ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF

Bob Schwartz wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

So you are saying that lab mistakes don't happen, and
athletes that come up positive are always guilty, right?

Bob Schwartz



Lab mistakes do happen, but for the most part they don't matter. I
don't believe a single cyclist has been found guilty who hasn't doped.
Including Fraud.


Including Moninger?

Bob Schwartz


Moninger's case was a case of contaminated supplements. That has
nothing to do with lab tests being in error.

There was nothing wrong with the lab test in Moninger's case (or Neben's
case for that matter).

Why is it that you people have such a complete lack of knowledge for the
facts and details and all your arguments come off like some layperson
talking about the Theory of Relativity?

Magilla

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Hey dumbass,

Most NRC races don't follow UCI rules either even though USA Cycling
- like the FFC - is "member of the UCI."



Dumbass,

They don't?

Bob Schwartz



No, they don't. They follow USCF rules. Ever hear of the USCF
rulebook? If you haven't, then you should change your name to Shawn
Farrell or become a USCF official.

Because you are qualified based on your post.


Dumbass,

Are there any clauses in the USCF rulebook referencing
UCI rules?

Bob Schwartz


Either the race is run under USCF rules or UCI rules.

All NRC races are run under USCF rules, not UCI rules (unless the race
is UCI sanctioned, of course).

Don't try to turn this debate into a ****ing puzzle when there isn't one.


Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Hey dumbass,

Most NRC races don't follow UCI rules either even though USA
Cycling - like the FFC - is "member of the UCI."



Dumbass,

They don't?

Bob Schwartz



No, they don't. They follow USCF rules. Ever hear of the USCF
rulebook? If you haven't, then you should change your name to Shawn
Farrell or become a USCF official.

Because you are qualified based on your post.


Dumbass,

Are there any clauses in the USCF rulebook referencing
UCI rules?

Bob Schwartz


Either the race is run under USCF rules or UCI rules.

All NRC races are run under USCF rules, not UCI rules (unless the race
is UCI sanctioned, of course).

Don't try to turn this debate into a ****ing puzzle when there isn't one.


Magilla

Gaytard,

It's not a puzzle. It's clearly stated in the USCF
rulebook. So, the answer to whether UCI rules
apply to NRC races run under USCF rules is clear.

Bob Schwartz

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Bob Schwartz wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

So you are saying that lab mistakes don't happen, and
athletes that come up positive are always guilty, right?

Bob Schwartz



Lab mistakes do happen, but for the most part they don't matter. I
don't believe a single cyclist has been found guilty who hasn't
doped. Including Fraud.


Including Moninger?

Bob Schwartz


Moninger's case was a case of contaminated supplements. That has
nothing to do with lab tests being in error.

There was nothing wrong with the lab test in Moninger's case (or Neben's
case for that matter).

Why is it that you people have such a complete lack of knowledge for the
facts and details and all your arguments come off like some layperson
talking about the Theory of Relativity?

So you are saying that there was nothing wrong
with the lab test that found that the supplements
weren't contaminated? Which brings us back to
Magilla's Rule that all guilty cyclists doped?

Is there a corollary that exempts cyclists that
Magilla likes?

Bob Schwartz

Bob Schwartz wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

So you are saying that lab mistakes don't happen, and
athletes that come up positive are always guilty, right?

Bob Schwartz




Lab mistakes do happen, but for the most part they don't matter. I
don't believe a single cyclist has been found guilty who hasn't
doped. Including Fraud.



Including Moninger?

Bob Schwartz



Moninger's case was a case of contaminated supplements. That has
nothing to do with lab tests being in error.

There was nothing wrong with the lab test in Moninger's case (or
Neben's case for that matter).

Why is it that you people have such a complete lack of knowledge for
the facts and details and all your arguments come off like some
layperson talking about the Theory of Relativity?


So you are saying that there was nothing wrong
with the lab test that found that the supplements
weren't contaminated?


Dude,

Not even Moninger thinks there was anything wrong with the UCLA lab
testing in his case.


Magilla

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Hey dumbass,

Most NRC races don't follow UCI rules either even though USA
Cycling - like the FFC - is "member of the UCI."




Dumbass,

They don't?

Bob Schwartz




No, they don't. They follow USCF rules. Ever hear of the USCF
rulebook? If you haven't, then you should change your name to
Shawn Farrell or become a USCF official.

Because you are qualified based on your post.



Dumbass,

Are there any clauses in the USCF rulebook referencing
UCI rules?

Bob Schwartz



Either the race is run under USCF rules or UCI rules.

All NRC races are run under USCF rules, not UCI rules (unless the race
is UCI sanctioned, of course).

Don't try to turn this debate into a ****ing puzzle when there isn't one.


Magilla


Gaytard,

It's not a puzzle. It's clearly stated in the USCF
rulebook. So, the answer to whether UCI rules
apply to NRC races run under USCF rules is clear.

Bob Schwartz


Asshat,

NRC races are not run under UCI rules. They are run under USCF rules
(unless they are UCI sanctioned - such as Mt. Hood).

Ever see an official's communique from an NRC race? They cite
violations of USCF rules and level fines accordingly.

You are not lucid.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Hey dumbass,

Most NRC races don't follow UCI rules either even though USA
Cycling - like the FFC - is "member of the UCI."




Dumbass,

They don't?

Bob Schwartz




No, they don't. They follow USCF rules. Ever hear of the USCF
rulebook? If you haven't, then you should change your name to
Shawn Farrell or become a USCF official.

Because you are qualified based on your post.



Dumbass,

Are there any clauses in the USCF rulebook referencing
UCI rules?

Bob Schwartz



Either the race is run under USCF rules or UCI rules.

All NRC races are run under USCF rules, not UCI rules (unless the
race is UCI sanctioned, of course).

Don't try to turn this debate into a ****ing puzzle when there isn't
one.


Magilla


Gaytard,

It's not a puzzle. It's clearly stated in the USCF
rulebook. So, the answer to whether UCI rules
apply to NRC races run under USCF rules is clear.

Bob Schwartz


Asshat,

NRC races are not run under UCI rules. They are run under USCF rules
(unless they are UCI sanctioned - such as Mt. Hood).

Ever see an official's communique from an NRC race? They cite
violations of USCF rules and level fines accordingly.

You are not lucid.

Your inability to admit that you're wrong, even
when it's in black and white like it is in the
USCF rulebook (which is online, if you would care
to check) is what makes it so trivial to run you
around the rhetorical velodrome, accelerating in
each and every turn.

But it does get tiresome after a while.

Bob Schwartz

Bob Schwartz wrote:
Your inability to admit that you're wrong, even when it's in black and
white

Doesn't that ring a bell ?

Donald Munro wrote:
Bob Schwartz wrote:
Your inability to admit that you're wrong, even when it's in black and
white

Doesn't that ring a bell ?


I never should of open sourced him.

Bob Schwartz

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Ever see an official's communique from an NRC race? They cite
violations of USCF rules and level fines accordingly.

Where do they get the schedule of fines? It's in the
rulebook, you could check if you wanted.

Bob Schwartz