Most of what I saw for sale at the local
big box stores was bottom of the line models.Â* It also produced a
supply of "broken" used generators for sale, some of which I've been
considering buying and reselling.Â* Most of them were trashed by E10
ethanol fuel left sitting in the carburetor and are an easy fix.

Decades ago, I read of a proposal for home heating and home power
generation by using home generators powered by natural gas. The big
efficiency boost would come from utilization of waste heat from the
generator, first to heat home water, then space heating. I suppose a
dedicated hobbyist could give it a try by modifying a commercial
generator to run on NG.

Similarly, the idea of "co-generation" was floated, in which small
local
plants could burn a variety of fuels - perhaps including trash - to
generate electricity for a community, and pipe waste heat into nearby
buildings.

If California had either of those systems running, PG&E problems would
have much less impact.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Wasn't there a city in Norway that built a garbage burning generating
station that was so successful along with recycling that they had to
import garbage from other areas in order to keep the generating plant
running?

Ah yes. Oslo, Norway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/w...to-energy.html


Cheers

That is interesting but I think it is likely that the Oslo plant must
be highly selective in the garbage that they burn as a number of
places in Asia have experimented in using garbage as fuel for a
electrical generation, Singapore comes to mind here, and the net
results is that it is not financially effective as natural gas or some
other fuel is needed to burn the garbage.

But it is possible that garbage in parts of Asia is actually different
from garbage in Europe. For example, we, here in Thailand, buy no
canned goods and almost no food stuffs packaged in plastic or paper.
Indonesia was similar and very probably Singapore and Malaysia are
also similar, and I suspect that China and Japan are similar.
--
cheers,

John B.


I don't know from Thailand or Singapore but the Japanese are the
absolute experts on municipal refuse incineration.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/yo...rning-in-Tokyo


http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph240/park-h2/

https://www.japan.go.jp/tomodachi/20...echnology.html


I saw impressive municipal incinerator operations in suburban Tokyo
almost 40 years ago and if anything they're even better at it now.


And regarding Joerg's worries (else-thread) about air pollution, the
Japanese have close to the world's highest life expectancy.


And a low lung cancer rate for a population that smokes -- an thus the "Japanese smoking paradox." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12889681#:~:targetText=The%20prevalence%20of%20cig arette%20smoking,('Japanese%20smoking%20paradox'). There is clearly a genetic component.

-- Jay Beattie.


That is a crap article. The death rates from cancer in Japan is only about 10% lower than in the US.

http://healthhubs.net/cancer/cancer-...ared-to-japan/

It turns out that short people as a rule get far less incidence of cancers of the most common sort. I have not seen any studies of the AMOUNT that Japanese smoke as opposed to American either. My father was smoking 8 packs a day. So were my uncles and most smokers I knew used at least 2 packs a day. Since this was mostly an American product I would guess that Japanese used it as a special gift hence smoke a great deal less.

As you can see - the Japanese have a MUCH higher incidence of the most deadly cancers.
  #24  
Old November 16th 19, 12:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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Posts: 2,421
Default Gresham's Law

On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:16:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 5:29:32 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/14/2019 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/14/2019 5:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:38:49 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 November 2019 12:53:56 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski* wrote:
On 11/14/2019 11:43 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

We had a good non-currency example of this recently when PG&E turned
off the electric power for a few days to allegedly prevent starting
forest fires.* The necessity and demand for generators immediately
rose.* Literally, the first day, the better quality generators were
gone from the stores, while the low quality generators was all one
could find, usually at artificially high prices.* Fortunately, it only
lasted about two weeks, as the stores were able to restock their
generators, at high prices, of course.* Did they restock with high
quality generators?* Nope.* Most of what I saw for sale at the local
big box stores was bottom of the line models.* It also produced a
supply of "broken" used generators for sale, some of which I've been
considering buying and reselling.* Most of them were trashed by E10
ethanol fuel left sitting in the carburetor and are an easy fix.

Decades ago, I read of a proposal for home heating and home power
generation by using home generators powered by natural gas. The big
efficiency boost would come from utilization of waste heat from the
generator, first to heat home water, then space heating. I suppose a
dedicated hobbyist could give it a try by modifying a commercial
generator to run on NG.

Similarly, the idea of "co-generation" was floated, in which small
local
plants could burn a variety of fuels - perhaps including trash - to
generate electricity for a community, and pipe waste heat into nearby
buildings.

If California had either of those systems running, PG&E problems would
have much less impact.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Wasn't there a city in Norway that built a garbage burning generating
station that was so successful along with recycling that they had to
import garbage from other areas in order to keep the generating plant
running?

Ah yes. Oslo, Norway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/w...to-energy.html


Cheers

That is interesting but I think it is likely that the Oslo plant must
be highly selective in the garbage that they burn as a number of
places in Asia have experimented in using garbage as fuel for a
electrical generation, Singapore comes to mind here, and the net
results is that it is not financially effective as natural gas or some
other fuel is needed to burn the garbage.

But it is possible that garbage in parts of Asia is actually different
from garbage in Europe. For example, we, here in Thailand, buy no
canned goods and almost no food stuffs packaged in plastic or paper.
Indonesia was similar and very probably Singapore and Malaysia are
also similar, and I suspect that China and Japan are similar.
--
cheers,

John B.


I don't know from Thailand or Singapore but the Japanese are the
absolute experts on municipal refuse incineration.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/yo...rning-in-Tokyo


http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph240/park-h2/

https://www.japan.go.jp/tomodachi/20...echnology.html


I saw impressive municipal incinerator operations in suburban Tokyo
almost 40 years ago and if anything they're even better at it now.

And regarding Joerg's worries (else-thread) about air pollution, the
Japanese have close to the world's highest life expectancy.


And a low lung cancer rate for a population that smokes -- an thus the "Japanese smoking paradox." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12889681#:~:targetText=The%20prevalence%20of%20cig arette%20smoking,('Japanese%20smoking%20paradox'). There is clearly a genetic component.

-- Jay Beattie.


That is a crap article. The death rates from cancer in Japan is only about 10% lower than in the US.

http://healthhubs.net/cancer/cancer-...ared-to-japan/

It turns out that short people as a rule get far less incidence of cancers of the most common sort. I have not seen any studies of the AMOUNT that Japanese smoke as opposed to American either. My father was smoking 8 packs a day. So were my uncles and most smokers I knew used at least 2 packs a day. Since this was mostly an American product I would guess that Japanese used it as a special gift hence smoke a great deal less.

As you can see - the Japanese have a MUCH higher incidence of the most deadly cancers.



Interesting as the World Cancer Research Fund has somewhat different
figures:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-uk-rate-drops
The U.S. is reported to have 335/100,000 male cases of cancer while
Japan has 247.3/100,000
Note: The Japanese did not report female cancer rates.

The U.S. was listed as the 7th highest cancer rate in the world (7th
out of 59 countries) while Japan was listed as one of the lowest (51st
out of 59 countries).

The WCRF state that the highest rates have been noted in 'high-income
countries' and put this down to a variety of reasons; "This is likely
to be partly because high-income countries are better at diagnosing
and recording new cases of cancer. But a large part of the reason is
also that high-income countries tend to have higher levels of obesity
and alcohol consumption, and lower levels of physical activity."

--
cheers,

John B.

  #25  
Old November 16th 19, 12:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 11/15/2019 5:19 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:16:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 5:29:32 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/14/2019 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/14/2019 5:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:38:49 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 November 2019 12:53:56 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/14/2019 11:43 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

We had a good non-currency example of this recently when PG&E turned
off the electric power for a few days to allegedly prevent starting
forest fires. The necessity and demand for generators immediately
rose. Literally, the first day, the better quality generators were
gone from the stores, while the low quality generators was all one
could find, usually at artificially high prices. Fortunately, it only
lasted about two weeks, as the stores were able to restock their
generators, at high prices, of course. Did they restock with high
quality generators? Nope. Most of what I saw for sale at the local
big box stores was bottom of the line models. It also produced a
supply of "broken" used generators for sale, some of which I've been
considering buying and reselling. Most of them were trashed by E10
ethanol fuel left sitting in the carburetor and are an easy fix.

Decades ago, I read of a proposal for home heating and home power
generation by using home generators powered by natural gas. The big
efficiency boost would come from utilization of waste heat from the
generator, first to heat home water, then space heating. I suppose a
dedicated hobbyist could give it a try by modifying a commercial
generator to run on NG.

Similarly, the idea of "co-generation" was floated, in which small
local
plants could burn a variety of fuels - perhaps including trash - to
generate electricity for a community, and pipe waste heat into nearby
buildings.

If California had either of those systems running, PG&E problems would
have much less impact.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Wasn't there a city in Norway that built a garbage burning generating
station that was so successful along with recycling that they had to
import garbage from other areas in order to keep the generating plant
running?

Ah yes. Oslo, Norway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/w...to-energy.html


Cheers

That is interesting but I think it is likely that the Oslo plant must
be highly selective in the garbage that they burn as a number of
places in Asia have experimented in using garbage as fuel for a
electrical generation, Singapore comes to mind here, and the net
results is that it is not financially effective as natural gas or some
other fuel is needed to burn the garbage.

But it is possible that garbage in parts of Asia is actually different
from garbage in Europe. For example, we, here in Thailand, buy no
canned goods and almost no food stuffs packaged in plastic or paper.
Indonesia was similar and very probably Singapore and Malaysia are
also similar, and I suspect that China and Japan are similar.
--
cheers,

John B.


I don't know from Thailand or Singapore but the Japanese are the
absolute experts on municipal refuse incineration.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/yo...rning-in-Tokyo


http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph240/park-h2/

https://www.japan.go.jp/tomodachi/20...echnology.html


I saw impressive municipal incinerator operations in suburban Tokyo
almost 40 years ago and if anything they're even better at it now.

And regarding Joerg's worries (else-thread) about air pollution, the
Japanese have close to the world's highest life expectancy.

And a low lung cancer rate for a population that smokes -- an thus the "Japanese smoking paradox." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12889681#:~:targetText=The%20prevalence%20of%20cig arette%20smoking,('Japanese%20smoking%20paradox'). There is clearly a genetic component.

-- Jay Beattie.


That is a crap article. The death rates from cancer in Japan is only about 10% lower than in the US.

http://healthhubs.net/cancer/cancer-...ared-to-japan/

It turns out that short people as a rule get far less incidence of cancers of the most common sort. I have not seen any studies of the AMOUNT that Japanese smoke as opposed to American either. My father was smoking 8 packs a day. So were my uncles and most smokers I knew used at least 2 packs a day. Since this was mostly an American product I would guess that Japanese used it as a special gift hence smoke a great deal less.

As you can see - the Japanese have a MUCH higher incidence of the most deadly cancers.



Interesting as the World Cancer Research Fund has somewhat different
figures:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-uk-rate-drops
The U.S. is reported to have 335/100,000 male cases of cancer while
Japan has 247.3/100,000
Note: The Japanese did not report female cancer rates.

The U.S. was listed as the 7th highest cancer rate in the world (7th
out of 59 countries) while Japan was listed as one of the lowest (51st
out of 59 countries).

The WCRF state that the highest rates have been noted in 'high-income
countries' and put this down to a variety of reasons; "This is likely
to be partly because high-income countries are better at diagnosing
and recording new cases of cancer. But a large part of the reason is
also that high-income countries tend to have higher levels of obesity
and alcohol consumption, and lower levels of physical activity."


One trouble with rankings is that they're dynamic (others
are variances in definitions/methodology). Take Mexico for
example:
https://renewbariatrics.com/mexico-obesity-statistics/

with a formerly slim population. That ended.

Wisconsin was, just a few years ago, the fattest State in
the US of A and among the top in alcohol consumption per
capita. Neither is true now. Not that my neighbors are
slimmer or more sober- other populations seem to have gone
more astray than here.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #26  
Old November 16th 19, 01:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
news18
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 07:07:47 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 2:52:53 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/14/2019 4:32 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 1:18:39 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/contine...c-bike-market-

product/



From the link:
"Dandelion root extract makes up part of the formula, which it is
hoped will revolutionise the tyre compound and lessen the reliance on
polluting rubber."

Ladies and gentlmen, if you'll look out of the window, you'll notice
we're now entering leprechaun land.

Andre Jute Special Witch Doctor Kit with Optional Dandelion Root
Extract now only $29.95 plus six offbrand cola tops


The National Socialist Germans worked with dandelion for a rubber
substitute/extender during the war. It's not ridiculous although maybe
not so cost effective.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Dandelions are becoming one of the most difficult weeds to kill. I've
tried every weed killer from Ace Hardware to RoundUp with no effect. I'm
about to go back to good old kerosene.


A knife and crown them. Less effort than the whole spraying rigamorole.
  #27  
Old November 16th 19, 02:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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Posts: 2,421
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:35:56 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 11/15/2019 5:19 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:16:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 5:29:32 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/14/2019 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/14/2019 5:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:38:49 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 November 2019 12:53:56 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/14/2019 11:43 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

We had a good non-currency example of this recently when PG&E turned
off the electric power for a few days to allegedly prevent starting
forest fires. The necessity and demand for generators immediately
rose. Literally, the first day, the better quality generators were
gone from the stores, while the low quality generators was all one
could find, usually at artificially high prices. Fortunately, it only
lasted about two weeks, as the stores were able to restock their
generators, at high prices, of course. Did they restock with high
quality generators? Nope. Most of what I saw for sale at the local
big box stores was bottom of the line models. It also produced a
supply of "broken" used generators for sale, some of which I've been
considering buying and reselling. Most of them were trashed by E10
ethanol fuel left sitting in the carburetor and are an easy fix.

Decades ago, I read of a proposal for home heating and home power
generation by using home generators powered by natural gas. The big
efficiency boost would come from utilization of waste heat from the
generator, first to heat home water, then space heating. I suppose a
dedicated hobbyist could give it a try by modifying a commercial
generator to run on NG.

Similarly, the idea of "co-generation" was floated, in which small
local
plants could burn a variety of fuels - perhaps including trash - to
generate electricity for a community, and pipe waste heat into nearby
buildings.

If California had either of those systems running, PG&E problems would
have much less impact.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Wasn't there a city in Norway that built a garbage burning generating
station that was so successful along with recycling that they had to
import garbage from other areas in order to keep the generating plant
running?

Ah yes. Oslo, Norway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/w...to-energy.html


Cheers

That is interesting but I think it is likely that the Oslo plant must
be highly selective in the garbage that they burn as a number of
places in Asia have experimented in using garbage as fuel for a
electrical generation, Singapore comes to mind here, and the net
results is that it is not financially effective as natural gas or some
other fuel is needed to burn the garbage.

But it is possible that garbage in parts of Asia is actually different
from garbage in Europe. For example, we, here in Thailand, buy no
canned goods and almost no food stuffs packaged in plastic or paper.
Indonesia was similar and very probably Singapore and Malaysia are
also similar, and I suspect that China and Japan are similar.
--
cheers,

John B.


I don't know from Thailand or Singapore but the Japanese are the
absolute experts on municipal refuse incineration.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/yo...rning-in-Tokyo


http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph240/park-h2/

https://www.japan.go.jp/tomodachi/20...echnology.html


I saw impressive municipal incinerator operations in suburban Tokyo
almost 40 years ago and if anything they're even better at it now.

And regarding Joerg's worries (else-thread) about air pollution, the
Japanese have close to the world's highest life expectancy.

And a low lung cancer rate for a population that smokes -- an thus the "Japanese smoking paradox." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12889681#:~:targetText=The%20prevalence%20of%20cig arette%20smoking,('Japanese%20smoking%20paradox'). There is clearly a genetic component.

-- Jay Beattie.

That is a crap article. The death rates from cancer in Japan is only about 10% lower than in the US.

http://healthhubs.net/cancer/cancer-...ared-to-japan/

It turns out that short people as a rule get far less incidence of cancers of the most common sort. I have not seen any studies of the AMOUNT that Japanese smoke as opposed to American either. My father was smoking 8 packs a day. So were my uncles and most smokers I knew used at least 2 packs a day. Since this was mostly an American product I would guess that Japanese used it as a special gift hence smoke a great deal less.

As you can see - the Japanese have a MUCH higher incidence of the most deadly cancers.



Interesting as the World Cancer Research Fund has somewhat different
figures:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-uk-rate-drops
The U.S. is reported to have 335/100,000 male cases of cancer while
Japan has 247.3/100,000
Note: The Japanese did not report female cancer rates.

The U.S. was listed as the 7th highest cancer rate in the world (7th
out of 59 countries) while Japan was listed as one of the lowest (51st
out of 59 countries).

The WCRF state that the highest rates have been noted in 'high-income
countries' and put this down to a variety of reasons; "This is likely
to be partly because high-income countries are better at diagnosing
and recording new cases of cancer. But a large part of the reason is
also that high-income countries tend to have higher levels of obesity
and alcohol consumption, and lower levels of physical activity."


One trouble with rankings is that they're dynamic (others
are variances in definitions/methodology). Take Mexico for
example:
https://renewbariatrics.com/mexico-obesity-statistics/

with a formerly slim population. That ended.

Wisconsin was, just a few years ago, the fattest State in
the US of A and among the top in alcohol consumption per
capita. Neither is true now. Not that my neighbors are
slimmer or more sober- other populations seem to have gone
more astray than here.


Another point is that many, perhaps most, of these "studies" are not
actually counting all the heads but rather counting heads in a
selected group and that using it to estimate a figure for the total
population. Whether this is in any way accurate is debatably.
--
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John B.

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Old November 17th 19, 04:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jeff Liebermann
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:08:19 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
wrote:

Official on-topic news: HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU AREN'T WEARING DANDELION MILK?
Dandelion milk contains latex, as does bicycle clothing.


Nope. Bicycle clothing is made from Lycra or Spandex, which are at
least 85% polyurethane. Latex is made from rubber. It can be molded
using liquid latex, or sewn, glued, or ultrasonically welded using
sheet Latex material.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/polyurethane-fiber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latex_clothing
Hmmm... interesting looking bicycle attire.

Buna


I think you mean Buna-N, nitrile rubber, acrylonitrile butadiene, or
NBR.

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Old November 17th 19, 06:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:08:19 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
wrote:

Official on-topic news: HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU AREN'T WEARING DANDELION MILK?
Dandelion milk contains latex, as does bicycle clothing.


Nope. Bicycle clothing is made from Lycra or Spandex, which are at
least 85% polyurethane. Latex is made from rubber. It can be molded
using liquid latex, or sewn, glued, or ultrasonically welded using
sheet Latex material.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/polyurethane-fiber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latex_clothing
Hmmm... interesting looking bicycle attire.

Buna


I think you mean Buna-N, nitrile rubber, acrylonitrile butadiene, or
NBR.

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Jeff, the ELASTIC bands in most bicycle clothing are pure latex. I think that I even see occasional warnings about this since some people are allergic to it.
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Old November 17th 19, 07:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jeff Liebermann
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On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 09:49:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Jeff, the ELASTIC bands in most bicycle clothing are pure latex.
I think that I even see occasional warnings about this since
some people are allergic to it.


Sure, but the latex elastic rubber bands are covered with cloth or
Spandex (urethane) and do not touch the skin. If you really want all
Latex bike shorts, you could make your own:

"Latex Bike Short Tutorial"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRlQyDnL3M8
http://www.mjtrends.com/articles.php

I haven't seen anyone wearing a shiny rubber B&D costume while bicycle
riding, but it is possible:
"Rubber Cycle Shorts"
https://www.invinciblerubber.com/rubber-cycle-shorts
Yech, not good. The shoelaces might get tangles in the gears.



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