What's up with Bigha?

Anyone here own one?
How well their sales are going?
Anyone can feed any kind of informations..?

I've got two of them here for testing right now. Initial impression
is that they are heavy but very well made and the electronics are more
fun than I thought they'd be. The performance isn't record-breaking
but it's tolerable. Very easy to ride. The seat is different. Not
the most comfortable by any means but okay...


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:44:35 -0400, "Felix Audet"
wrote:

Anyone here own one?
How well their sales are going?
Anyone can feed any kind of informations..?





Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com

Will you pay $3000.00 to keep one of them?


'BentRider wrote:
I've got two of them here for testing right now. Initial impression
is that they are heavy but very well made and the electronics are more
fun than I thought they'd be. The performance isn't record-breaking
but it's tolerable. Very easy to ride. The seat is different. Not
the most comfortable by any means but okay...


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:44:35 -0400, "Felix Audet"
wrote:


Anyone here own one?
How well their sales are going?
Anyone can feed any kind of informations..?






Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com

That's not how it usually works for me. I rarely keep any test bikes
for more than a few months.

If you're asking if I think the bike is WORTH $3000, the jury is still
out. It probably is. There are certainly a lot of recumbents out
there that cost a lot more and aren't nearly as well made or as well
designed.

However, do we need a super high-end CLWB? Is this bike really even a
CLWB? Does it matter that it weighs so much? All questions that I
haven't answered yet and ones that most buyers will have to answer
individually.


On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:22:09 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love"
wrote:

Will you pay $3000.00 to keep one of them?


'BentRider wrote:
I've got two of them here for testing right now. Initial impression
is that they are heavy but very well made and the electronics are more
fun than I thought they'd be. The performance isn't record-breaking
but it's tolerable. Very easy to ride. The seat is different. Not
the most comfortable by any means but okay...


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:44:35 -0400, "Felix Audet"
wrote:


Anyone here own one?
How well their sales are going?
Anyone can feed any kind of informations..?






Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com



Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com

"'BentRider" wrote in message
...
Bigha Cost/Value
snip
There are certainly a lot of recumbents out
there that cost a lot more and aren't nearly as well made or as well
designed.

Interesting statement. Of course I'm wondering exactly which recumbents you
had in mind. I'll venture a guess. Were you thinking about a lot of
R-84's?

skip

Interesting statement. Of course I'm wondering exactly which recumbents you
had in mind. I'll venture a guess. Were you thinking about a lot of
R-84's?

skip

Interesting statement as in "I doubt it?". If you look around it
won't be hard to agree with Bryan. Angletech Cycles sell bikes that
are typically in the $4000 to $6500 range and while they are probably
very nice, they may not compare in quality, fit, finish, design, etc.
with the BiGHa. A Mountain Drive equipted Kett Weisel routinely sells
for well over $3,000. You already mentioned the R-84 and the list
goes on so I do not in fact find Bryan's statement "interesting". I
do find it realistic to say the least.

Edward Wong
Orlando, FL

P.S. I do want to clarify that my statements are in no way a slam
against Angletech Cycles, Hase or Lightning. They are all fine
companies and was merely trying to compare dollar for value of one
bike against another.

Are you going to fork out $3000.00 for a Bigha? If not, it is not worth
the price to you. I have heard a lot of glowing reviews of Bigha from
people who didn't have to pay for them, but not a single person who said
they would pay $3000.00 to keep the bike. If you are not willing to pay
for it, you obviously think it isn't worth it's cost. Can't you just say so?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand


'BentRider wrote:
That's not how it usually works for me. I rarely keep any test bikes
for more than a few months.

If you're asking if I think the bike is WORTH $3000, the jury is still
out. It probably is. There are certainly a lot of recumbents out
there that cost a lot more and aren't nearly as well made or as well
designed.

However, do we need a super high-end CLWB? Is this bike really even a
CLWB? Does it matter that it weighs so much? All questions that I
haven't answered yet and ones that most buyers will have to answer
individually.


On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:22:09 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love"
wrote:


Will you pay $3000.00 to keep one of them?


'BentRider wrote:

I've got two of them here for testing right now. Initial impression
is that they are heavy but very well made and the electronics are more
fun than I thought they'd be. The performance isn't record-breaking
but it's tolerable. Very easy to ride. The seat is different. Not
the most comfortable by any means but okay...


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:44:35 -0400, "Felix Audet"
wrote:



Anyone here own one?
How well their sales are going?
Anyone can feed any kind of informations..?






Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com



Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com

That's exactly what I said.

I said that the final decision is a very personal one. The quality of
the bike is easily worth the $3000 when compared to other recumbents.
As you said... whether it's worth it to YOU is your decision. The
bike isn't fast and never will be. Most of the other bikes in this
price range are performance bikes. There's never really been a bike
like this in this price range before. Hard to tell if anyone will buy
them or not.

As to whether I'll BUY it or not... That's not the way it works. I
don't usually pay for bikes in the conventional sense. I usually get
them through ad trades or something like that. Occasionally I do buy
bikes for personal use but usually not at retail. This shouldn't be a
shock to anyone.

The more appropriate question is if I'll keep it when I'm done. The
answer to that is not yet decided but I might keep one of them around.
I do like the bike quite a bit.


On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:52:44 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love"
wrote:

Are you going to fork out $3000.00 for a Bigha? If not, it is not worth
the price to you. I have heard a lot of glowing reviews of Bigha from
people who didn't have to pay for them, but not a single person who said
they would pay $3000.00 to keep the bike. If you are not willing to pay
for it, you obviously think it isn't worth it's cost. Can't you just say so?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand


'BentRider wrote:
That's not how it usually works for me. I rarely keep any test bikes
for more than a few months.

If you're asking if I think the bike is WORTH $3000, the jury is still
out. It probably is. There are certainly a lot of recumbents out
there that cost a lot more and aren't nearly as well made or as well
designed.

However, do we need a super high-end CLWB? Is this bike really even a
CLWB? Does it matter that it weighs so much? All questions that I
haven't answered yet and ones that most buyers will have to answer
individually.


On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:22:09 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love"
wrote:


Will you pay $3000.00 to keep one of them?


'BentRider wrote:

I've got two of them here for testing right now. Initial impression
is that they are heavy but very well made and the electronics are more
fun than I thought they'd be. The performance isn't record-breaking
but it's tolerable. Very easy to ride. The seat is different. Not
the most comfortable by any means but okay...


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:44:35 -0400, "Felix Audet"
wrote:



Anyone here own one?
How well their sales are going?
Anyone can feed any kind of informations..?






Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com



Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com



Bryan J. Ball
Editor/Publisher
www.bentrideronline.com

How about Mother's Cut-Rate Recumbent [trike] at...

http://www.motherearthnews.com/menar...&ID=2613&Num=4

For the DIY type who can work with various metals. The original design
utilized EMT but is probably too flimsy for my 230 lb. bod. I'd have to
go with exhaust pipe despite the weight penalty.

Originally posted by Felix Audet Anyone here own one? How well their
sales are going? Anyone can feed any kind of informations..? [/QUOTE

I've read the responses to this thread until I'm quite bored. BikeE,
while it trashed its fiduciary responsibility to its existing customer
base, was a sophisticated design firm. They actively identified their
customers, they understood their needs and identified the requirements
to meet those needs. Good engineering resulted (followed by bad
behavior).

While there are a great number of enthusiasts who aren't enamoured with
the BigHa, I would guess that the company is sufficiently sophisticated
to suggest that YOU AREN'T the TARGET MARKET. BikeE knew who they were
going to targe and went after them very effectively. Big Ha hasn't
embedded demographics into their materials but, from what I can see of
the Big Ha product it is going to be happier to find itself as a his and
hers in the Xmas Neiman Marcus catalog or featured in Hammecher
Schlemmer (to lazy to check the spelling) than bike of the year in Bent
Rider Online.

Bottom line, make it clear what is important to you and be explicit
about how the product is successful addresses your needs.. or not. That
is all the debate that is required.

Cheers...tg



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