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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
But you can't afford it, can you? Who can afford to **** away money on such an overpriced bike? Not when you can get a bike in the same class and still have a couple thousand left over. Lorenzo L. Love What class it the bike in? On what basis do you say it is overpriced? What are you comparing it to? Is it simply a matter of pounds per dollar? There are quite a few bikes out there that cost much more. Does this make the BigHA a better deal than them? Or are they not in the same class? -- Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney |
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
But you can't afford it, can you? Who can afford to **** away money on such an overpriced bike? Not when you can get a bike in the same class and still have a couple thousand left over. Lorenzo L. Love What class it the bike in? On what basis do you say it is overpriced? What are you comparing it to? Is it simply a matter of pounds per dollar? There are quite a few bikes out there that cost much more. Does this make the BigHA a better deal than them? Or are they not in the same class? -- Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney |
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What's up with Bigha?
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
Do you think that for any given rider, the $3000.00 Bigha is as fast as the Vision VR50 at about half the price? Or the RANS Stratus at about half the price? Or the Easy Racer Tour Easy at about 2/3 the price? Or the Lighting Phantom at about half the price? Can you tell us if the Bigha is a fast as any bike in it's price range? I didn't think so. Now tell us about all the other slow, 50 pound bikes that cost $3000.00. Can't? I didn't think so. Lorenzo L. Love Is you sole criteria as to worth the speed of a bike? And can you stop responding before I've even answered? How do you feel about bikes that weigh more than 50 pounds and cost more than $3000? How about trikes? How does the BigHA rate in comparison to a 70 pound trike tandem that goes for more than twice its cost? Do you now think the BigHA is a great deal? -- Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney |
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What's up with Bigha?
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
Do you think that for any given rider, the $3000.00 Bigha is as fast as the Vision VR50 at about half the price? Or the RANS Stratus at about half the price? Or the Easy Racer Tour Easy at about 2/3 the price? Or the Lighting Phantom at about half the price? Can you tell us if the Bigha is a fast as any bike in it's price range? I didn't think so. Now tell us about all the other slow, 50 pound bikes that cost $3000.00. Can't? I didn't think so. Lorenzo L. Love Is you sole criteria as to worth the speed of a bike? And can you stop responding before I've even answered? How do you feel about bikes that weigh more than 50 pounds and cost more than $3000? How about trikes? How does the BigHA rate in comparison to a 70 pound trike tandem that goes for more than twice its cost? Do you now think the BigHA is a great deal? -- Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney |
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What's up with Bigha?
Larry Varney wrote:
Lorenzo L. Love wrote: (I know you are but what am I?) children, chiklren...go to your rooms and come back when you grow up. Regards, Mike O'Brien Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 |
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What's up with Bigha?
Larry Varney wrote:
Lorenzo L. Love wrote: (I know you are but what am I?) children, chiklren...go to your rooms and come back when you grow up. Regards, Mike O'Brien Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 |
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
But you can't afford it, can you? Who can afford to **** away money on
such an overpriced bike? Not when you can get a bike in the same class and still have a couple thousand left over. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand That's your issue Lorenzo. You CAN'T afford it either. Show me a similiar bike with ALL the features, quality, etc. for 2 grand less and I'll show you some oceanfront property in Death Valley I'd like to sell you very cheap! Edward Wong Orlando, FL |
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
But you can't afford it, can you? Who can afford to **** away money on
such an overpriced bike? Not when you can get a bike in the same class and still have a couple thousand left over. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand That's your issue Lorenzo. You CAN'T afford it either. Show me a similiar bike with ALL the features, quality, etc. for 2 grand less and I'll show you some oceanfront property in Death Valley I'd like to sell you very cheap! Edward Wong Orlando, FL |
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What's up with Bigha?
Edward Wong wrote:
So you know of none. I know of none. Does anyone know of a 50 pound, slow bike similar to the Bigha that sells for $3000.00? I didn't think so. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand Before I begin, take your own advice from your signature line above. Bryan J. Ball indicated that this is the first bike of it's kind in that price range so there is no comparable. On the other hand, there is no bike in any price range or wheelbase configuration that is like the BiGHA. There are however other recumbent/HPV's that sell for far more money, are heavier and most probably slower than the BiGHa. Leitras, Lightfoot trikes, velomobiles and the like. And the owners of these machines will defend their buying decision like a rabid pitbull so I would get on their bad side if I were you. Bryan never said that the BiGHa is "slow". He said it's performance was "tolerable". Coming from Bryan who is a high performance rider (and former racer) it is not a surprise to hear that remark from him. "Tolerable" for him and others like him may mean "good" to "great" for the rest of us of which you are one. He did call it "heavy". Again, consider the source (no offense Bryan:-) He calls anything that weighs more than 30 pounds heavy no matter what kind of bike it is. In closing this paragraph, one gentleman posted on BROL's board that he found the BiGHa to be a better performer than the BikeE. It is pointless Mr. Love to argue about price as an indicator of speed/performance. There is no bicycle at any price point that is three or four times better than the next. That's not the way it works for in order to create a product that is say 10% better requires more dedication, heavier workload, longer production times and other unforeseen elements that us outsiders have no idea. This is what determines the price differencial between similiar products given that all other factors are equal. In closing this post, you might as well make a hobby of attacking bikes based on price. With the introduction of the Actionbent ($645) and the upcoming introduction of Sun's new SWB (less than $1K), does it make sense to you for people to spend two to three times more for a bike that performs similiarly and has equal to almost equal level components? Go ahead...attack away and don't forget to put on your flamesuit. Edward Wong Orlando, FL Comparing the Bigha to trikes and velomobiles is really grasping at straws. Why not compare it to automobiles, aircraft or the space shuttle? It compares favorably in price to them, so what if they are not the same type of vehicle. As for it being slow, I'll ask again: Do you think that for any given rider, the $3000.00 Bigha is as fast as the Vision VR50 at about half the price? Or the RANS Stratus at about half the price? Or the Easy Racer Tour Easy at about 2/3 the price? Or the Lighting Phantom at about half the price? The new bikes you cite makes the Bigha even more ridiculously overpriced. Would you pay $3000.00 for this bike? No? I didn't think so. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove |
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What's up with Bigha?
Edward Wong wrote:
So you know of none. I know of none. Does anyone know of a 50 pound, slow bike similar to the Bigha that sells for $3000.00? I didn't think so. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand Before I begin, take your own advice from your signature line above. Bryan J. Ball indicated that this is the first bike of it's kind in that price range so there is no comparable. On the other hand, there is no bike in any price range or wheelbase configuration that is like the BiGHA. There are however other recumbent/HPV's that sell for far more money, are heavier and most probably slower than the BiGHa. Leitras, Lightfoot trikes, velomobiles and the like. And the owners of these machines will defend their buying decision like a rabid pitbull so I would get on their bad side if I were you. Bryan never said that the BiGHa is "slow". He said it's performance was "tolerable". Coming from Bryan who is a high performance rider (and former racer) it is not a surprise to hear that remark from him. "Tolerable" for him and others like him may mean "good" to "great" for the rest of us of which you are one. He did call it "heavy". Again, consider the source (no offense Bryan:-) He calls anything that weighs more than 30 pounds heavy no matter what kind of bike it is. In closing this paragraph, one gentleman posted on BROL's board that he found the BiGHa to be a better performer than the BikeE. It is pointless Mr. Love to argue about price as an indicator of speed/performance. There is no bicycle at any price point that is three or four times better than the next. That's not the way it works for in order to create a product that is say 10% better requires more dedication, heavier workload, longer production times and other unforeseen elements that us outsiders have no idea. This is what determines the price differencial between similiar products given that all other factors are equal. In closing this post, you might as well make a hobby of attacking bikes based on price. With the introduction of the Actionbent ($645) and the upcoming introduction of Sun's new SWB (less than $1K), does it make sense to you for people to spend two to three times more for a bike that performs similiarly and has equal to almost equal level components? Go ahead...attack away and don't forget to put on your flamesuit. Edward Wong Orlando, FL Comparing the Bigha to trikes and velomobiles is really grasping at straws. Why not compare it to automobiles, aircraft or the space shuttle? It compares favorably in price to them, so what if they are not the same type of vehicle. As for it being slow, I'll ask again: Do you think that for any given rider, the $3000.00 Bigha is as fast as the Vision VR50 at about half the price? Or the RANS Stratus at about half the price? Or the Easy Racer Tour Easy at about 2/3 the price? Or the Lighting Phantom at about half the price? The new bikes you cite makes the Bigha even more ridiculously overpriced. Would you pay $3000.00 for this bike? No? I didn't think so. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove |
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