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On 24 Oct, 11:26, LSMike wrote:
On 24 Oct, 10:54, NM wrote: On 24 Oct, 10:27, LSMike wrote: That's my reading of the collision description too. *Failure to drive according to normal expected standards. How can the cyclist be going too fast? *That area is all relatively flat - is the OP suggesting that the cyclist was exceeding either the speed limit, or what other motor traffic was doing there? No it isn't. So the cyclist wasn't exceeding the speed limit, and wasn't going significantly faster than the rest of the traffic. Why don't you put up a link to google maps, showing the direction and travel of both the car and the cyclist, and the exact location of the collision? The clipless pedals are a red herring too - they do not have any bearing on the collision, IMO. Hardly surprising really, cyclists in city centres are usually seen with their feet firmly clipped to the pedals, obviously they have no intentions of stopping at inconvenient little items like traffic lights or pedestrian crossings seeing as they can't readily put a foot on the floor. Ooh, look at the bias. *You clearly have no understanding of how clipless pedals work, why they are a good thing, or why your comments are an uninformed red herring. *As soon as I hear a driver talking about cyclists jumping red lights, I get bored by the bigotry and ignorance. *They always ignore the elephant in the room, that of all the drivers that go through red traffic lights. *1 in 10 car drivers and 1 in 5 bus drivers as found by the RAC. *As with many cyclists, I'd be happy for all red light jumpers to be fined and/or given points as appropriate. *Just don't insult everyone's intelligence by suggesting it's only those dastardly cyclists who jump red lights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF5cc...?v=vuVk4NkeeLM Yes you are right, all types of vehicles 'jump' the lights however it's only cyclists that regularly totally ignore the lights which is what I should have said. The RAC etc mean shave a second or so off the stop/start time. If clips are so safe and sensible how come this clown had to be helped out of his? |
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On 24 Oct, 11:43, NM wrote:
I think you should read the heading of the initial posting before you decide who's side I'm on, I have put the facts as I understood them and have had to go into the smallest of inconsequential details thus making it appear that there are inconsistancies in the narrative, the only inconsistancies are those of interpretation. A couple of objective replies and more than a few blatent attempts to 'prove' the cyclist could not be at fault in any way. My own view is that the cyclist and the driver were both at fault. Thank you all for your input. Why not clear up any possible interpretation errors by being specific about the collision location? Link it on google maps. |
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NM wrote:
If clips are so safe and sensible how come this clown had to be helped out of his? Because he was a bit shaken after being hit by some clown in a car? |
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"Paul - xxx" writes:
So yuo keep adding bits to the story .. it's now not a main road it's a shopping area ... are you simply trying to pick a fight? It's taken you this far into the thread to realise? Anyone who can infer that a cyclist is the embodiment of evil simply because they're clipped into their pedals is either not acting in good faith or is merely barking mad, and that sentiment was expressed right back in the first post. -dan |
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NM wrote:
Hardly surprising really, cyclists in city centres are usually seen with their feet firmly clipped to the pedals, obviously they have no intentions of stopping at inconvenient little items like traffic lights or pedestrian crossings seeing as they can't readily put a foot on the floor. Don't be absurd. You can as readily unclip from pedals as you can lift a foot from a pedal. You don't know what you're talking about. In the meantime your 'friend' is at fault for driving without proper care and wants to find a way to wiggle out of responsibility for causing an accident by blaming the person she knocked off, and you want to cause trouble by crossposting your description of it to two newsgroups. Daniele |
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On 24 Oct, 08:09, NM wrote:
My friend, in Catford strangely enough almost at the end of Doug's road, whilst driving her small shopping trolly car went to enter a side road, She was entering from the main road by turning right, after allowed the crossing pedestrians right of way she then pulled forward to enter the street, at the last moment she spotted a cyclist, who had right of way being on the main road but going in her opinion far too fast for the amount of traffic and the general congestion of the area. She stopped immediatly and as her forward speed was insignificant at this moment there was still sufficient room for the cyclist to pass along the main road in front of her however the cyclist made the assumption she was going to continue across his path so anchored up and lost control, he came to a stop just as he collided with the car. The problem was his feet were clamped to the bike with those stupid toe grip racing thingys thus he couldn't put his feet on the floor, he ended up uninjured sitting across the bonnet of her car still wearing the cycle with resultant damage to the car's panel and paintwork. Why should he not pay for the damage? He argues it's her fault and of course, as is normal, he has no insurance. Could I offer your friend some free legal advice? Feel free to pass it on to her: 1. Get your ****ing eyes tested 2. Try looking left and right *before* pulling out of a side road 3. Don't try to blame others for your **** driving. HTH. |
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:23:55 -0700, BrianW wrote:
My friend, in Catford strangely enough almost at the end of Doug's road, whilst driving her small shopping trolly car went to enter a side road, She was entering from the main road by turning right, after allowed the crossing pedestrians right of way she then pulled forward to enter the street, at the last moment she spotted a cyclist, who had right of way being on the main road but going in her opinion far too fast for the amount of traffic and the general congestion of the area. Could I offer your friend some free legal advice? Feel free to pass it on to her: 1. Get your ****ing eyes tested 2. Try looking left and right *before* pulling out of a side road She was turning into a side road from the main road... see 1. 3. Don't try to blame others for your **** driving. Agree completely. BW |
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Paul - xxx wrote:
NM wrote: Valid assumption, providing the road is straight, gradient free, not heavily cambered and clement conditions. His trajectory was a result of his initial change of course to avoid what he obviously thought was going to be a Tbone. Had he continued there would not have been an issue, had he been cycling with a modicum of common sense there also would not have been an issue. You never mentioned any change in course before, you said he simply anchored up and lost control, now he changes direction Actually, he did. He said (first post) that the cyclist's forward path was unobstructed. Not in those precise words; I have simplified it for you. |
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"Paul - xxx" wrote in news:7kfp0cF38uulmU1
@mid.individual.net: NM wrote: On 24 Oct, 08:23, "Paul - xxx" wrote: NM wrote: My friend, in Catford strangely enough almost at the end of Doug's road, whilst driving her small shopping trolly car went to enter a side road, She was entering from the main road by turning right, after allowed the crossing pedestrians right of way she then pulled forward to enter the street, at the last moment she spotted a cyclist, who had right of way being on the main road but going in her opinion far too fast for the amount of traffic and the general congestion of the area. So she didn't see the cyclist until the last moment but could still determine their speed? *How does that work then? I think you mean she saw him, misjudged his speed and so pulled out, not realising how fast cycles can travel, causing the collision. She stopped immediatly and as her forward speed was insignificant at this moment there was still sufficient room for the cyclist to pass along the main road in front of her however the cyclist made the assumption she was going to continue across his path so anchored up and lost control, he came to a stop just as he collided with the car. The problem was his feet were clamped to the bike with those stupid toe grip racing thingys thus he couldn't put his feet on the floor, he ended up uninjured sitting across the bonnet of her car still wearing the cycle with resultant damage to the car's panel and paintwork. Why should he not pay for the damage? He argues it's her fault and of course, as is normal, he has no insurance. I'd say tough **** for her, she should have better awareness and not pull out into traffic. *Whatever happens afterwards, it's her that pulled out wrongly, you can't expect others to compensate for her ****wittery. -- Paul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp Perhaps the ****wittery was the wearing of tight toe clips and going silly fast in a heavily congested town centre, IMO one should expect traffic in such circumstances and not fondly imagine one is competing in a leg of the Tour de France. Besides she did not pull in front of him, he just thought she was going to and reacted accordingly. If she didn't pull in front of him, how did he land on the bonet? Did he defy physics and shoot off to the side, perhaps? Try reading what NM wrote. The answer is there. |
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