MR. 60% takes full responsibility of what happens in his team!

Tuschinski wrote:
And drops Basso as a discarded tissue

"It's my responsibility to make this decision and suspend Ivan from the
race," Riis said. "I have to think about the team, that is now the most
important thing. I trust Ivan Basso, but now it is up to him and his
lawyers to show he has nothing to do with this affair."

Well the usual happens: The riders are being left to rot by their team
leaders.

Hey Riis.. you tell me that you had NO idea how Basso was training?
Even though you have a military style approach Basso's medical record
never struck you as odd? Your own doctors never saw any odd things?

Jeez... how that meanie of a Basso allmost besmirched you... Good thing
you dropped him

Oh and Lefev Take Musseeuw in your team as an adviser and demand
STRONG sanctions on those caught. You are a class act indeed.

This is why it is so preponderous that the top riders are going off and
doping "independently" when all of the teams have their own medical
staffs supposedly monitoring their "health". CSC stated that Basso's
contract forbade him from consulting outside medical assistance for his
training. Either CSC's medical staff sits on their asses all year, or
they are complicit.

It sounds like the current tactic has gotten away from team-based
doping programs, and more that everyone had to scramble and find thier
own networks and connections. But the teams have to at least tolerate
this, as clearly their own docs would have to notice the extreme hct
levels when they are doing EPO cycles. I can't imagine that during
January camps that no blood is being drawn.

The teams are not babysitters. They are trying to put together a squad
that attracts sponsors who'll pay more than the team shells out in
expenses. Getting on one of these teams is ultra competitive. Staying
on one of these teams is ultra competitive. Team needs results to keep
sponsors. Rider needs results to stay on team.

Unlike baseball and football, teams rarely offer extended, multi-year
deals to anyone. Perhaps having longer contracts for the riders might
take the pressure off for doping (somewhat).

What I'm getting at is, the team directors would really *like* to care
about policing their rider's lives, but they can't. I think we have a
pro peloton that is predominantly doped. Some of them through
organized doping programs of their teams, others through private
informal networks, and others (like today's news) are likely a
combination of the first two. Technically clean "teams" probably exist
(as far as structure), but the directors all know that the riders
insist on having their own private stock of imported ice (stored in ice
coolers) in their hotel rooms at major races. The directors just hope
that the riders have a good doc.


Tuschinski wrote:


I hope that some will break under pressure and spill the beans about
this system kept alive by these teams. As the number of targets is
quite big and spread over many teams it's not as easy to contain
(smother?)

wrote:

This is why it is so preponderous that the top riders are going off and
doping "independently" when all of the teams have their own medical
staffs supposedly monitoring their "health". CSC stated that Basso's
contract forbade him from consulting outside medical assistance for his
training. Either CSC's medical staff sits on their asses all year, or
they are complicit.

In a very bizarre coincidence, I spoke to one of the team's doctors
today. I learned that they would not have had any obvious indication
that Basso was doping.

Jeff

Jeff Jones wrote:
wrote:

This is why it is so preponderous that the top riders are going off and
doping "independently" when all of the teams have their own medical
staffs supposedly monitoring their "health". CSC stated that Basso's
contract forbade him from consulting outside medical assistance for his
training. Either CSC's medical staff sits on their asses all year, or
they are complicit.

In a very bizarre coincidence, I spoke to one of the team's doctors
today. I learned that they would not have had any obvious indication
that Basso was doping.

Jeff

Only as obvious as the testing you perform in-house.

Bjarne Riis has been a cancer at the heart of cycling since 1996. He is
the reason Indurain retired. He, and the other DSs treat the sport like
a Boys Club with no responibility. As long as you can buy and sell a
race and get a result for the sponsor, so what?

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"Tuschinski" wrote:


I hope that some will break under pressure and spill the beans about
this system kept alive by these teams. As the number of targets is
quite big and spread over many teams it's not as easy to contain
(smother?)

Hush money?

--
Michael Press

Stu Fleming wrote:
Bjarne Riis has been a cancer at the heart of cycling since 1996. He is
the reason Indurain retired. He, and the other DSs treat the sport like
a Boys Club with no responibility. As long as you can buy and sell a
race and get a result for the sponsor, so what?

I blame the UCI. Allfocus have deliberately been on the riders, not the
teams. The Festina case wouldn't have happened without the police being
triggered.

Jeff Jones wrote:
wrote:

This is why it is so preponderous that the top riders are going off and
doping "independently" when all of the teams have their own medical
staffs supposedly monitoring their "health". CSC stated that Basso's
contract forbade him from consulting outside medical assistance for his
training. Either CSC's medical staff sits on their asses all year, or
they are complicit.

In a very bizarre coincidence, I spoke to one of the team's doctors
today. I learned that they would not have had any obvious indication
that Basso was doping.

Jeff

The odd Hematocrit levels wouldn't show? The IV wounds of unknown
treatments didn't strike as odd? The daily taking in of epo during the
offseason (Supposed when CSC was holding it's big camp) never was
noticed?

There I was thinking that CSC had a very competent staff^^

Tuschinski wrote:
Jeff Jones wrote:


In a very bizarre coincidence, I spoke to one of the team's doctors
today. I learned that they would not have had any obvious indication
that Basso was doping.

Jeff

The odd Hematocrit levels wouldn't show? The IV wounds of unknown
treatments didn't strike as odd? The daily taking in of epo during the
offseason (Supposed when CSC was holding it's big camp) never was
noticed?

If it's not there, it won't be noticed. The doctors aren't naive, and
obviously they don't monitor the riders each week, but if they see
totally normal blood values from all the riders, then they wouldn't
have much reason to suspect.

At the moment, what's been shown is that all the riders on the list
have had some sort of contact with the good doctor in Spain. The
evidence seems heavily stacked against him, and also against quite a
few riders (the doping programs, blood bags etc). But for others,
there's less evidence. So we'll see what eventually shakes out from
this.

All those riders had to leave because of the code of ethics. If they
are named in any sort of investigation, then they can't race.

Jeff