Bicyclists going wrong way and other crimes

In article ,
(Hunrobe) writes:
Zoot Katz

wrote:


03 Aug 2004 17:36:56 GMT,
,
(Hunrobe) wrote:

Zoot Katz

wrote in part:

I've been an unabashedly
semi-rabid car basher the better part of my life

I don't know anyone in this NG (except maybe Red Cloud and other assorted
trolls and they hardly count) that would call you a "semi" rabid car basher,
Zoot. Rabid? Yes. Semi? No. g

Does that mean I'm making progress?

I calculate that you'll arrive at semi-rabid status eventually but it will
probably be a side effect of senility. g

Yeah, people mellow out in dotage ;-)


cheers,
Tom

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Zoot Katz wrote:

Get this, DRIVERS ARE SCUM!
They won't need and excuse to run you over.

Hey Zoot! Just how many times have you been run
over by a car?

I'm thinking perhaps 8 or 10 would be needed to
generate your radical (rabid???) anti-car views.

If you ever do go off the deep end, and end up in
court for trashing some motorist for getting too
close to your bike, don't forget Google for use in
your defense.

You've got years of paper trail to back up a sort
of bicycling-auto PTSD, that can probably spring
you on any action you might take against a motorist
some day!


SMH

Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:35:38 -0400, ,
Stephen Harding wrote:

Hey Zoot! Just how many times have you been run
over by a car?

I'm thinking perhaps 8 or 10 would be needed to
generate your radical (rabid???) anti-car views.

Actually only two collisions with vans while I was on a bicycle and
without suffering anything more serious than a broken arm.

It's more society's acceptance of drivers' general rudeness and
dangerously careless attitudes that fosters the deep loathing I hold
for this corrupted culture that apparently values its cars over human
life.

I detest what the overriding need to accommodate automobiles has done
to our built environment by creating places unfit for human
habitation.

And they're noisy, filthy and stinky.
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On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:50:10 -0700, Bill Baka wrote:

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:12:42 GMT, Claire Petersky
wrote:

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
news
Can we just
let this thread die?

Bill, probably every experienced cyclist has had the experience of
dealing with wrong-way cyclists. It is very frustrating, because we
know what they are doing is very dangerous, and everyone's going
too fast to have a decent conversation about how mistaken they are
to bicycle the wrong way. We are persistent here because we are all
actually sitting at desks and not on bikes. For once, we can grab
the wrong-way cyclist by the shoulders and shout, "Don't do that!
It's really, really dumb!"

I prediction no one's going to give up on this thread until you
either are quiet or agree with us.

I never really disagreed, I just mentioned that there was one
segment of road that has such crummy conditions that some times I
ride on the wrong side. One road! Bad road. No bicycle lane.
Rednecks. Only 1 car per minute.

After having argued this a bit, I must concede that there are some
roads where it might possibly make sense to do what you're doing. The
fact that you know that riding wrong way is generally undesirable, and
that you don't do it anywhere else but on this one section, means that
you deserve some slack, IMHO. That DJT fool, OTOH, ....

There's one short stretch on my "hill loop", in fact: the right
side of the road (rural, lane-and-a-half-with-not-even-a-stripe-down-
the-center) is in *such* ****ty condition as to be impassable on
a road bike at any decent speed. This is a short, straight section
with a long sightline. I ride wrong-way to get around the lunar
surface portion of the road, do a head check, and then get back to
where I should be.

I wouldn't ride it at all, but the rolling terrain provides a
great "bicycle fartlek" workout.

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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:32:58 GMT, Chris BeHanna
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:50:10 -0700, Bill Baka wrote:

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:12:42 GMT, Claire Petersky
wrote:

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
news Can we just
let this thread die?

Bill, probably every experienced cyclist has had the experience of
dealing with wrong-way cyclists. It is very frustrating, because we
know what they are doing is very dangerous, and everyone's going
too fast to have a decent conversation about how mistaken they are
to bicycle the wrong way. We are persistent here because we are all
actually sitting at desks and not on bikes. For once, we can grab
the wrong-way cyclist by the shoulders and shout, "Don't do that!
It's really, really dumb!"

I prediction no one's going to give up on this thread until you
either are quiet or agree with us.

I never really disagreed, I just mentioned that there was one
segment of road that has such crummy conditions that some times I
ride on the wrong side. One road! Bad road. No bicycle lane.
Rednecks. Only 1 car per minute.

After having argued this a bit, I must concede that there are some
roads where it might possibly make sense to do what you're doing. The
fact that you know that riding wrong way is generally undesirable, and
that you don't do it anywhere else but on this one section, means that
you deserve some slack, IMHO. That DJT fool, OTOH, ....

Thanks for that.
I rode into one other thing in town and traffic that actually caused me
to dismount, traffic and bad road design. Marysville, Ca.
Hwy.65 coming into town at rush hour. No consideration for bikes at all.

There's one short stretch on my "hill loop", in fact: the right
side of the road (rural, lane-and-a-half-with-not-even-a-stripe-down-
the-center) is in *such* ****ty condition as to be impassable on
a road bike at any decent speed. This is a short, straight section
with a long sightline. I ride wrong-way to get around the lunar
surface portion of the road, do a head check, and then get back to
where I should be.

I see you use the "Loop" concept as well. My around the block is just
a bit over 6 miles at about 24 minutes average. Did ten in one day for
a 60 mile total with the house and food every 6 miles, so
kind of cheating. Country side has no blocks, so take them as you can.
No hills to attack though, they are a 20 mile ride to get to.
Beale AFB is between me and the fun stuff.

I wouldn't ride it at all, but the rolling terrain provides a
great "bicycle fartlek" workout.

Yes, we need more hills. Let's put it on the Democrats agenda,
"More hills, more bikes."
Bill Baka


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"Zoot Katz" wrote in message
...

I detest what the overriding need to accommodate automobiles has done
to our built environment by creating places unfit for human
habitation.

And they're noisy, filthy and stinky.

Well then you'd REALLY enjoy what I have to put up with this week in Reno.
It's called Hot August Nights and it's a tribute to the American car culture
of the 50's and 60's. Literally 10's of thousands of "classic" cars
converge on Reno this week.

http://www.hotaugustnights.net/about.php

A really HUGE event, seemingly tailor made, just for you. 8-)

Dave

"Raoul Duke" wrote in message
...
Well then you'd REALLY enjoy what I have to put up with this week in Reno.
It's called Hot August Nights and it's a tribute to the American car
culture
of the 50's and 60's. Literally 10's of thousands of "classic" cars
converge on Reno this week.

http://www.hotaugustnights.net/about.php

A really HUGE event, seemingly tailor made, just for you. 8-)
I would love to be there and get to see and hear all of the
older cars. I like cars a lot and the technical advances in
bikes is one of the things that I like about them as well.
The current bikes are far more interesting than the old
10 speed bikes.

Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:42:13 -0700, ,
"Raoul Duke" wrote:

Literally 10's of thousands of "classic" cars
converge on Reno this week.

http://www.hotaugustnights.net/about.php

A really HUGE event, seemingly tailor made, just for you. 8-)

Only if there's a big hail storm too.
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zk

Bill Baka

wrote in part:

Yes, we need more hills. Let's put it on the Democrats agenda,

Careful, Bill. It is an election year after all. Some politician *will* promise
it only to break the promise after being elected... and after commissioning an
expensive feasibility study... paid for with tax money... paid to his
brother-in-law's cousin's neighbor's best friend's company... who were major
contributors to his campaign.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

"Zoot Katz" wrote in message
...

Only if there's a big hail storm too.

Aw, c'mon, be nice. Actually, most of these people never drive these
things.

Dave