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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11:56 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:44:57 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 17:21 10 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...3-two-abreast- punishment-pass-276327 I was watching the video and waiting to see this "punishment pass" when it ended. All I saw was a van driver overtake some cyclists and make a courtesy toot QUOTE: A horn should not be used to indicate your annoyance. ENDS https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/answ...llegal-to-use- your-horn As far as I can see the horn was sounded as a warning of the vehicle's presence. Nothing to do with annoyance. What I saw was hardly a "punishment pass" by any standard. It was a long blast, not a "toot". Anyway, what the point of using it when he had gone past the cyclists? Poor timing perhaps. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 3:55:08 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 14:01 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:00:52 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: Whereas drivers DAMAGE 100% of road infrastucture and people and houses and bridges and the air. They should pay MUCH more than the pittance they already do. It's not entirely clear on what basis cyclists rest their claim to be allowed to use roads. The Highway Code has a full section that relates to cyclists' use of the roads. Have you ever read a copy? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-high...lists-59-to-82 How does the Highway Code confer the right to use the road? It offers guidance for those who do use the roads but it does not guarantee they can always do so. Cyclists do not have licences that can be taken away from them - drivers, on the other hand, can be banned from using the roads. They are then free to cycle on the roads while they serve their ban and take another test if applicable. Pedestrians and cyclists have a right to use the roads, drivers need a licence, usually VED, insurance and usually an MOT. Failure to comply with these laws can lead to the vehicle being seized and crushed. They are then free to use a bicycle. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
It was a long blast, not a "toot". Anyway, what the point of using it when he had gone past the cyclists? Poor timing perhaps. Agreed - poor all round. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote:
On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on? Council tax payers, as they do now? Local council receive most of their funding from central government. https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/Engli...Report-166.pdf "English councils are budgeting for revenues of £55.7 billion or £988 per person in 2019–20. Of this, 48% is set to be from council tax, 29% from retained business rates revenues and 23% in the form of grants from central government. The vast majority of revenue from grants is in the form of specific or special grants, which are sometimes ring-fenced for particular services such as with the public health grant and some funding for adult social care services." That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some nothing), some get more. It is calculated that 7% of all national tax income is paid by motorists. Then it's a bargain. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11/08/2020 11:44, Pamela wrote:
All I saw was a van driver overtake some cyclists and make a courtesy toot to warn them of his presence. Cyclist are prone to wobbling and also not knowing what is behind them. In continental countries such toots to announce a vehicles's presence is very common. They do it before overtaking, not while overtaking. The idea of a warning is that it gives the target time to react or prepare. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 22:00 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote: On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on? Council tax payers, as they do now? Local council receive most of their funding from central government. That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some nothing), some get more. It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution has crept past 50%. What I say remains true for the full decade. Here is a more accurate assessment. You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult. https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...al-government- funding-england |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote:
On 22:00 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said: On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote: On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on? Council tax payers, as they do now? Local council receive most of their funding from central government. That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some nothing), some get more. It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution has crept past 50%. What I say remains true for the full decade. Here is a more accurate assessment. You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult. https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...al-government- funding-england https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/local-government [avoiding wrap problems] |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 13/08/2020 12:07, JNugent wrote:
On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote: On 22:00Â* 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said: On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote: On 11:37Â* 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on? Council tax payers, as they do now? Local council receive most of their funding from central government. That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some nothing), some get more. It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution has crept past 50%.Â* What I say remains true for the full decade.Â* Here is a more accurate assessment.Â* You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult. https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...al-government- funding-england https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/local-government [avoiding wrap problems] No, it didn't work. That website appears to defy attempt at URL copying. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote:
On 22:00 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said: On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote: On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on? Council tax payers, as they do now? Local council receive most of their funding from central government. That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some nothing), some get more. It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution has crept past 50%. What I say remains true for the full decade. Here is a more accurate assessment. You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult. It looks as though that's all you managed to do. It obviously goes with your inability to pack a bag. When the government steals business rates it's dishonest to claim the portion returned is "government funding". My LA also has to pay tax on the profit of its business activities. https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...unding-england There, I've fixed the link for you. (It's rather sweet how you and Nugent cuddle up to each other.) |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 12:07 13 Aug 2020, JNugent said:
On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote: On 22:00 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said: On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote: On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on? Council tax payers, as they do now? Local council receive most of their funding from central government. That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some nothing), some get more. It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution has crept past 50%. What I say remains true for the full decade. Here is a more accurate assessment. You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult. https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...al-government- funding-england https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/local-government [avoiding wrap problems] Some newsreaders automatically form a URL of a link within delimiters but I post without because if you CnP folded links then delimiters are a nuisance. |
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