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Driver on drugs who mowed down group of cyclists while on wrongside of road is jailed - LONG
On 16/09/2020 20:47, JNugent wrote:
On 16/09/2020 20:09, TMS320 wrote: On 16/09/2020 11:39, JNugent wrote: On 16/09/2020 11:11, TMS320 wrote: On 16/09/2020 00:22, JNugent wrote: On 15/09/2020 20:33, TMS320 wrote: On 15/09/2020 12:09, JNugent wrote: Do traffic lights apply to cyclists (must cyclists comply with them)? Yes, or no? Which is it? It is in the rules. Is that a "Yes" or a "No"? Sigh. Why are you so frightened to answer the question? Why are you so obsessed with the minutiae of traffic law, rather than using thought and intelligence? The detail of the law in important because if you are prepared to let anyone just disobey the law as a result of their own assessment of what is dangerous, hazardous, risky or "sensible", you have to let *everyone* do so. I am not prepared to accept that in respect of scofflaw chavs such as drunken drivers or footway cyclists. What is the end benefit expected by the rule? Safety. For all, including for those passing lawfully through such a junction on "green". Then you're assuming the intention of the law. There is nothing special about you so stop trying to tell others that they should not. The law with respect to traffic lights, give-way markings and signage, etc, etc, is *clearly* related to the maintenance of safety and the prevention of conflict between vehicle trajectories. It could have no other purpose. Yes, a driver taking 1.5 - 44 tonnes through at 30mph is dangerous. It is easy for any observer to see that without any knowledge of the written rules. Rephrase. What is the expected benefit of applying the rule to cyclists? Safety. Yesterday I cycled 37km. I went through one set of traffic lights - twice. I passed something like 100 other junctions (I lost count before I was a quarter of the way through the gps track), either at t-junctions or passing the mouth of t-junctions, plus a few roundabouts. In one direction at the lights, had I ignored a red light, any objective observer would have seen that there was no safety issue for anybody. That's *NOT* your judgment to make. What you are doing there is called arrogation. It requires my judgement to deal with at least 99% of junctions. Arrogant people do it. Going in the other direction it would have been very dangerous - for me. This traffic light has only been in place for about three years so I have successfully navigated the junction several hundred times previously, purely under my own wits. Passing through red traffic lights? Which bit of "three years" did you fail to understand? Seriously? You're self-obsessed and do not have a thought for others. Don't even imagine that you can instruct me about safety. In the circumstances, my neighbour's hamster could usefully instruct you on safety. When did your carers last allow you out on your own? For all, including for those passing lawfully through such a junction on "green". Â* Do you wish to try to assert that it is lawful for a cyclist to pass through (what is, for him) a red traffic light, despite the priority being accorded to others (including other cyclists and pedestrians) at that moment? I couldn't care less if a cyclist uses a red light as a give way. In my years as pedestrian, cyclist, driver I have never had to make allowances for a cyclist. But when cycling, I have dealt with pedestrians wandering across my path against a red man and had to wait after my light has gone green for drivers to go past at speed. Is your criminal behaviour excused because a few bigger boys did it? What criminal offence have I committed? |
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