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On Dec 17, 2:15*pm, "
wrote: On Dec 17, 1:59*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 6:08*am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 7:41*am, jim beam wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:07 -0800, Jay Beattie wrote: snip for clarity On a somewhat tech note, I went to put on my (car) snow wheels on Saturday, and my aluminum rims had welded to the iron hubs. *Should have used my anti-seize! *Getting those mo-fos off was a monumental PIA, but finally got it done. actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. *a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. *Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. *I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. *Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. *That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. Anyway, I rode to work on my new, cheap-o Innova ice tires today. *Not going to win any races on those fatties, but, wow, they really do work well on ice. *I was getting a little too cocky and almost wiped out. They are not good on dry pavement, though. *They squirm and float quite a bit, and the tread is not that straight -- or else it looks crooked because the tires are slowly blowing off my svelt Open Pros. That happened when I was blowing one up, but the tube is so beefy that at 60psi, a 4" section just bulged out and sat there. *It's *near white-out looking out my office window, so I guess I will have plenty of fresh snow and ice for the ride home.-- Jay Beattie. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm using my new Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x35 studded tires. *They ride perfectly fine on dry pavement. *In loose snow, such as on the side of the road after the cars have pounded it for awhile, they can get squirrely. *Ice or dry pavement, great traction. *They are slower than regular tires. *Partly because I only put 35 psi in them to allow them to flatten out as much as possible and get all 4 rows of studs in contact with the ground. http://www.amazon.com/Schwalbe-Marat...ck/dp/B00113L8... http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Those Schwalbe look mighty nice (I have the Schwalbe Blizzards on this bike for ordinary riding), but they are two to three times the price I paid for my beater Innovas. If I lived in Minnesota, I might make the investment. Bike Tires Direct has a whole slew of ice tires including the Schwalbe. http://www.biketiresdirect.com/searc...?ss=330&cat=su I just felt that in these tough economic times, I should support Chinese industry. And melamine gives me added grip on ice. -- Jay Beattie. |
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"Jay Beattie" wrote in message ... On Dec 17, 2:15 pm, " wrote: On Dec 17, 1:59 pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 6:08 am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 7:41 am, jim beam wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:07 -0800, Jay Beattie wrote: snip for clarity On a somewhat tech note, I went to put on my (car) snow wheels on Saturday, and my aluminum rims had welded to the iron hubs. Should have used my anti-seize! Getting those mo-fos off was a monumental PIA, but finally got it done. actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. Anyway, I rode to work on my new, cheap-o Innova ice tires today. Not going to win any races on those fatties, but, wow, they really do work well on ice. I was getting a little too cocky and almost wiped out. They are not good on dry pavement, though. They squirm and float quite a bit, and the tread is not that straight -- or else it looks crooked because the tires are slowly blowing off my svelt Open Pros. That happened when I was blowing one up, but the tube is so beefy that at 60psi, a 4" section just bulged out and sat there. It's near white-out looking out my office window, so I guess I will have plenty of fresh snow and ice for the ride home.-- Jay Beattie. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm using my new Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x35 studded tires. They ride perfectly fine on dry pavement. In loose snow, such as on the side of the road after the cars have pounded it for awhile, they can get squirrely. Ice or dry pavement, great traction. They are slower than regular tires. Partly because I only put 35 psi in them to allow them to flatten out as much as possible and get all 4 rows of studs in contact with the ground. http://www.amazon.com/Schwalbe-Marat...ck/dp/B00113L8... http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Those Schwalbe look mighty nice (I have the Schwalbe Blizzards on this bike for ordinary riding), but they are two to three times the price I paid for my beater Innovas. If I lived in Minnesota, I might make the investment. Bike Tires Direct has a whole slew of ice tires including the Schwalbe. http://www.biketiresdirect.com/searc...?ss=330&cat=su I just felt that in these tough economic times, I should support Chinese industry. And melamine gives me added grip on ice. -- Jay Beattie. Jay, "...slew of ice tires..." gave me a good laugh, thanks, Kerry |
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On Dec 17, 3:25*pm, "Kerry Montgomery" wrote:
"Jay Beattie" wrote in message ... On Dec 17, 2:15 pm, " wrote: On Dec 17, 1:59 pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 6:08 am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 7:41 am, jim beam wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:07 -0800, Jay Beattie wrote: snip for clarity On a somewhat tech note, I went to put on my (car) snow wheels on Saturday, and my aluminum rims had welded to the iron hubs. Should have used my anti-seize! Getting those mo-fos off was a monumental PIA, but finally got it done. actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. Anyway, I rode to work on my new, cheap-o Innova ice tires today. Not going to win any races on those fatties, but, wow, they really do work well on ice. I was getting a little too cocky and almost wiped out. They are not good on dry pavement, though. They squirm and float quite a bit, and the tread is not that straight -- or else it looks crooked because the tires are slowly blowing off my svelt Open Pros. That happened when I was blowing one up, but the tube is so beefy that at 60psi, a 4" section just bulged out and sat there. It's near white-out looking out my office window, so I guess I will have plenty of fresh snow and ice for the ride home.-- Jay Beattie. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm using my new Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x35 studded tires. They ride perfectly fine on dry pavement. In loose snow, such as on the side of the road after the cars have pounded it for awhile, they can get squirrely. Ice or dry pavement, great traction. They are slower than regular tires. Partly because I only put 35 psi in them to allow them to flatten out as much as possible and get all 4 rows of studs in contact with the ground. http://www.amazon.com/Schwalbe-Marat...ck/dp/B00113L8... http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Those Schwalbe look mighty nice (I have the Schwalbe Blizzards on this bike for ordinary riding), but they are two to three times the price I paid for my beater Innovas. *If I lived in Minnesota, I might make the investment. Bike Tires Direct has a whole slew of ice tires including the Schwalbe.http://www.biketiresdirect.com/searc...?ss=330&cat=su I just felt that in these tough economic times, I should support Chinese industry. And melamine gives me added grip on ice. -- Jay Beattie. Jay, "...slew of ice tires..." gave me a good laugh, thanks, Kerry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not a slew? Hey, I was happy they had two for me. Those tires were great for riding home tonight in the epic snow storm (which seemed a lot like the usual rain storm). News at 6,7,8,9,10 . . . -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Dec 17, 4:31*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Dec 17, 2:15*pm, " wrote: On Dec 17, 1:59*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 6:08*am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 7:41*am, jim beam wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:07 -0800, Jay Beattie wrote: snip for clarity On a somewhat tech note, I went to put on my (car) snow wheels on Saturday, and my aluminum rims had welded to the iron hubs. *Should have used my anti-seize! *Getting those mo-fos off was a monumental PIA, but finally got it done. actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. *a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. *Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. *I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. *Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. *That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. Anyway, I rode to work on my new, cheap-o Innova ice tires today. *Not going to win any races on those fatties, but, wow, they really do work well on ice. *I was getting a little too cocky and almost wiped out.. They are not good on dry pavement, though. *They squirm and float quite a bit, and the tread is not that straight -- or else it looks crooked because the tires are slowly blowing off my svelt Open Pros. That happened when I was blowing one up, but the tube is so beefy that at 60psi, a 4" section just bulged out and sat there. *It's *near white-out looking out my office window, so I guess I will have plenty of fresh snow and ice for the ride home.-- Jay Beattie. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm using my new Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x35 studded tires. *They ride perfectly fine on dry pavement. *In loose snow, such as on the side of the road after the cars have pounded it for awhile, they can get squirrely. *Ice or dry pavement, great traction. *They are slower than regular tires. *Partly because I only put 35 psi in them to allow them to flatten out as much as possible and get all 4 rows of studs in contact with the ground. http://www.amazon.com/Schwalbe-Marat...ck/dp/B00113L8... http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Those Schwalbe look mighty nice (I have the Schwalbe Blizzards on this bike for ordinary riding), but they are two to three times the price I paid for my beater Innovas. *If I lived in Minnesota, I might make the investment. Bike Tires Direct has a whole slew of ice tires including the Schwalbe.http://www.biketiresdirect.com/searc...?ss=330&cat=su I just felt that in these tough economic times, I should support Chinese industry. And melamine gives me added grip on ice. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Twice the price. But over twice the studs. 240 compared to 110. Carbide instead of carbon steel. They are the most expensive bike tires I've ever bought. |
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On Dec 18, 8:42*am, "
wrote: On Dec 17, 4:31*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 2:15*pm, " wrote: On Dec 17, 1:59*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 6:08*am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 7:41*am, jim beam wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:07 -0800, Jay Beattie wrote: snip for clarity On a somewhat tech note, I went to put on my (car) snow wheels on Saturday, and my aluminum rims had welded to the iron hubs. *Should have used my anti-seize! *Getting those mo-fos off was a monumental PIA, but finally got it done. actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. *a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. *Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. *I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. *Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. *That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. Anyway, I rode to work on my new, cheap-o Innova ice tires today. *Not going to win any races on those fatties, but, wow, they really do work well on ice. *I was getting a little too cocky and almost wiped out. They are not good on dry pavement, though. *They squirm and float quite a bit, and the tread is not that straight -- or else it looks crooked because the tires are slowly blowing off my svelt Open Pros.. That happened when I was blowing one up, but the tube is so beefy that at 60psi, a 4" section just bulged out and sat there. *It's *near white-out looking out my office window, so I guess I will have plenty of fresh snow and ice for the ride home.-- Jay Beattie. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm using my new Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x35 studded tires. *They ride perfectly fine on dry pavement. *In loose snow, such as on the side of the road after the cars have pounded it for awhile, they can get squirrely. *Ice or dry pavement, great traction. *They are slower than regular tires. *Partly because I only put 35 psi in them to allow them to flatten out as much as possible and get all 4 rows of studs in contact with the ground. http://www.amazon.com/Schwalbe-Marat...ck/dp/B00113L8.... http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/stud...asp-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Those Schwalbe look mighty nice (I have the Schwalbe Blizzards on this bike for ordinary riding), but they are two to three times the price I paid for my beater Innovas. *If I lived in Minnesota, I might make the investment. Bike Tires Direct has a whole slew of ice tires including the Schwalbe.http://www.biketiresdirect.com/searc...?ss=330&cat=su I just felt that in these tough economic times, I should support Chinese industry. And melamine gives me added grip on ice. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Twice the price. *But over twice the studs. *240 compared to 110. Carbide instead of carbon steel. *They are the most expensive bike tires I've ever bought.- Hide quoted text - The steel quality is important, although I'll be dead before I wear these things out with the number of days per year I expect to use them. I think carbide would be a must have in Minnesota. What I wonder about and could read-up on (if I were to move to Minnesota) is tread pattern and stud number. Some of the Nokians have less studs than my Innovas, and the Schwalbes and other Nokians have more studs but a less aggressive tread pattern. Peter White explains some of these design choices and gives reasons for choosing one design over another -- and a serious purchaser would really have to think about where, when and how he or she intends to ride. I would also be curious to find out what tire has the best float in slush and till, since that is where I have most of my troubles on the Innovas. Ice is no problem, and on packed snow, I could ride my regular Hutchinson cross tires. In the till, though, I fish-tail badly, which is disconcerting with cars passing nearby. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:52:56 +0000, Clive George wrote:
"Jay Beattie" wrote in message ... On Dec 17, 6:08 am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 7:41 am, jim beam wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:07 -0800, Jay Beattie wrote: snip for clarity On a somewhat tech note, I went to put on my (car) snow wheels on Saturday, and my aluminum rims had welded to the iron hubs. Should have used my anti-seize! Getting those mo-fos off was a monumental PIA, but finally got it done. actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. My 4lb club hammer was bought specifically to remove a wheel from my car. I'd tried the 1lb one, no joy, no matter how hard I went at it. 4lb one, smack, wheel off. smack. brinelled bearings. specifically unjoyous deployment of a 4lb hammer when the car's own function can serve the purpose, and not damage anything. |
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, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 18, 8:42*am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 4:31*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 2:15*pm, " wrote: On Dec 17, 1:59*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Dec 17, 6:08*am, " wrote: On Dec 17, 7:41*am, jim beam wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:25:07 -0800, Jay Beattie wrote: snip for clarity On a somewhat tech note, I went to put on my (car) snow wheels on Saturday, and my aluminum rims had welded to the iron hubs. *Should have used my anti-seize! *Getting those mo-fos off was a monumental PIA, but finally got it done. actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. *a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. *Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. *I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. *Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. *That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. Anyway, I rode to work on my new, cheap-o Innova ice tires today. *Not going to win any races on those fatties, but, wow, they really do work well on ice. *I was getting a little too cocky and almost wiped out. They are not good on dry pavement, though. *They squirm and float quite a bit, and the tread is not that straight -- or else it looks crooked because the tires are slowly blowing off my svelt Open Pros. That happened when I was blowing one up, but the tube is so beefy that at 60psi, a 4" section just bulged out and sat there. *It's *near white-out looking out my office window, so I guess I will have plenty of fresh snow and ice for the ride home.-- Jay Beattie. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm using my new Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x35 studded tires. *They ride perfectly fine on dry pavement. *In loose snow, such as on the side of the road after the cars have pounded it for awhile, they can get squirrely. *Ice or dry pavement, great traction. *They are slower than regular tires. *Partly because I only put 35 psi in them to allow them to flatten out as much as possible and get all 4 rows of studs in contact with the ground. http://www.amazon.com/Schwalbe-Marat...-Black/dp/B001 13L8... http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/stud...asp-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Those Schwalbe look mighty nice (I have the Schwalbe Blizzards on this bike for ordinary riding), but they are two to three times the price I paid for my beater Innovas. *If I lived in Minnesota, I might make the investment. Bike Tires Direct has a whole slew of ice tires including the Schwalbe.http://www.biketiresdirect.com/searc...ts.asp?ss=330& cat=su I just felt that in these tough economic times, I should support Chinese industry. And melamine gives me added grip on ice. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Twice the price. *But over twice the studs. *240 compared to 110. Carbide instead of carbon steel. *They are the most expensive bike tires I've ever bought.- Hide quoted text - The steel quality is important, although I'll be dead before I wear these things out with the number of days per year I expect to use them. I think carbide would be a must have in Minnesota There are other options, such as the famed "Gossamer Walrus:" http://www.velomobiling.com/gallery/...s/IceBike2007/ With video: http://velomobiling.blogspot.com/200...ce-biking.html http://www.calhouncycle.com/events/i...01icehome.html |
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"jim beam" wrote in message
... actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. My 4lb club hammer was bought specifically to remove a wheel from my car. I'd tried the 1lb one, no joy, no matter how hard I went at it. 4lb one, smack, wheel off. smack. brinelled bearings. specifically unjoyous deployment of a 4lb hammer when the car's own function can serve the purpose, and not damage anything. And what sort of loads + impacts do the bearings get in normal use? What impacts do they get when you're driving around with loose nuts? You're raising bogus worries. |
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"Clive George" wrote: "jim beam" wrote in message ... actually pretty easy to do this - simply loosen the lug nuts a couple of turns, then go drive around the block. a couple of hard braking episodes will break free the stubbornest of rusted wheels. God Danged Jim. Thats the only intelligent thing you've ever posted on this forum. I did that, and it worked with the front wheel but not the rear wheel. I had to take additional measures for the rear wheel, including putting some Liquid Wrench between the rim and hub and engaging in the telephone book rhumba -- you loosen the lug nuts and then drive the stuck wheel over a phone book, back and forth. Then you kick the wheel in strategic locations. That finally worked. Or maybe it was the swearing that did it. My 4lb club hammer was bought specifically to remove a wheel from my car. I'd tried the 1lb one, no joy, no matter how hard I went at it. 4lb one, smack, wheel off. smack. brinelled bearings. specifically unjoyous deployment of a 4lb hammer when the car's own function can serve the purpose, and not damage anything. And what sort of loads + impacts do the bearings get in normal use? What impacts do they get when you're driving around with loose nuts? You're raising bogus worries. Not our jim! |
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