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9 sp HG cassette vs. Ultegra cassette
The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too,
it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T & 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? BC shiftless |
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On Jun 10, 4:48*pm, bcdrums wrote:
The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T & 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? Yes, you missed a smoking (in store) sale at Performance. I just got two Ultegra cassettes for $39 each. I see 270g for the Tiagra (HG-50) versus 217g for the Ultegra at the REI site, but it is not clear which gear range is being weighed. I saved probably 50+ grams which means I am going to go really, really fast now! (particularly if I remember to take the spare change out of my pockets and ride on the drops). I would not in a million years pay full retail for Ultegra. Tiagra is fine, although it probably has a slightly different carrier, plastic spacers and poorer finish (unnoticeable after 12.3 miles). You would have to be a real princess and the pea person to notice a difference in shifting. In my opinion, your only reasonable option is the Tiagra. I only got the Ultegras because (1) they were on sale at Performance, and (2) they were on sale at Performance, and there was nothing cheaper in the store in my preferred gear range. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 6/10/10 9:18 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Jun 10, 4:48 pm, wrote: The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T& 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? Yes, you missed a smoking (in store) sale at Performance. I just got two Ultegra cassettes for $39 each. I see 270g for the Tiagra (HG-50) versus 217g for the Ultegra at the REI site, but it is not clear which gear range is being weighed. I saved probably 50+ grams which means I am going to go really, really fast now! (particularly if I remember to take the spare change out of my pockets and ride on the drops). I checked the Performance site (and its evil twin, Nashbar) and the sale is not on. I got my prices and weights from the Harris Cyclery site, but 50 grams here or there is not going to speed me up or slow me down. Tiagra sounds like a laundry detergent. (Spellcheck wants to replace Tiagra with Viagra! Maybe Shimano will have a line like that in ten more years, as the boomers gear downward.) I would not in a million years pay full retail for Ultegra. Tiagra is fine, although it probably has a slightly different carrier, plastic spacers and poorer finish (unnoticeable after 12.3 miles). You would have to be a real princess and the pea person to notice a difference in shifting. In my opinion, your only reasonable option is the Tiagra. I only got the Ultegras because (1) they were on sale at Performance, and (2) they were on sale at Performance, and there was nothing cheaper in the store in my preferred gear range. -- Jay Beattie. So what's your gear range? I am going to 14x25. I use a triple, and don't need any thing lower for most riding, where I stay on the two larger rings. Way back on my first 10 speed, I had 14x28 which was more or less standard in the bike boom. BC gearing down |
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On Jun 10, 6:54*pm, bcdrums wrote:
On 6/10/10 9:18 PM, Jay Beattie wrote: On Jun 10, 4:48 pm, *wrote: The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T& *19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? Yes, you missed a smoking (in store) sale at Performance. *I just got two Ultegra cassettes for $39 each. *I see 270g for the Tiagra (HG-50) versus 217g for the Ultegra at the REI site, but it is not clear which gear range is being weighed. *I saved probably 50+ grams which means I am going to go really, really fast now! (particularly if I remember to take the spare change out of my pockets and ride on the drops). I checked the Performance site (and its evil twin, Nashbar) and the sale is not on. I got my prices and weights from the Harris Cyclery site, but 50 grams here or there is not going to speed me up or slow me down. Tiagra sounds like a laundry detergent. (Spellcheck wants to replace Tiagra with Viagra! Maybe Shimano will have a line like that in ten more years, as the boomers gear downward.) I would not in a million years pay full retail for Ultegra. *Tiagra is fine, although it probably has a slightly different carrier, plastic spacers and poorer finish (unnoticeable after 12.3 miles). *You would have to be a real princess and the pea person to notice a difference in shifting. *In my opinion, your only reasonable option is the Tiagra. *I only got the Ultegras because (1) they were on sale at Performance, and (2) they were on sale at Performance, and there was nothing cheaper in the store in my preferred gear range. -- Jay Beattie. So what's your gear range? I am going to 14x25. I use a triple, and don't need any thing lower for most riding, where I stay on the two larger rings. Way back on my first 10 speed, I had 14x28 which was more or less standard in the bike boom. My new Ultegras are 12/25 (racing bike) and 12/27 (commuter/cross bike). I rode 12/21 or 12/23 on my racing bike, but due to subtle tectonic lifting that has occurred over the last few years, the local hills have gotten steeper, and I find that the 25 or 26 is a good bail out gear. Actually I switched to a SRAM 12/26 after breaking my leg and found that I liked the lower gear even after my recovery (which is still in progress, actually with the opposite ankle). Speaking of SRAM, the Tiagra and the SRAM PG970 are pretty similar -- like Muzi says, you can unbolt the cogs if you want so you can collect and trade worn out cogs. They both have plastic spacers -- which some people criticize because they supposedly compress or wear out, which seems a little far fetched, but hey, who knows. I like the SRAM product. It occupies a price niche between Tiagra and Ultegra, and the 26t is a nice gear. I think, though, that I could be perfectly happy with a Tiagra. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Jun 10, 6:54 pm, bcdrums wrote:
On 6/10/10 9:18 PM, Jay Beattie wrote: On Jun 10, 4:48 pm, wrote: The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T& 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? Yes, you missed a smoking (in store) sale at Performance. I just got two Ultegra cassettes for $39 each. I see 270g for the Tiagra (HG-50) versus 217g for the Ultegra at the REI site, but it is not clear which gear range is being weighed. I saved probably 50+ grams which means I am going to go really, really fast now! (particularly if I remember to take the spare change out of my pockets and ride on the drops). I checked the Performance site (and its evil twin, Nashbar) and the sale is not on. I got my prices and weights from the Harris Cyclery site, but 50 grams here or there is not going to speed me up or slow me down. Tiagra sounds like a laundry detergent. (Spellcheck wants to replace Tiagra with Viagra! Maybe Shimano will have a line like that in ten more years, as the boomers gear downward.) Mine is called "Saint" :-) (Very expensive it was, too.) By swapping chains every couple of weeks (rotating three of them - two SRAM PC-971 and one 991), after about 9 months now, this cassette has *just* started to skip if I get up and jam on it hard to sprint through a yellow light or something. (I might try rotating four chains next time.) I would not in a million years pay full retail for Ultegra. Tiagra is fine, although it probably has a slightly different carrier, plastic spacers and poorer finish (unnoticeable after 12.3 miles). You would have to be a real princess and the pea person to notice a difference in shifting. In my opinion, your only reasonable option is the Tiagra. I only got the Ultegras because (1) they were on sale at Performance, and (2) they were on sale at Performance, and there was nothing cheaper in the store in my preferred gear range. -- Jay Beattie. So what's your gear range? I am going to 14x25. I use a triple, and don't need any thing lower for most riding, where I stay on the two larger rings. Way back on my first 10 speed, I had 14x28 which was more or less standard in the bike boom. I'm in a different realm, as you have road gear and I have MTB (48- tooth big ring), but anyway mine is 11-28. That's why I bought the Saint (HG80) - it gave me much tighter spacing where I wanted it (11-12-13-14) vs. the HG61 (11-13-15) that came stock on my bike. The 48 / 12-13-14 are my bread-and-butter, meat-and-potatoes. The 48 / 16 or 18 gets me up most hills, but I will drop all the way to 36 / 21 or even 24 for some steep ones. |
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On 6/12/10 12:35 PM, Dan O wrote:
On Jun 10, 6:54 pm, wrote: On 6/10/10 9:18 PM, Jay Beattie wrote: On Jun 10, 4:48 pm, wrote: The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T& 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? Yes, you missed a smoking (in store) sale at Performance. I just got two Ultegra cassettes for $39 each. I see 270g for the Tiagra (HG-50) versus 217g for the Ultegra at the REI site, but it is not clear which gear range is being weighed. I saved probably 50+ grams which means I am going to go really, really fast now! (particularly if I remember to take the spare change out of my pockets and ride on the drops). I checked the Performance site (and its evil twin, Nashbar) and the sale is not on. I got my prices and weights from the Harris Cyclery site, but 50 grams here or there is not going to speed me up or slow me down. Tiagra sounds like a laundry detergent. (Spellcheck wants to replace Tiagra with Viagra! Maybe Shimano will have a line like that in ten more years, as the boomers gear downward.) Mine is called "Saint" :-) (Very expensive it was, too.) By swapping chains every couple of weeks (rotating three of them - two SRAM PC-971 and one 991), after about 9 months now, this cassette has *just* started to skip if I get up and jam on it hard to sprint through a yellow light or something. (I might try rotating four chains next time.) I would not in a million years pay full retail for Ultegra. Tiagra is fine, although it probably has a slightly different carrier, plastic spacers and poorer finish (unnoticeable after 12.3 miles). You would have to be a real princess and the pea person to notice a difference in shifting. In my opinion, your only reasonable option is the Tiagra. I only got the Ultegras because (1) they were on sale at Performance, and (2) they were on sale at Performance, and there was nothing cheaper in the store in my preferred gear range. -- Jay Beattie. So what's your gear range? I am going to 14x25. I use a triple, and don't need any thing lower for most riding, where I stay on the two larger rings. Way back on my first 10 speed, I had 14x28 which was more or less standard in the bike boom. I'm in a different realm, as you have road gear and I have MTB (48- tooth big ring), but anyway mine is 11-28. That's why I bought the Saint (HG80) - it gave me much tighter spacing where I wanted it (11-12-13-14) vs. the HG61 (11-13-15) that came stock on my bike. We are in a similar realm. My chainrings are 48-38-24. But I like the lower gears, and mostly reside on 16-17-19-21. I am moving to the 14-25 to get the 18, which adds to my sweet spot. The 48 / 12-13-14 are my bread-and-butter, meat-and-potatoes. The 48 / 16 or 18 gets me up most hills, but I will drop all the way to 36 / 21 or even 24 for some steep ones. I go up most steep hills in 38-25, and can bail to the granny when needed. BC low & slow |
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bcdrums wrote:
I go up most steep hills in 38-25, and can bail to the granny when needed. I go up steep hills in 22-32, and get off and walk when needed John |
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bcdrums wrote:
The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T & 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? While it may not matter to you, the individual sprockets of a HG-50 may be swapped around but not on the CS-6500, which has rivetted carriers. For 2g and $65 I would suggest the HG-50. Or a SRAM product. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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"AMuzi" wrote in message
... bcdrums wrote: The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T & 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? While it may not matter to you, the individual sprockets of a HG-50 may be swapped around but not on the CS-6500, which has rivetted carriers. For 2g and $65 I would suggest the HG-50. Or a SRAM product. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I remain unimpressed with SRAMs consistency... or lack of. It's rare that swapping out a (new) Shimano cassette for another (new) cassette fixes anything, but I've had this happen too many times with SRAM to believe their QC is where it should be. This is across-the-board; the first bunch of uber-high-end XX cassettes had cogs that were machined just a bit too wide. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com |
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"AMuzi" wrote in message ... bcdrums wrote: The next time I replace my chain I will replace my 9 speed cassette too, it's looking worn. I have a Shimano 13-25 cassette now, will replace it with a 14-25 (which adds a midrange 18T between 17T & 19T). This cassette seems to be available in two models, a HG-50 for $31, and an Ultegra for $96. The two cassettes are almost identical in weight, only a 2g difference and are identical in cog configuration. For me, it seems the obvious choice is the HG at $31. It is hard to believe that the HG Ultegra will last three times longer than the HG, or shift three times better. Is there something I am missing? The cassette will go onto an Ultegra hub that is about 5 years old. Is there any compatibility issue? While it may not matter to you, the individual sprockets of a HG-50 may be swapped around but not on the CS-6500, which has rivetted carriers. For 2g and $65 I would suggest the HG-50. Or a SRAM product. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I remain unimpressed with SRAMs consistency... or lack of. It's rare that swapping out a (new) Shimano cassette for another (new) cassette fixes anything, but I've had this happen too many times with SRAM to believe their QC is where it should be. This is across-the-board; the first bunch of uber-high-end XX cassettes had cogs that were machined just a bit too wide. Yes, agreed on the bleeding edge of hi-zoot. SRAM owns the HG-50 class cassette market around here. Very happy with their standard range cassettes in 7-8-9-10. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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