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  #41  
Old August 21st 19, 01:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK wrote:
The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear brake cable has become much looser than it used to be. What is the name of the part so I can order another one? (Hopefully they have some made of harder steel.)

https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog

That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is probably available at your nearest Ace Hardware store in the Metric area.

Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just a good hardware
store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt."

Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face.

The proper terminology is "one of them there thangs" :-)

--

Cheers,

John B.


I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool crib and asked for a part. His description of the part. "The whatcamacallit that fits on the doohickey that goes on the thingamajig." I was amazed that the guy in the tool crib handed him the part he needed. Apparently that part broke frequently.

A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle things makes it very difficult for those who'd like to help a person with the questions.

Cheers


Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in the door with
this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy would look up
and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering knuckle on the
1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B".
--

Cheers,

John B.


That just happened to me Saturday. "I've looked everywhere
for..."

"Simplex 503. $1.95"

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www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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  #42  
Old August 21st 19, 01:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 3:25:34 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:28:56 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog

That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt"


This made me laugh. It says so much with so few words. It even hints at an explanation (not to say excuse) for your politics.

A perhaps more widely understood technical term would be "M6 x 1.0 x 12 socket head cap screw".


Chalo - no one knows the size of these things if they're asking about it. It is a STANDARD type of screw that can be bought in any fully equipped Ace Hardware Store anywhere in the US.

By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin.


Really? IIRC, at my Ace they're called socket head cap screws. And my Ace has a mind-boggling amount of fasteners, including SS metric socket head cap screws for my bike -- button head and regular.

-- Jay Beattie.
  #43  
Old August 21st 19, 02:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On 8/20/2019 8:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B. SlocombÂ* wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK wrote:
The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear brake cable has
become much looser than it used to be. What is the name of the
part so I can order another one? (Hopefully they have some made
of harder steel.)

https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog

That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is probably
available at your nearest Ace Hardware store in the Metric area.

Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just a good hardware
store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt."

Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face.

The proper terminologyÂ* is "one of them there thangs" :-)

--

Cheers,

John B.

I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool crib and
asked for a part. His description of the part. "The whatcamacallit
that fits on the doohickey that goes on the thingamajig." I was
amazed that the guy in the tool crib handed him the part he needed.
Apparently that part broke frequently.

A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle things makes
it very difficult for those who'd like to help a person with the
questions.

Cheers


Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in the door with
this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy would look up
and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering knuckle on the
1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B".
--

Cheers,

John B.


That just happened to me Saturday.Â* "I've looked everywhere for..."

"Simplex 503. $1.95"


Or $199.00 elsewhere, I see:
https://www.ebay.com/i/113775529548

Maybe it wasn't exactly the same?

--
- Frank Krygowski
  #44  
Old August 21st 19, 02:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ralph Barone[_4_]
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 3:25:34 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:28:56 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog

That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt"

This made me laugh. It says so much with so few words. It even hints
at an explanation (not to say excuse) for your politics.

A perhaps more widely understood technical term would be "M6 x 1.0 x 12
socket head cap screw".


Chalo - no one knows the size of these things if they're asking about
it. It is a STANDARD type of screw that can be bought in any fully
equipped Ace Hardware Store anywhere in the US.

By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal
Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin.


Really? IIRC, at my Ace they're called socket head cap screws. And my
Ace has a mind-boggling amount of fasteners, including SS metric socket
head cap screws for my bike -- button head and regular.

-- Jay Beattie.


I did a Google search for Internal Wrenching Bolt and they are similar to
socket head cap screws, but higher strength, with an external taper on the
head. So while I’ve never heard the term before in my life, and certainly
have never heard it used in the context of bicycles, I’d say Tom is right.

  #45  
Old August 21st 19, 03:05 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Chalo
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

Tom Kunich wrote:

By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal
Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap
Screw in the wrong bin.


I had to look up your laughable term to see if anybody else had heard of it.. It turns out that an "internal wrenching bolt" is a Jim Crow-era NAS (US aviation industry) designation for a certain kind of cadmium-plated fastener which is by definition not metric. While the decorative head on a craptastic linear-pull brake cable fixing screw is superficially kind of similar, it's not an inch-sized, cadmium-plated, ludicrously expensive airplane part. So it's not what you say it is.

But feel free to keep doubling down.
  #46  
Old August 21st 19, 03:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On 8/20/2019 8:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/20/2019 8:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B.
Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK
wrote:
The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear
brake cable has become much looser than it used to
be. What is the name of the part so I can order
another one? (Hopefully they have some made of
harder steel.)

https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog

That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is
probably available at your nearest Ace Hardware store
in the Metric area.

Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just
a good hardware
store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt."

Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face.

The proper terminology is "one of them there thangs" :-)

--

Cheers,

John B.

I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool
crib and asked for a part. His description of the part.
"The whatcamacallit that fits on the doohickey that goes
on the thingamajig." I was amazed that the guy in the
tool crib handed him the part he needed. Apparently that
part broke frequently.

A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle
things makes it very difficult for those who'd like to
help a person with the questions.

Cheers

Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in
the door with
this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy
would look up
and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering
knuckle on the
1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B".
--

Cheers,

John B.


That just happened to me Saturday. "I've looked
everywhere for..."

"Simplex 503. $1.95"


Or $199.00 elsewhere, I see:
https://www.ebay.com/i/113775529548

Maybe it wasn't exactly the same?


I don't recall that FD number but the special shaped nut
with an m5x0.75 bolt which holds a rear derailleur adapter
into the axle slot has always been a Simplex 503 here (even
when it's made by SunRace or Shimano).



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #47  
Old August 21st 19, 03:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On 8/20/2019 9:05 PM, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal
Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap
Screw in the wrong bin.


I had to look up your laughable term to see if anybody else had heard of it. It turns out that an "internal wrenching bolt" is a Jim Crow-era NAS (US aviation industry) designation for a certain kind of cadmium-plated fastener which is by definition not metric. While the decorative head on a craptastic linear-pull brake cable fixing screw is superficially kind of similar, it's not an inch-sized, cadmium-plated, ludicrously expensive airplane part. So it's not what you say it is.

But feel free to keep doubling down.


Tom ( with some aircraft familiarity) is actually not wrong.

Damn now you reminded me there's no more cadmium plated
parts. Miss those.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #48  
Old August 21st 19, 04:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:08:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/20/2019 5:25 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:28:56 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog

That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt"

This made me laugh. It says so much with so few words. It even hints at an explanation (not to say excuse) for your politics.

A perhaps more widely understood technical term would be "M6 x 1.0 x 12 socket head cap screw".


Chalo - no one knows the size of these things if they're asking about it. It is a STANDARD type of screw that can be bought in any fully equipped Ace Hardware Store anywhere in the US.

By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin.


Yes. V-brake anchor bolts have an oddly shaped head but an
actual DIN #912 cap screw would both fit and are readily
available anywhere.


And, when you get right down to it don't make much difference. Way
back in the distant past when I was in collage my motorcycle had a
similar clamp bolt to hold the front brake cable and it was just a
simple hex head bolt with a washer :-)
--

Cheers,

John B.
  #49  
Old August 21st 19, 04:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:11:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK wrote:
The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear brake cable has become much looser than it used to be. What is the name of the part so I can order another one? (Hopefully they have some made of harder steel.)

https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog

That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is probably available at your nearest Ace Hardware store in the Metric area.

Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just a good hardware
store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt."

Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face.

The proper terminology is "one of them there thangs" :-)

--

Cheers,

John B.

I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool crib and asked for a part. His description of the part. "The whatcamacallit that fits on the doohickey that goes on the thingamajig." I was amazed that the guy in the tool crib handed him the part he needed. Apparently that part broke frequently.

A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle things makes it very difficult for those who'd like to help a person with the questions.

Cheers


Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in the door with
this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy would look up
and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering knuckle on the
1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B".
--

Cheers,

John B.


That just happened to me Saturday. "I've looked everywhere
for..."

"Simplex 503. $1.95"



I even remember the International guy that when I sort of flinched
when he mentioned the price for the rear axle bearings of my old I-H
pickup sort of looked over his shoulder and in a bit lower voice says
"Or you might try the Bearing, Belt and Chain, downtown."

I did and discovered that the exact same bearing, maker and model, was
appreciably cheaper when purchased from "the bearing shop".
--

Cheers,

John B.
  #50  
Old August 21st 19, 05:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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Default Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:05:20 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote:

Tom Kunich wrote:

By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal
Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap
Screw in the wrong bin.


I had to look up your laughable term to see if anybody else

had heard of it. It turns out that an "internal wrenching bolt" is a
Jim Crow-era NAS (US aviation industry) designation for a certain kind
of cadmium-plated fastener which is by definition not metric. While
the decorative head on a craptastic linear-pull brake cable fixing
screw is superficially kind of similar, it's not an inch-sized,
cadmium-plated, ludicrously expensive airplane part. So it's not what
you say it is.

But feel free to keep doubling down.



Nope. The "NAS" number has changed but the same old bolt is still
available. A NAS 147-53 is now called a MS25007-40

The AN- Army Navy specification series started in the early 1940s
NAS- National Aerospace Standards, started in 1941
MS- Military standard started around the 1950s

--

Cheers,

John B.
 




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