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1st century done
On 29 May, 22:49, Jay Beattie wrote:
On May 29, 1:46*pm, AMuzi wrote: semi-ambivalent wrote: On May 29, 8:59 am, thirty-six wrote: On 29 May, 12:04, Mark Cleary wrote: Actually the butt was not that sore now that I think about it and not a problem. I just did not take enough liquid. I drank 2 bottles of 23 ounces each and then another 32 ounces at 75 miles. Not nearly enough and I should know better. I put away over 120 ounces of liquid in 8 hours after the ride. I probably got away with this because years of distance running I can go without but this can be dangerous. I carb-loaded and this increases the water in the body too the day before. I base expected fluid intake at 20oz per hour taking a mouthful or so every 1/4hr average. *So by this reckoning you should have had another 40oz while on the bike. *The fact that you took so much water following could be partially due to the previous days carbo loading. Even simple carb loading takes 3 days for proper glycogen uptake and you should ride a little while you are carbo loading for greatest glycogen uptake. *Not hard, just enough to get your muscles warmed up. *Drink at least equal volumes of fluid to solid food. If you dont drink enough during and after carbo loading your blood will be thick as your muscles take in water. *If you drink enough to pee straw coloured about 24oz every couple hours during the day then that is probably enough in the preceding 24hrs. *Keep a check on your increase in body weight in the three days loading and aim to get at least that the next time. I was not really beat at least to do any sleeping. I ended up not really napping and staying up 90 minutes later than normal. To do a 100 for time I think I would rather try a 25 mile loop course I have and do this 4 times. At least I pass by my house each 25 so I could really explore pressing the pace. Seems like your training yourself up to race. *Cycling can be enjoyable without racing. *If the speed comes let it happen but don't beat yourself up chasing speed. Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires, my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order. If you mean swap them, there is no point to, you also risk damaging them and putting a stressed possibly cut rear tyre on the front could really be asking for trouble. * Better to have specific front and rear tyres such as 23 in front and 28mm at the back. Admittedly, my racing days were a long time ago, and the science has changed, perhaps a lot. But back then we drew a distinction between 'carbo loading' and 'eating a lot of pasta'. Eating pasta will certainly restore glycogen levels, but I would first do a period of glycogen depletion, then loading. It was alleged to create a sort of rebound effect that allowed you to store more glycogen that if you had not done the prior depletion phase. Your mood would be rather prickly and your breath tended to smell different (protein metabolism I imagine) but it wasn't too bad. I think fluids are more critical and these days you can stir in some stuff that will pass for nourishment, if not for food. It works. Props to the OP for a great job on the first hundred. "the science has changed, perhaps a lot. " Yes, now we have EPO. Where can I get EPO and the other exotica that will make me unbeatable on the five mile commute to work or fifty mile weekend rides? I want to kick ass! Totally OT, but I was riding around today out in the countryside huffing and puffing up hills, and all I could think about was watching Basso in the Giro, flying up hills 20mph after 5 or 6 hours in the saddle. What a freak! *He has to be clean after his suspension or else on some new age stealth drug. *If he is, I want some. -- Jay Beattie Campari? |
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1st century done
On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On May 29, 1:46 pm, AMuzi wrote: semi-ambivalent wrote: On May 29, 8:59 am, thirty-six wrote: On 29 May, 12:04, Mark Cleary wrote: Actually the butt was not that sore now that I think about it and not a problem. I just did not take enough liquid. I drank 2 bottles of 23 ounces each and then another 32 ounces at 75 miles. Not nearly enough and I should know better. I put away over 120 ounces of liquid in 8 hours after the ride. I probably got away with this because years of distance running I can go without but this can be dangerous. I carb-loaded and this increases the water in the body too the day before. I base expected fluid intake at 20oz per hour taking a mouthful or so every 1/4hr average. So by this reckoning you should have had another 40oz while on the bike. The fact that you took so much water following could be partially due to the previous days carbo loading. Even simple carb loading takes 3 days for proper glycogen uptake and you should ride a little while you are carbo loading for greatest glycogen uptake. Not hard, just enough to get your muscles warmed up. Drink at least equal volumes of fluid to solid food. If you dont drink enough during and after carbo loading your blood will be thick as your muscles take in water. If you drink enough to pee straw coloured about 24oz every couple hours during the day then that is probably enough in the preceding 24hrs. Keep a check on your increase in body weight in the three days loading and aim to get at least that the next time. I was not really beat at least to do any sleeping. I ended up not really napping and staying up 90 minutes later than normal. To do a 100 for time I think I would rather try a 25 mile loop course I have and do this 4 times. At least I pass by my house each 25 so I could really explore pressing the pace. Seems like your training yourself up to race. Cycling can be enjoyable without racing. If the speed comes let it happen but don't beat yourself up chasing speed. Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires, my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order. If you mean swap them, there is no point to, you also risk damaging them and putting a stressed possibly cut rear tyre on the front could really be asking for trouble. Better to have specific front and rear tyres such as 23 in front and 28mm at the back. Admittedly, my racing days were a long time ago, and the science has changed, perhaps a lot. But back then we drew a distinction between 'carbo loading' and 'eating a lot of pasta'. Eating pasta will certainly restore glycogen levels, but I would first do a period of glycogen depletion, then loading. It was alleged to create a sort of rebound effect that allowed you to store more glycogen that if you had not done the prior depletion phase. Your mood would be rather prickly and your breath tended to smell different (protein metabolism I imagine) but it wasn't too bad. I think fluids are more critical and these days you can stir in some stuff that will pass for nourishment, if not for food. It works. Props to the OP for a great job on the first hundred. "the science has changed, perhaps a lot. " Yes, now we have EPO. Where can I get EPO and the other exotica that will make me unbeatable on the five mile commute to work or fifty mile weekend rides? I want to kick ass! Seems strange, but I have not been passed by another bicycle since... um, I'm pretty sure it's been well over a year (many thousands of miles). And I ride a big ol' touring bike loaded down to the point... well, this guy who sees me parking downtown sometimes asked me if I was running away from home :-) I think it's just 'cause gas prices went back down below $3 and nobody else is riding bike. (I'm not that fast.) Totally OT, but I was riding around today out in the countryside huffing and puffing up hills, and all I could think about was watching Basso in the Giro, flying up hills 20mph after 5 or 6 hours in the saddle. What a freak! He has to be clean after his suspension or else on some new age stealth drug. If he is, I want some. -- Jay Beattie Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding, but Power bars don't, and they work really well. I don't swap tires anymore. Did that once - worked okay, although the flat-top profile from rear tire wear felt a little weird on the front. Now I just replace tires right where they are when they need it. |
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On May 29, 8:34*pm, Dan O wrote:
On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On May 29, 1:46 pm, AMuzi wrote: semi-ambivalent wrote: On May 29, 8:59 am, thirty-six wrote: On 29 May, 12:04, Mark Cleary wrote: Actually the butt was not that sore now that I think about it and not a problem. I just did not take enough liquid. I drank 2 bottles of 23 ounces each and then another 32 ounces at 75 miles. Not nearly enough and I should know better. I put away over 120 ounces of liquid in 8 hours after the ride. I probably got away with this because years of distance running I can go without but this can be dangerous. I carb-loaded and this increases the water in the body too the day before. I base expected fluid intake at 20oz per hour taking a mouthful or so every 1/4hr average. *So by this reckoning you should have had another 40oz while on the bike. *The fact that you took so much water following could be partially due to the previous days carbo loading. Even simple carb loading takes 3 days for proper glycogen uptake and you should ride a little while you are carbo loading for greatest glycogen uptake. *Not hard, just enough to get your muscles warmed up. *Drink at least equal volumes of fluid to solid food. If you dont drink enough during and after carbo loading your blood will be thick as your muscles take in water. *If you drink enough to pee straw coloured about 24oz every couple hours during the day then that is probably enough in the preceding 24hrs. *Keep a check on your increase in body weight in the three days loading and aim to get at least that the next time. I was not really beat at least to do any sleeping. I ended up not really napping and staying up 90 minutes later than normal. To do a 100 for time I think I would rather try a 25 mile loop course I have and do this 4 times. At least I pass by my house each 25 so I could really explore pressing the pace. Seems like your training yourself up to race. *Cycling can be enjoyable without racing. *If the speed comes let it happen but don't beat yourself up chasing speed. Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires, my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order. If you mean swap them, there is no point to, you also risk damaging them and putting a stressed possibly cut rear tyre on the front could really be asking for trouble. * Better to have specific front and rear tyres such as 23 in front and 28mm at the back. Admittedly, my racing days were a long time ago, and the science has changed, perhaps a lot. But back then we drew a distinction between 'carbo loading' and 'eating a lot of pasta'. Eating pasta will certainly restore glycogen levels, but I would first do a period of glycogen depletion, then loading. It was alleged to create a sort of rebound effect that allowed you to store more glycogen that if you had not done the prior depletion phase. Your mood would be rather prickly and your breath tended to smell different (protein metabolism I imagine) but it wasn't too bad. I think fluids are more critical and these days you can stir in some stuff that will pass for nourishment, if not for food. It works. Props to the OP for a great job on the first hundred. "the science has changed, perhaps a lot. " Yes, now we have EPO. Where can I get EPO and the other exotica that will make me unbeatable on the five mile commute to work or fifty mile weekend rides? I want to kick ass! Seems strange, but I have not been passed by another bicycle since... um, I'm pretty sure it's been well over a year (many thousands of miles). *And I ride a big ol' touring bike loaded down to the point... well, this guy who sees me parking downtown sometimes asked me if I was running away from home :-) Dan O, come up to PDX. You can get passed by entire teams. I usually jump in and ride along, but really, you can be riding on Skyline, and turn to spit, and there is a whole peleton passing. You have to make sure not to startle and weave. Even if you can knock out big watts, a group of ten or fifteen riders will reel you in if they want -- and they often do. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Tire Rotation, was: 1st century done
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Joy Beeson wrote: On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_° wrote: On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote: [...] Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires, my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order. [...] Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html. I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. A tire wears out, I replace it. Why would I want to "rotate"? As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. Takes three to make a circle. (I'm also a retired math teacher.) We can rotate by pi radian. Take (x, y) in R^2. Swap: T(x, y) = (-x, y). Rotate: T(x, y) = (-x, - y). The first transformation has determinant -1. The second transformation has determinant 1 and is a rotation. -- Michael Press |
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On May 29, 9:34*pm, Dan O wrote:
On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote: Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding, but Power bars don't, and they work really well. This is my experience too. Also, I quit putting milk in the pre-ride oatmeal. What a change. sa |
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On 30 May, 14:31, semi-ambivalent wrote:
On May 29, 9:34*pm, Dan O wrote: On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote: Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding, but Power bars don't, and they work really well. This is my experience too. Also, I quit putting milk in the pre-ride oatmeal. What a change. sa Well yes, it's the only way to boil the oatmeal (in good water) to get the creaminess. Wierd. |
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On May 30, 11:37*am, thirty-six wrote:
On 30 May, 14:31, semi-ambivalent wrote: On May 29, 9:34*pm, Dan O wrote: On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote: Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding, but Power bars don't, and they work really well. This is my experience too. Also, I quit putting milk in the pre-ride oatmeal. What a change. sa Well yes, it's the only way to boil the oatmeal (in good water) to get the creaminess. Wierd. Not intending to start an oatmeal thread here, but you mentioned creaminess, rather than 'pastiness' so you must be a connoisseur. Of late we have been getting a brand of oatmeal called Coach's Oats from our local Costco. It's actually microwavable and edible at the same time. But you're right, boiled in water is the way to go. Once you get past the rolled/steel cut argument of course. sa |
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Tire Rotation, was: 1st century done
On May 30, 5:25*am, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_° wrote: On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote: [...] Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires, my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order. [...] Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html. I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. *A tire wears out, I replace it. *Why would I want to "rotate"? * As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. * Takes three to make a circle. *(I'm also a retired math teacher.) * Three points may define a circle, but you can draw a circle through any 2 points. James. |
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Tire Rotation, was: 1st century done
On 2010-05-30, James wrote:
On May 30, 5:25*am, Joy Beeson wrote: On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_° wrote: On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote: [...] Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires, my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order. [...] Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html. I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. *A tire wears out, I replace it. *Why would I want to "rotate"? * As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. * Takes three to make a circle. *(I'm also a retired math teacher.) * Three points may define a circle, but you can draw a circle through any 2 points. As quibbles go, I have to say that's poor. Can you think of any example of anything that may be defined by (any) n points that cannot be drawn through any n-1? This idea that you can't rotate bike tyres is interesting though. I went for a ride today and I could have sworn they were rotating pretty much the whole time. |
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Tire Rotation, was: 1st century done
Ben C wrote:
:On 2010-05-30, James wrote: : On May 30, 5:25*am, Joy Beeson wrote: : On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_° : : wrote: : On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote: : [...] : Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires, : my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order. : [...] : : Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html. : : I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. *A tire wears out, : I replace it. *Why would I want to "rotate"? * : : As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the : Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out : that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. * Takes three to : make a circle. *(I'm also a retired math teacher.) * : : Three points may define a circle, but you can draw a circle through : any 2 points. :As quibbles go, I have to say that's poor. Can you think of any example f anything that may be defined by (any) n points that cannot be drawn :through any n-1? :This idea that you can't rotate bike tyres is interesting though. I went :for a ride today and I could have sworn they were rotating pretty much :the whole time. In my experience, bad things happen when they stop rotating. -- sig 2 |
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