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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Snipped or https://www.benscycle.com/white-indu...an_485/product if you're wealthy. -- - Frank Krygowski Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers |
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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 22:58:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/14/2019 8:30 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: MUCH DELETED Yes! Bontrager, which seems to be a TREK brand, has a thing that you sit on which is suppose to "measure" you and allow the selection of a saddle that fits perfectly. Having already bought a large of saddles that didn't fit I tried it out and bought a brand new Bontrager's saddle... it didn't fit :-( Luckily I bought, years ago, a second hand bike with a saddle that was a perfect fit and that had the brand and model number stamped on it. A Velo V-1205. Unfortunately Velo saddles don't seemed to be common here so I've only been able to buy one more, second hand. That's another aspect of "churn" - less nefarious, but almost as frustrating: You find some item that you really, really like, you plan on using them forever, but in a couple years they've been redesigned or taken off the market entirely. Why? It seems lots of manufacturers just like to keep doing "new!" things. It's not at all limited to the bike industry. LL Bean no longer makes my favorite nylon shell jacket, so I'm sewing the worn fabric of my old one. My wife's favorite sandals are no longer available. Our toaster died after many years, and we had to settle for an inferior one. And things like software, apps or web pages are worst of all. "Here's a brand new operator interface! You just _try_ to figure out what you used to do with ease! Bwaahaahaaaaa!" But as Andrew pointed out, there's sometimes the possibility of rescue via interenet search and/or Ebay. And sometimes things do come back: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lyo...3/153329595107 turned into https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...atform-pedals/ or https://www.benscycle.com/white-indu...an_485/product if you're wealthy. L.L. Bean used to sell stuff for folks that actually worked or hunted. their "Leather top" boots were almost universal wear for working men, in upstate New England in the winter when I was a kid. then the Old Man died and the son took over. I guess he realized that there were a lot of people "out there" besides workers and hunters and the store took on a whole new look (and I'd guess that gross income increased tremendously). Progress I guess and they do still sell the (what we called) "leather tops". Re Web pages... it seems to me that "back in the good old days" you could do a search for something and get a page that was a definite answer to your question. Today it seems that most of what you get is someone's opinion. I recently searched for "tubeless bicycle tire" and found sites that told me that they were the best thing since sliced bread and other sites that told me that they were an abomination. While that is different than it used to be I'm not sure that it is progress :-) Cheers, John B. |
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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:34:51 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Snipped or https://www.benscycle.com/white-indu...an_485/product if you're wealthy. -- - Frank Krygowski Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers But you also get Earn 1649 Reward Points :-) Cheers, John B. |
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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:42:07 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:34:51 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Snipped or https://www.benscycle.com/white-indu...an_485/product if you're wealthy. -- - Frank Krygowski Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers But you also get Earn 1649 Reward Points :-) Cheers, John B. Right, reward points. VBG ;) However I could get 5 pairs of the $60.00 MKS pedals shown in the other link and still have money left over. Are those $329.99 pedals THAT much better? Cheers |
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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:52:48 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:42:07 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:34:51 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Snipped or https://www.benscycle.com/white-indu...an_485/product if you're wealthy. -- - Frank Krygowski Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers But you also get Earn 1649 Reward Points :-) Cheers, John B. Right, reward points. VBG ;) However I could get 5 pairs of the $60.00 MKS pedals shown in the other link and still have money left over. Are those $329.99 pedals THAT much better? Cheers Come on Man! They are new. They have a "classically inspired profile combined with modern materials and design is ideally suited for the urban cyclist. These pedals provide the perfect platform for whatever shoes you decide to ride in." And! They are made in the USA! None of that cheap foreign made stuff. They are available in both silver and black anodized finishes and the bronze acorn nuts add a touch of class I'm surprised that everyone isn't buying at least two :-) Cheers, John B. |
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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 2:23:53 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:52:48 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:42:07 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:34:51 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: Snipped Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers But you also get Earn 1649 Reward Points :-) Cheers, John B. Right, reward points. VBG ;) However I could get 5 pairs of the $60.00 MKS pedals shown in the other link and still have money left over. Are those $329.99 pedals THAT much better? Cheers Come on Man! They are new. They have a "classically inspired profile combined with modern materials and design is ideally suited for the urban cyclist. These pedals provide the perfect platform for whatever shoes you decide to ride in." And! They are made in the USA! None of that cheap foreign made stuff. They are available in both silver and black anodized finishes and the bronze acorn nuts add a touch of class I'm surprised that everyone isn't buying at least two :-) Cheers, John B. Hi John. It seems to me that a lot of the newer stuff for bicycles isn't so much about function or even looks but how high the cost for it can be. LOL Is that the new criteria for bicycle stuff = high cost? I wanted to buy a long cage rear derailleur for a touring/gravel bicycle I was building up for a friend. Just outside of town there's a guy who sells used bicycles in decent riding shape for $40 to $60. Seeing as a decent new long cage rear derailleur at any of the shops here in town cost at least $50 I decided to buy the $40 to $60 bike because then I got all those extra spare parts if I needed them for something else. A lot of the frames on the bicycles he sells are also decent cro-moly alloy ones or aluminium ones. Heck, I got one MTB from him for $20.00 that had all Shimano DEORE on it even if the groupset was an older one. I love the thumb-shifters on it because they can be set to friction as well as index and they are completely separate from the brake levers. The bike was in great shape but he hadn't checked it over yet which is why I got it for so little. Ditto with wheels. If I or someone I know needs a new wheel I often go to the out of town guy and either get a decent wheel for $10 or so or buy an entire bike for $40.00. Cheers |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:40:20 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 2:23:53 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:52:48 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:42:07 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:34:51 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: Snipped Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers But you also get Earn 1649 Reward Points :-) Cheers, John B. Right, reward points. VBG ;) However I could get 5 pairs of the $60.00 MKS pedals shown in the other link and still have money left over. Are those $329.99 pedals THAT much better? Cheers Come on Man! They are new. They have a "classically inspired profile combined with modern materials and design is ideally suited for the urban cyclist. These pedals provide the perfect platform for whatever shoes you decide to ride in." And! They are made in the USA! None of that cheap foreign made stuff. They are available in both silver and black anodized finishes and the bronze acorn nuts add a touch of class I'm surprised that everyone isn't buying at least two :-) Cheers, John B. Hi John. It seems to me that a lot of the newer stuff for bicycles isn't so much about function or even looks but how high the cost for it can be. LOL Is that the new criteria for bicycle stuff = high cost? I wanted to buy a long cage rear derailleur for a touring/gravel bicycle I was building up for a friend. Just outside of town there's a guy who sells used bicycles in decent riding shape for $40 to $60. Seeing as a decent new long cage rear derailleur at any of the shops here in town cost at least $50 I decided to buy the $40 to $60 bike because then I got all those extra spare parts if I needed them for something else. A lot of the frames on the bicycles he sells are also decent cro-moly alloy ones or aluminium ones. Heck, I got one MTB from him for $20.00 that had all Shimano DEORE on it even if the groupset was an older one. I love the thumb-shifters on it because they can be set to friction as well as index and they are completely separate from the brake levers. The bike was in great shape but he hadn't checked it over yet which is why I got it for so little. Ditto with wheels. If I or someone I know needs a new wheel I often go to the out of town guy and either get a decent wheel for $10 or so or buy an entire bike for $40.00. Cheers I built a couple of bike that way. There are at least two dealers here that buy used bikes from Japan, I believe by the container load, and re-sell them. I bought what is probably a classic, except I can't identify the maker. The frame and forks weighed a few grams more than a frame that I had built out of Columbus SL tubes which is one of their lighter tubes. The guy also had some bare unpainted road bike aluminum frames, sloping top tube, very modern looking stuff, that he was selling cheap but at the time I wasn't interested in aluminum so I passed on them. Cheers, John B. |
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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 3:41:00 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:40:20 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 2:23:53 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:52:48 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:42:07 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:34:51 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: Snipped Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers But you also get Earn 1649 Reward Points :-) Cheers, John B. Right, reward points. VBG ;) However I could get 5 pairs of the $60.00 MKS pedals shown in the other link and still have money left over. Are those $329.99 pedals THAT much better? Cheers Come on Man! They are new. They have a "classically inspired profile combined with modern materials and design is ideally suited for the urban cyclist. These pedals provide the perfect platform for whatever shoes you decide to ride in." And! They are made in the USA! None of that cheap foreign made stuff. They are available in both silver and black anodized finishes and the bronze acorn nuts add a touch of class I'm surprised that everyone isn't buying at least two :-) Cheers, John B. Hi John. It seems to me that a lot of the newer stuff for bicycles isn't so much about function or even looks but how high the cost for it can be. LOL Is that the new criteria for bicycle stuff = high cost? I wanted to buy a long cage rear derailleur for a touring/gravel bicycle I was building up for a friend. Just outside of town there's a guy who sells used bicycles in decent riding shape for $40 to $60. Seeing as a decent new long cage rear derailleur at any of the shops here in town cost at least $50 I decided to buy the $40 to $60 bike because then I got all those extra spare parts if I needed them for something else. A lot of the frames on the bicycles he sells are also decent cro-moly alloy ones or aluminium ones.. Heck, I got one MTB from him for $20.00 that had all Shimano DEORE on it even if the groupset was an older one. I love the thumb-shifters on it because they can be set to friction as well as index and they are completely separate from the brake levers. The bike was in great shape but he hadn't checked it over yet which is why I got it for so little. Ditto with wheels. If I or someone I know needs a new wheel I often go to the out of town guy and either get a decent wheel for $10 or so or buy an entire bike for $40.00. Cheers I built a couple of bike that way. There are at least two dealers here that buy used bikes from Japan, I believe by the container load, and re-sell them. I bought what is probably a classic, except I can't identify the maker. The frame and forks weighed a few grams more than a frame that I had built out of Columbus SL tubes which is one of their lighter tubes. The guy also had some bare unpainted road bike aluminum frames, sloping top tube, very modern looking stuff, that he was selling cheap but at the time I wasn't interested in aluminum so I passed on them. Cheers, John B. The guy I deal with also had an older Cannondale MTB with rear dropouts that extended beyond the frame. Interesting. I figured that under really hard riding that they'd be prone to breaking off. https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...7669609219192/ I wonder if Andrew could tells us if that happened enough that it's why we don't see that style anymore? I built that bike up with drop handlebars and old school external brake cable brake levers. Actually, they were suicide style brake levers but I took off the suicide levers, modified the pin that sticks out from the side and installed shift levers there. https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...7669609219192/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...7669609219192/ Cheers |
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What is the point of tubeless tires?
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 1:49:19 AM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 3:41:00 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:40:20 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 2:23:53 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:52:48 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:42:07 AM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:34:51 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: Snipped Gads! $329.99?! Wow! No thanks. I'll stay with the FAR LESS expensive retro offerings. Cheers But you also get Earn 1649 Reward Points :-) Cheers, John B. Right, reward points. VBG ;) However I could get 5 pairs of the $60.00 MKS pedals shown in the other link and still have money left over. Are those $329.99 pedals THAT much better? Cheers Come on Man! They are new. They have a "classically inspired profile combined with modern materials and design is ideally suited for the urban cyclist. These pedals provide the perfect platform for whatever shoes you decide to ride in." And! They are made in the USA! None of that cheap foreign made stuff. They are available in both silver and black anodized finishes and the bronze acorn nuts add a touch of class I'm surprised that everyone isn't buying at least two :-) Cheers, John B. Hi John. It seems to me that a lot of the newer stuff for bicycles isn't so much about function or even looks but how high the cost for it can be.. LOL Is that the new criteria for bicycle stuff = high cost? I wanted to buy a long cage rear derailleur for a touring/gravel bicycle I was building up for a friend. Just outside of town there's a guy who sells used bicycles in decent riding shape for $40 to $60. Seeing as a decent new long cage rear derailleur at any of the shops here in town cost at least $50 I decided to buy the $40 to $60 bike because then I got all those extra spare parts if I needed them for something else. A lot of the frames on the bicycles he sells are also decent cro-moly alloy ones or aluminium ones. Heck, I got one MTB from him for $20.00 that had all Shimano DEORE on it even if the groupset was an older one. I love the thumb-shifters on it because they can be set to friction as well as index and they are completely separate from the brake levers. The bike was in great shape but he hadn't checked it over yet which is why I got it for so little. Ditto with wheels. If I or someone I know needs a new wheel I often go to the out of town guy and either get a decent wheel for $10 or so or buy an entire bike for $40.00. Cheers I built a couple of bike that way. There are at least two dealers here that buy used bikes from Japan, I believe by the container load, and re-sell them. I bought what is probably a classic, except I can't identify the maker. The frame and forks weighed a few grams more than a frame that I had built out of Columbus SL tubes which is one of their lighter tubes. The guy also had some bare unpainted road bike aluminum frames, sloping top tube, very modern looking stuff, that he was selling cheap but at the time I wasn't interested in aluminum so I passed on them. Cheers, John B. The guy I deal with also had an older Cannondale MTB with rear dropouts that extended beyond the frame. Interesting. I figured that under really hard riding that they'd be prone to breaking off. https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...7669609219192/ I wonder if Andrew could tells us if that happened enough that it's why we don't see that style anymore? I built that bike up with drop handlebars and old school external brake cable brake levers. Actually, they were suicide style brake levers but I took off the suicide levers, modified the pin that sticks out from the side and installed shift levers there. https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...7669609219192/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...7669609219192/ I broke two of the road frames, both at the junction where the seat stay met the cantilevered drop-out. The end of the stay was thinned, squashed and welded, and the cantilevered drop out probably created some bending moment.. I'm no engineer and don't know, and the failures could be explained by the way the stay-ends were designed rather than the dropouts. Harking back to the marketing thing, this is another example of the odd way bicycles are marketed. That is, a lot of claimed improvements are foisted on consumers and not chosen. I didn't choose the cantilever stay thing, but I did chose the Cannondale 2.8 because I was somewhat brand loyal, and the bike was a very good value. The components were well thought out, and it was a good riding bike for a big rider. I didn't choose BB30 or full internal headsets either. Those things were dropped on me when I got a later replacement frame from Cannondale. I don't think anyone bought a Cervelo because it has BBright or that anyone goes into a bike shop and says, "say, show me the BB86 bikes." I've never thumbed through Velo News, lusting after the the latest BB30A. I might like the look of the matching (required) crank, but I'm cringing at the thought of getting yet another BB format. -- Jay Beattie |
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