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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Zoot Katz wrote:
Sun, 09 May 2004 15:43:58 -0700, , Mark Hickey wrote: Was it taught in social studies, or maybe in shop? I didn't take shop, so might have missed my opportunity to be encouraged to commit acts of violence. Off the top of my head: Language, ??? When are white males encouraged to commit violence via language? If there is systematic encoragement to do so, it seems to be more centered around the rap demographic - and that's hardly "100% white male". Football, That's hardly random violence. And hardly "white". War toys I dunno... I think most kids can distinguish between playing army and smacking someone with a rock. One is not violence, the other is. I'd also maintain that playing army isn't any more common among white kids than it is any other race (just a guess though). and entertainment, Wild West myths sanitising genocide and occupation. I don't get the connection between this and "modern violence". Even though I can legally be considered Cherokee, no "cowboy" has ever tried to shoot me (though a few of 'em did come pretty close to running me down in their pickup trucks). Oops, I'm starting to sound like Jobst... ;-) Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
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Mark Hickey writes: "Claire Petersky" wrote: working class white men are among the few in American society (not sure about other countries) where they have had a certain amount of tolerance, if not outright encouragement, in externalizing their dark sides on to others, and then committing acts of violence against those others. In this situation, we get outright encouragement. Hmmmm, I must not have been paying attention in school when I got this "lesson". I note Claire didn't specifically refer to any classroom situations; she just said "encouragement". I believe she had certain cyclist-bashing radio talk shows in mind, whose audience demographs may consist largely of working class, young, white males. I don't believe people's ancestry, age or social standing necessarily has anything to do with bike-hating, nor is bike-hating always manifested in brutish violence like throwing stuff out of car windows at cyclists or intentional dooring. The bike-haters who worry me most are the ones with political clout -- the Business Improvement Associations who will fight tooth & nail against any cycling improvements in their neighbourhoods, and those who would try to convince City Councils to hijack funds specifically allocated for cycling improvements, to use for some other project. I've seen how easy it is for the Powers That Be to inflict MHLs. Inflicting mandatory bicycle registration could be a cake-walk for them. That would really give the bike-haters extra ammunition. cheers, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
"Claire Petersky" wrote in message news:Duxnc.59128$Ik.4616964@attbi_s53...
This is how I see it. There are some people who believe that the world is a nasty, competitive place. .. In the case of these people who feel fearful and powerless, they instead identify others as weak, and then hate them for having those characteristics. It's much safer to hate others than to hate yourself. Excellent analysis, Claire. It fits every real-world example I've seen. -Steve Goodridge |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Mark Hickey wrote:
Hmmmm, I must not have been paying attention in school when I got this "lesson". Perhaps they didn't teach me to commit acts of violence because of my American Indian blood (only 1/8th, but I suppose you can't be too careful when you're teaching an entire population to "commit acts of violence"). Remember the field game, "smear the queer"? Cowboys and Indians? Cops and robbers? Prison ball? I was a boy in White suburban America, and I know that vein of darkness runs deep. You don't just put that stuff behind you; it comes out somehow. In the mainstream culture it manifests as dog-eat-dog economics, contempt for the poor, race hatred, an insatiable appetite for punishing transgressors, and pointlessly competitive play. Have you noticed how every game your society taught you during your upbringing has to have a winner and a loser? That trains you to erroneously attribute prosperity (winning) to virtue and poverty (losing) to personal failings. One can reject lots of the popular conventions for exercising nescient aggression, but still be stuck with the abstracted anger and vengefulness that is the residue of a long social education in institutional violence. I don't like it, and I don't know what to do with it, but there it is. Chalo Colina |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Stephen Harding wrote:
Zoot Katz wrote: Mark Hickey wrote: Was it taught in social studies, or maybe in shop? I didn't take shop, so might have missed my opportunity to be encouraged to commit acts of violence. Off the top of my head: Language, Football, War toys and entertainment, Wild West myths sanitising genocide and occupation. I didn't know Canadian education was so multi-dimensional. Zoot has not always been Canadian. He grew up an American boy like you or me, and got the education to go with. In his young adulthood he undertook to heal himself, so he left the cradle of his youthful illness. Chalo Colina |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Mon, 10 May 2004 07:15:44 -0700,
, Mark Hickey wrote: Language, ??? When are white males encouraged to commit violence via language? As soon as they learn that words can effectively hurt others by negating their humanity. Language is most damaging when it's used to disguise the violence. Witness the current overuse of "abuse" when what's really meant is "torture". The Afghan and Iraqi children killed by misdirected or faulty PGM are "collateral damage" yet when Timothy McVeigh used those words to describe the dead children in Oklahoma City he was portrayed as a callus and cold blooded murderer. Saddam is "evil", Bin Laden a "monster", but that's entirely acceptable as long as they're your monsters doing your evil bidding. War toys I dunno... I think most kids can distinguish between playing army and smacking someone with a rock. One is not violence, the other is. They teach children that violence is a valid form of conflict resolution. Playing with war toys and watching violent war cartoons desensitises children to the harm done by violence. It's that indifference to violence that's the more damaging flip-side of your violent militaristic society. "War on Obesity", "War on Terrorism", "War on Illiteracy", "War on Drugs", "War on Inflation". War is the answer to all of America's problems. and entertainment, Wild West myths sanitising genocide and occupation. I don't get the connection between this and "modern violence" The systematic reduction of a whole people to the sub-human status of "savage" is ongoing. It's a necessary precondition for waging war. Children must be indoctrinated from an early age because your economy is based on waging war. -- zk |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Zoot Katz wrote:
Mon, 10 May 2004 07:15:44 -0700, , Mark Hickey wrote: Language, ??? When are white males encouraged to commit violence via language? As soon as they learn that words can effectively hurt others by negating their humanity. snip the rest Even assuming that what you say is true, what make it truer for a white male than anyone else? Girls don't learn to "hurt each other with their words"??? (in fact, I suspect they're much better at it than us guys will ever be). I haven't seen anything that makes me think any of this is race or gender-specific. Am I missing something? Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
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(Tom Keats) wrote: I've seen how easy it is for the Powers That Be to inflict MHLs. Inflicting mandatory bicycle registration could be a cake-walk for them. That would really give the bike-haters extra ammunition. cheers, Tom I think you're forgetting that most local municipalities used to have mandatory bike registration. Those licencing tags on older bikes are not just for show. I'm old enough to remember when I needed to get a sticker for my bike. For various reasons, the most notable probably being the widespread disregard for licences and the desire to encourage cycling, virtually all local jurisdictions have ended their bike-licence programs. I don't know what the situation is like outside of Greater Vancouver. Still waiting for a mandatory bicycle law, -- Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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