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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 9:37:29 PM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 20:03:47 GMT, Simon Jester wrote: On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 8:30:54 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote: On 17/05/2019 19:45, Simon Mason wrote: On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:29:59 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Which part of the UK is Denmark? It was decided years ago that we could discuss the Tour de France etc. Do you have the urc charter to hand? If Cheerfull, Pounder and Nugent claim that gropers, kiddie fiddlers, drug dealers or burglars are *cycling* during the course of these activities you can have Denmark (or any other country). I think you are being too generous. If a cyclist was within 50 000 000 miles of wrongdoing it was the fault of all cyclists everywhere. I use that figure because when mankind establishes a colony on Mars and something goes wrong Pounder will blame it on a cyclist. Reverse that; send Pounder to a place where he can feel safe. The problem is Pounder only feels safe when he is cowering in his mouldy bedsit. When he ventures out in to the real world he feels the need to be surrounded by vorpal chisels to ward off the hoards of pavement zombie cyclists who are waiting to kill him. |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: "Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break- fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for serious injury or death to others that's important. Absolutely correct. Some people believe that rules are rules and completely forget the underlying purpose of them. |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: "Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break- fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for serious injury or death to others that's important. As so few rules apply to cyclists and it is so much more difficult to remotely catch them, it is not surprising that far more motorists fall foul of the myriad of areas that are illegal in some way. Also motorists drive far more often and for much further than cyclists do. Also motorists drive in poor weather, again cyclists do not. And of course remember that most cyclists also own a car, so they are included in both sets of figures, so really there is nothing to learn from this flawed 'study' from a country that is flatter than the UK and has a government weighted toward bicycle use and the demise of the car. |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On Sat, 18 May 2019 00:01:23 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: "Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break- fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for serious injury or death to others that's important. Absolutely correct. Some people believe that rules are rules and completely forget the underlying purpose of them. However, rather more people are oblivious to the underlying purpose and then feel smug that the rules don't apply to them. All those motorists that think speed limits are only about whether they actually collide with something and bend their precious bodywork, while neglecting to account for the noise pollution, chemical pollution and fear they impose on local residents, for example. Or all those cyclists dodging through groups of pedestrians. Just because you didn't actually hit a pedestrian this time, that doesn't mean your rule-breaking was acceptable, and certainly not harmless. regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On 18/05/2019 01:28, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE: "Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...udy-finds.html That might be true in Denmark but certainly not here. |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On 18/05/2019 07:28, Ian Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 00:01:23 +0100, TMS320 wrote: On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: "Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break- fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for serious injury or death to others that's important. Absolutely correct. Some people believe that rules are rules and completely forget the underlying purpose of them. However, rather more people are oblivious to the underlying purpose and then feel smug that the rules don't apply to them. All those motorists that think speed limits are only about whether they actually collide with something and bend their precious bodywork, while neglecting to account for the noise pollution, chemical pollution and fear they impose on local residents, for example. I either failed to make the point or you misunderstood it. Following the rules is no guarantee of safety and breaking the rules is not necessarily a cause of danger. There is no symmetry between driving and cycling. Or all those cyclists dodging through groups of pedestrians. Just because you didn't actually hit a pedestrian this time, that doesn't mean your rule-breaking was acceptable, and certainly not harmless. The only acceptable criticism about cyclist behaviour amongst pedestrians is when it is made from the first hand experience of being a pedestrian. When comments come from behind the windscreen (which most of it is) they should mind their own f****** business. |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On 18/05/2019 07:02, MrCheerful wrote:
As so few rules apply to cyclists and it is so much more difficult to remotely catch them, it is not surprising that far more motorists fall foul of the myriad of areas that are illegal in some way.Â* Also motorists drive far more often and for much further than cyclists do. Also motorists drive in poor weather, again cyclists do not.Â* And of course remember that most cyclists also own a car, so they are included in both sets of figures, so really there is nothing to learn from this flawed 'study' from a country that is flatter than the UK and has a government weighted toward bicycle use and the demise of the car. Which is a very clear demonstration that the emphasis is the wrong way round - where the rules are considered to be more important than "...the potential for serious injury or death to others." |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On Sat, 18 May 2019 12:55:59 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
The only acceptable criticism about cyclist behaviour amongst pedestrians is when it is made from the first hand experience of being a pedestrian. How many car drivers is it that you think have zero experience of being a pedestrian? regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On 19/05/2019 09:24, Ian Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 12:55:59 +0100, TMS320 wrote: The only acceptable criticism about cyclist behaviour amongst pedestrians is when it is made from the first hand experience of being a pedestrian. How many car drivers is it that you think have zero experience of being a pedestrian? When I said, "it must come from first hand experience of being a pedestrian", it does not have to imply that drivers have no experience of being a pedestrian. Anything seen from behind a windcreen, cannot be the first hand experience of being a pedestrian. However, official statistics suggest that people walk less tha 200 miles a year, so experience is clearly very limited. |
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Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:37:34 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 18/05/2019 01:28, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: "Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...udy-finds.html That might be true in Denmark but certainly not here. Can you provide evidence to support this claim? |
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