1st century done

On 29 May, 22:49, Jay Beattie wrote:
On May 29, 1:46*pm, AMuzi wrote:



semi-ambivalent wrote:
On May 29, 8:59 am, thirty-six wrote:
On 29 May, 12:04, Mark Cleary wrote:

Actually the butt was not that sore now that I think about it and not a
problem. I just did not take enough liquid. I drank 2 bottles of 23
ounces each and then another 32 ounces at 75 miles. Not nearly enough and
I should know better. I put away over 120 ounces of liquid in 8 hours
after the ride. I probably got away with this because years of distance
running I can go without but this can be dangerous. I carb-loaded and
this increases the water in the body too the day before.
I base expected fluid intake at 20oz per hour taking a mouthful or so
every 1/4hr average. *So by this reckoning you should have had another
40oz while on the bike. *The fact that you took so much water
following could be partially due to the previous days carbo loading.
Even simple carb loading takes 3 days for proper glycogen uptake and
you should ride a little while you are carbo loading for greatest
glycogen uptake. *Not hard, just enough to get your muscles warmed
up. *Drink at least equal volumes of fluid to solid food. If you dont
drink enough during and after carbo loading your blood will be thick
as your muscles take in water. *If you drink enough to pee straw
coloured about 24oz every couple hours during the day then that is
probably enough in the preceding 24hrs. *Keep a check on your increase
in body weight in the three days loading and aim to get at least that
the next time.

I was not really beat at least to do any sleeping. I ended up not really
napping and staying up 90 minutes later than normal. To do a 100 for
time I think I would rather try a 25 mile loop course I have and do this
4 times. At least I pass by my house each 25 so I could really explore
pressing the pace.
Seems like your training yourself up to race. *Cycling can be
enjoyable without racing. *If the speed comes let it happen but don't
beat yourself up chasing speed.

Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires,
my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order.
If you mean swap them, there is no point to, you also risk damaging
them and putting a stressed possibly cut rear tyre on the front could
really be asking for trouble. * Better to have specific front and rear
tyres such as 23 in front and 28mm at the back.

Admittedly, my racing days were a long time ago, and the science has
changed, perhaps a lot. But back then we drew a distinction between
'carbo loading' and 'eating a lot of pasta'. Eating pasta will
certainly restore glycogen levels, but I would first do a period of
glycogen depletion, then loading. It was alleged to create a sort of
rebound effect that allowed you to store more glycogen that if you had
not done the prior depletion phase. Your mood would be rather prickly
and your breath tended to smell different (protein metabolism I
imagine) but it wasn't too bad. I think fluids are more critical and
these days you can stir in some stuff that will pass for nourishment,
if not for food. It works. Props to the OP for a great job on the
first hundred.

"the science has changed, perhaps a lot. "

Yes, now we have EPO.

Where can I get EPO and the other exotica that will make me unbeatable
on the five mile commute to work or fifty mile weekend rides? I want
to kick ass!

Totally OT, but I was riding around today out in the countryside
huffing and puffing up hills, and all I could think about was watching
Basso in the Giro, flying up hills 20mph after 5 or 6 hours in the
saddle. What a freak! *He has to be clean after his suspension or else
on some new age stealth drug. *If he is, I want some. -- Jay Beattie

Campari?

On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On May 29, 1:46 pm, AMuzi wrote:



semi-ambivalent wrote:
On May 29, 8:59 am, thirty-six wrote:
On 29 May, 12:04, Mark Cleary wrote:

Actually the butt was not that sore now that I think about it and not a
problem. I just did not take enough liquid. I drank 2 bottles of 23
ounces each and then another 32 ounces at 75 miles. Not nearly enough and
I should know better. I put away over 120 ounces of liquid in 8 hours
after the ride. I probably got away with this because years of distance
running I can go without but this can be dangerous. I carb-loaded and
this increases the water in the body too the day before.
I base expected fluid intake at 20oz per hour taking a mouthful or so
every 1/4hr average. So by this reckoning you should have had another
40oz while on the bike. The fact that you took so much water
following could be partially due to the previous days carbo loading.
Even simple carb loading takes 3 days for proper glycogen uptake and
you should ride a little while you are carbo loading for greatest
glycogen uptake. Not hard, just enough to get your muscles warmed
up. Drink at least equal volumes of fluid to solid food. If you dont
drink enough during and after carbo loading your blood will be thick
as your muscles take in water. If you drink enough to pee straw
coloured about 24oz every couple hours during the day then that is
probably enough in the preceding 24hrs. Keep a check on your increase
in body weight in the three days loading and aim to get at least that
the next time.

I was not really beat at least to do any sleeping. I ended up not really
napping and staying up 90 minutes later than normal. To do a 100 for
time I think I would rather try a 25 mile loop course I have and do this
4 times. At least I pass by my house each 25 so I could really explore
pressing the pace.
Seems like your training yourself up to race. Cycling can be
enjoyable without racing. If the speed comes let it happen but don't
beat yourself up chasing speed.

Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires,
my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order.
If you mean swap them, there is no point to, you also risk damaging
them and putting a stressed possibly cut rear tyre on the front could
really be asking for trouble. Better to have specific front and rear
tyres such as 23 in front and 28mm at the back.

Admittedly, my racing days were a long time ago, and the science has
changed, perhaps a lot. But back then we drew a distinction between
'carbo loading' and 'eating a lot of pasta'. Eating pasta will
certainly restore glycogen levels, but I would first do a period of
glycogen depletion, then loading. It was alleged to create a sort of
rebound effect that allowed you to store more glycogen that if you had
not done the prior depletion phase. Your mood would be rather prickly
and your breath tended to smell different (protein metabolism I
imagine) but it wasn't too bad. I think fluids are more critical and
these days you can stir in some stuff that will pass for nourishment,
if not for food. It works. Props to the OP for a great job on the
first hundred.

"the science has changed, perhaps a lot. "

Yes, now we have EPO.

Where can I get EPO and the other exotica that will make me unbeatable
on the five mile commute to work or fifty mile weekend rides? I want
to kick ass!

Seems strange, but I have not been passed by another bicycle since...
um, I'm pretty sure it's been well over a year (many thousands of
miles). And I ride a big ol' touring bike loaded down to the point...
well, this guy who sees me parking downtown sometimes asked me if I
was running away from home :-)

I think it's just 'cause gas prices went back down below $3 and nobody
else is riding bike. (I'm not that fast.)


Totally OT, but I was riding around today out in the countryside
huffing and puffing up hills, and all I could think about was watching
Basso in the Giro, flying up hills 20mph after 5 or 6 hours in the
saddle. What a freak! He has to be clean after his suspension or else
on some new age stealth drug. If he is, I want some. -- Jay Beattie

Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding,
but Power bars don't, and they work really well.

I don't swap tires anymore. Did that once - worked okay, although the
flat-top profile from rear tire wear felt a little weird on the
front. Now I just replace tires right where they are when they need
it.

On May 29, 8:34*pm, Dan O wrote:
On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote:





On May 29, 1:46 pm, AMuzi wrote:

semi-ambivalent wrote:
On May 29, 8:59 am, thirty-six wrote:
On 29 May, 12:04, Mark Cleary wrote:

Actually the butt was not that sore now that I think about it and not a
problem. I just did not take enough liquid. I drank 2 bottles of 23
ounces each and then another 32 ounces at 75 miles. Not nearly enough and
I should know better. I put away over 120 ounces of liquid in 8 hours
after the ride. I probably got away with this because years of distance
running I can go without but this can be dangerous. I carb-loaded and
this increases the water in the body too the day before.
I base expected fluid intake at 20oz per hour taking a mouthful or so
every 1/4hr average. *So by this reckoning you should have had another
40oz while on the bike. *The fact that you took so much water
following could be partially due to the previous days carbo loading.
Even simple carb loading takes 3 days for proper glycogen uptake and
you should ride a little while you are carbo loading for greatest
glycogen uptake. *Not hard, just enough to get your muscles warmed
up. *Drink at least equal volumes of fluid to solid food. If you dont
drink enough during and after carbo loading your blood will be thick
as your muscles take in water. *If you drink enough to pee straw
coloured about 24oz every couple hours during the day then that is
probably enough in the preceding 24hrs. *Keep a check on your increase
in body weight in the three days loading and aim to get at least that
the next time.

I was not really beat at least to do any sleeping. I ended up not really
napping and staying up 90 minutes later than normal. To do a 100 for
time I think I would rather try a 25 mile loop course I have and do this
4 times. At least I pass by my house each 25 so I could really explore
pressing the pace.
Seems like your training yourself up to race. *Cycling can be
enjoyable without racing. *If the speed comes let it happen but don't
beat yourself up chasing speed.

Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires,
my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order.
If you mean swap them, there is no point to, you also risk damaging
them and putting a stressed possibly cut rear tyre on the front could
really be asking for trouble. * Better to have specific front and rear
tyres such as 23 in front and 28mm at the back.

Admittedly, my racing days were a long time ago, and the science has
changed, perhaps a lot. But back then we drew a distinction between
'carbo loading' and 'eating a lot of pasta'. Eating pasta will
certainly restore glycogen levels, but I would first do a period of
glycogen depletion, then loading. It was alleged to create a sort of
rebound effect that allowed you to store more glycogen that if you had
not done the prior depletion phase. Your mood would be rather prickly
and your breath tended to smell different (protein metabolism I
imagine) but it wasn't too bad. I think fluids are more critical and
these days you can stir in some stuff that will pass for nourishment,
if not for food. It works. Props to the OP for a great job on the
first hundred.

"the science has changed, perhaps a lot. "

Yes, now we have EPO.

Where can I get EPO and the other exotica that will make me unbeatable
on the five mile commute to work or fifty mile weekend rides? I want
to kick ass!

Seems strange, but I have not been passed by another bicycle since...
um, I'm pretty sure it's been well over a year (many thousands of
miles). *And I ride a big ol' touring bike loaded down to the point...
well, this guy who sees me parking downtown sometimes asked me if I
was running away from home :-)

Dan O, come up to PDX. You can get passed by entire teams. I usually
jump in and ride along, but really, you can be riding on Skyline, and
turn to spit, and there is a whole peleton passing. You have to make
sure not to startle and weave. Even if you can knock out big watts, a
group of ten or fifteen riders will reel you in if they want -- and
they often do. -- Jay Beattie.

In article ,
Joy Beeson wrote:

On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote:

On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote:
[...]
Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires,
my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order.
[...]

Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html.

I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. A tire wears out,
I replace it. Why would I want to "rotate"?

As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the
Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out
that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. Takes three to
make a circle. (I'm also a retired math teacher.)

We can rotate by pi radian.
Take (x, y) in R^2.

Swap: T(x, y) = (-x, y).
Rotate: T(x, y) = (-x, - y).

The first transformation has determinant -1.
The second transformation has determinant 1
and is a rotation.

--
Michael Press

On May 29, 9:34*pm, Dan O wrote:
On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote:


Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding,
but Power bars don't, and they work really well.


This is my experience too. Also, I quit putting milk in the pre-ride
oatmeal. What a change.

sa

On 30 May, 14:31, semi-ambivalent wrote:
On May 29, 9:34*pm, Dan O wrote:

On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote:

Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding,
but Power bars don't, and they work really well.

This is my experience too. Also, I quit putting milk in the pre-ride
oatmeal. What a change.

sa

Well yes, it's the only way to boil the oatmeal (in good water) to get
the creaminess. Wierd.

On May 30, 11:37*am, thirty-six wrote:
On 30 May, 14:31, semi-ambivalent wrote:

On May 29, 9:34*pm, Dan O wrote:

On May 29, 2:49 pm, Jay Beattie wrote:

Clif bars kind of upset my tummy sometimes if I eat them while riding,
but Power bars don't, and they work really well.

This is my experience too. Also, I quit putting milk in the pre-ride
oatmeal. What a change.

sa

Well yes, it's the only way to boil the oatmeal (in good water) to get
the creaminess. Wierd.

Not intending to start an oatmeal thread here, but you mentioned
creaminess, rather than 'pastiness' so you must be a connoisseur. Of
late we have been getting a brand of oatmeal called Coach's Oats from
our local Costco. It's actually microwavable and edible at the same
time. But you're right, boiled in water is the way to go. Once you get
past the rolled/steel cut argument of course.

sa

On May 30, 5:25*am, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_°

wrote:
On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote:
[...]
Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires,
my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order.
[...]

Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html.

I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. *A tire wears out,
I replace it. *Why would I want to "rotate"? *

As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the
Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out
that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. * Takes three to
make a circle. *(I'm also a retired math teacher.) *

Three points may define a circle, but you can draw a circle through
any 2 points.

James.

On 2010-05-30, James wrote:
On May 30, 5:25*am, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_°

wrote:
On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote:
[...]
Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires,
my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order.
[...]

Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html.

I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. *A tire wears out,
I replace it. *Why would I want to "rotate"? *

As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the
Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out
that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. * Takes three to
make a circle. *(I'm also a retired math teacher.) *

Three points may define a circle, but you can draw a circle through
any 2 points.

As quibbles go, I have to say that's poor. Can you think of any example
of anything that may be defined by (any) n points that cannot be drawn
through any n-1?

This idea that you can't rotate bike tyres is interesting though. I went
for a ride today and I could have sworn they were rotating pretty much
the whole time.

Ben C wrote:
:On 2010-05-30, James wrote:
: On May 30, 5:25*am, Joy Beeson wrote:
: On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:45 -0500, Tom Sherman °_°
:
: wrote:
: On 5/29/2010 6:04 AM, Mark Cleary wrote:
: [...]
: Now the technical aspect of the post. I think I will rotate the tires,
: my Vred Tri comps have about 1000 miles on them so the rotate is in order.
: [...]
:
: Sheldon writes not to do so: http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html.
:
: I was startled by the concept when he mentioned it. *A tire wears out,
: I replace it. *Why would I want to "rotate"? *
:
: As a card-mailing member in good standing of the Society for the
: Preservation of English Language and Literature, I'd like to point out
: that you can't rotate bike tires -- you *swap* them. * Takes three to
: make a circle. *(I'm also a retired math teacher.) *
:
: Three points may define a circle, but you can draw a circle through
: any 2 points.

:As quibbles go, I have to say that's poor. Can you think of any example
f anything that may be defined by (any) n points that cannot be drawn
:through any n-1?

:This idea that you can't rotate bike tyres is interesting though. I went
:for a ride today and I could have sworn they were rotating pretty much
:the whole time.

In my experience, bad things happen when they stop rotating.

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