The Great Don Quijote of RBM!

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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"Keats" wrote:

"We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight
skinny right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's
because we are "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until
we "come to Islam" and live under Sharia law. He has never once
indicated it's because we aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad
holy war "being nice" is considered weakness to be exploited.

That is the simplistic construction but I think it has a lot going for
it. The "death tapes" produced by various suicide bombers have made it
quite clear what their motivation is. I see no reason to disbelieve
their simple, clear, fervent statements. Bush is wrong again- "they"
don't "hate us for our freedom," They hate us because we are not
Muslim. They hate us for supporting Israel over the Palestinians. They
hate us because of the failure of much of the Middle East to get out of
the Middle Ages, for which it is easier to blame the modern world than
the strictures of the extremist elements of Islam which prevent
modernizing. There are other economic, social and cultural factors as
well, which allow for the rampant, virulently hate-filled version of
Islam to exist.

My God, I can't believe it! Jim McNamara is finally saying something
sensible!


snip

Err......Ed, it's Tim McNamara not Jim McNamara. Thought you would want to
know. Seems Jim still hasn't said anything sensible.

(not Tom) Keats

"Keats" wrote in message
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"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
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How is suicide bombing more immoral than any other type of bombing?

If blowing up a house where enemy combatant terrorist are having a meeting
and having a suicide bomber blowing up a bus full of children on the way
to school are the moral equivalent for you then what Ed Dolan
said........."You God Damn ****ing Stupid Moron! Screw you and all your
liberal fantasies. I would like to drop an atom bomb on your confounded
head!"

Keats

Keats, there is something terribly wrong with the way Tom Sherman's brain
operates. I attribute it to his hatred of America. In the past he has
equated what the Palestinian suicide bombers do with what the Israeli
Defense Force does. It is all quite insane of course.

Believe you me, I know this asshole better than anyone on Usenet. He only
begins to make sense when you realize he is entirely motivated by his hatred
of the US. For some reason, he does not think he has gotten his just deserts
even though he is a civil engineer and enjoys all the prerogatives that go
with such a position in society. Envy of the rich is a terrible thing. It is
the one vice that gives no pleasure.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Keats" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Keats" wrote:

"We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight
skinny right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's
because we are "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until
we "come to Islam" and live under Sharia law. He has never once
indicated it's because we aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad
holy war "being nice" is considered weakness to be exploited.

That is the simplistic construction but I think it has a lot going for
it. The "death tapes" produced by various suicide bombers have made it
quite clear what their motivation is. I see no reason to disbelieve
their simple, clear, fervent statements. Bush is wrong again- "they"
don't "hate us for our freedom," They hate us because we are not
Muslim. They hate us for supporting Israel over the Palestinians. They
hate us because of the failure of much of the Middle East to get out of
the Middle Ages, for which it is easier to blame the modern world than
the strictures of the extremist elements of Islam which prevent
modernizing. There are other economic, social and cultural factors as
well, which allow for the rampant, virulently hate-filled version of
Islam to exist.

My God, I can't believe it! Jim McNamara is finally saying something
sensible!


snip

Err......Ed, it's Tim McNamara not Jim McNamara. Thought you would want
to know. Seems Jim still hasn't said anything sensible.

(not Tom) Keats

Yes, 2 McNamaras and 2 Keats! Life does get confusing, especially when you
get to be my age.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
...I would like to drop an atom bomb on your confounded head!...

Hey Ed, it is supposed to be a (clearly labeled) 16-ton weight that
falls on people.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
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Keats wrote:
"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in
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"We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight
skinny right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's
because we are "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until we
"come to Islam" and live under Sharia law. He has never once indicated
it's because we aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad holy war
"being nice" is considered weakness to be exploited.

You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam
don't you?
Oh Bull****! Almost all Muslim's consider bin Laden's religious ideas to
be wrong. The only reason they support him is because he stands up to
western imperialist bullying, unlike "President" Mubarak, King Abdullah
II, the House of Saud and other toady governments. If you actually knew
and talked to people from some Muslim countries you would realize this,
but instead you fill you head with propaganda garbage from the
government and media.

Cripes, no wonder the US is losing in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to
mention the "War on Terror".

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Take it easy Mr. Sunset. I'm having a hard time understanding you.

You're saying almost all Muslims consider bin Laden's religious ideas
wrong (and you know that how?),
I happen to personally know Muslim's that live in some of these countries.
The general attitude is "US government bad, most US people good."


And how many Muslims would that be?

Enough to know what the general opinion is (just like it is not
necessary to talk to millions of people to know general attitudes in the
US).

but they support him because he stands up to western imperialist
bullying, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Ok so? And we are losing the war in
Iraq, Afghanistan, and the so called "War on Terror" because we aren't
nice?
The only way to win a war of conquest over a reluctant population is
genocide.


Well I don't know about that, but you've got to get it to the point they
don't want to study war no more.

Those being attacked by neo-colonial/imperial oppressors say the same
thing about their attackers. DUH! Or are you one of those people that
believes brown skinned Muslim people to be inherently less worthy of
life than "Americans" and Israeli Jews?

I saw a poll not long ago that claimed 75% of the US Muslims disapproved
of suicide bombing. That's fine, but it's the other 25% that worry me.
How is suicide bombing more immoral than any other type of bombing?


If blowing up a house where enemy combatant terrorist are having a meeting
and having a suicide bomber blowing up a bus full of children on the way to
school are the moral equivalent for you then what Ed Dolan said........."You
God Damn ****ing Stupid Moron! Screw you and all your liberal fantasies. I
would like to drop an atom bomb on your confounded head!"

[Yawn]

Check the relative civilian death tolls: US versus Afghanistan, US
versus Iraq, Israel versus Palestine and Israel versus Lebanon and see
who is by far killing MORE innocent civilians. DUH!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

--
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Keats" wrote in message
. ..
"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
.. .
[...]
How is suicide bombing more immoral than any other type of bombing?
If blowing up a house where enemy combatant terrorist are having a meeting
and having a suicide bomber blowing up a bus full of children on the way
to school are the moral equivalent for you then what Ed Dolan
said........."You God Damn ****ing Stupid Moron! Screw you and all your
liberal fantasies. I would like to drop an atom bomb on your confounded
head!"

Keats

Keats, there is something terribly wrong with the way Tom Sherman's brain
operates. I attribute it to his hatred of America. In the past he has
equated what the Palestinian suicide bombers do with what the Israeli
Defense Force does. It is all quite insane of course.

Believe you me, I know this asshole better than anyone on Usenet. He only
begins to make sense when you realize he is entirely motivated by his hatred
of the US. For some reason, he does not think he has gotten his just deserts
even though he is a civil engineer and enjoys all the prerogatives that go
with such a position in society. Envy of the rich is a terrible thing. It is
the one vice that gives no pleasure.

"Use your head, Mr. Ed" - Slugger

Actually, my preferred career choice was to be a Knight that says "Ni",
but no positions were open.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful


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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Keats" wrote:

"We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight
skinny right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's
because we are "infidels". And they will continue to hate us until
we "come to Islam" and live under Sharia law. He has never once
indicated it's because we aren't "nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad
holy war "being nice" is considered weakness to be exploited.
That is the simplistic construction but I think it has a lot going for
it. The "death tapes" produced by various suicide bombers have made it
quite clear what their motivation is. I see no reason to disbelieve
their simple, clear, fervent statements. Bush is wrong again- "they"
don't "hate us for our freedom," They hate us because we are not
Muslim. They hate us for supporting Israel over the Palestinians. They
hate us because of the failure of much of the Middle East to get out of
the Middle Ages, for which it is easier to blame the modern world than
the strictures of the extremist elements of Islam which prevent
modernizing. There are other economic, social and cultural factors as
well, which allow for the rampant, virulently hate-filled version of
Islam to exist.

My God, I can't believe it! Jim McNamara is finally saying something
sensible!

Er Ed,

JIM McNamara lives in the north side of Chicago and rides a P-38.

TIM McNamara lives in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota and rides uprights.

Please keep your McNamara's straight.

By comparison there are many moderate Muslims whom I have met, primarily
through work. They are pleasant, generous people who work hard. They
are typically quiet and unassuming, a bit outside of the American
mainstream and aware of it but not necessarily uncomfortable with it-
and more than willing to explain their understanding of their religion
with people who ask about it with sincerity. I find them only
superficially different from the moderate Christians and moderate Jews
that I know. I know very few people of other faiths- just one Hindu and
a few Buddhists, not enough to claim any sort of understanding of the
cultural aspects of their religions. I have studied a lot of Buddhist
texts over the past 30 years and find much of high merit there, but have
had little contact with Buddhists (by which I mean people who grew up in
Buddhism, not Western converts. I know quite a few of the latter and
occasionally consider myself among them. Except that I am *such* a
crappy Buddhist when it comes to applying the principles to my daily
life).

Forget Buddhism! Just another crappy, nutty religion which came out of
India. India is an insane asylum of religions. I mean it just does not get
any worse than that. But Hinduism is my favorite. It permits starvation in
the streets. You know, all that **** about class and reincarnation!

You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam
don't you?
However, I would quibble with your use of the term "fundamentalist
Islam" and would instead suggest "radical Islamists." Fundamentalists
are not necessarily radicals and radicals usually have twisted the
fundamentals of a faith to suit their agenda. We see it in the US with
the Christianists too, the main difference being that they are not
currently as violent as the radical Islamists. They have been in the
past, however- just tonight on TV I watched a member of the Ku Klux Klan
proudly proclaim that the KKK was a "terror group" 40 years ago. They
often justify their terrorism with perversions of Christian theology.

You will go awfully astray if you attempt to compare fundamentalist
Christians with fundamentalist Muslims. Christians have not been murdering
anyone for quite some time now. This is the 21st century. What excuse can
you dredge up for the Muslim murderers other than their medieval mentality.
Islam has kept them permanently retarded and stupid.

I would say that I fear the American Christianists more than I fear the
radical Islamists. For one thing, the Christianists are just as nuts;
for another, there are far more of them than Islamists in the US.

Yup, I knew it! Jim McNamara is just too god damn stupid himself ever to
arrive at any sound conclusions about anything. And this jerk attended
Loyola, a renown institution of Catholic education in Chicago.

Nope, wrong McNamara again. TIM McNamara went to St. Mary's University,
not Loyola.

The Islamists would not amount to anything provided there were no weapons of
mass destruction. That changes everything. Too bad liberals are forever too
stupid to realize this brute fact.

And now for something completely different...

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

--
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Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
...(Just in time for -- God Forbid! -- Hillary...
Hillary Clinton is a corporatist
You mean because she trashes Exxon-Mobil while secretly owning its
stock? LOL

and no friend of labor.
Yeah, but Labor doesn't recognize this.
Actually, the Republican's better hope that Hillary Clinton wins the
Democratic nomination, since she turns off labor more than any
Democratic candidate since Joe Lieberman (who has been elected in
large part by cross-voting Republicans).

Why does the
political right hate her so much?
For the same reason the political left loves her so much. (Hint: lies
and opportunism.)
If Sorni knew what he was talking about he would know that no one on
the US left likes Hillary Clinton (and they didn't like Bill either).

You're delusional, Tom. (Otherwise, insightful commentary!)

Hey Sorni,

Go to your library and check out some of the left/progressive magazines
to see what they say about the Clintons. Or just check out some of the
websites of collected opinions. You will hardly find any support for
either of them, other than as the "lesser evil".

Don't believe what the "left" says/writes based on what you hear on the
radio.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful


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Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
Edward Dolan wrote:

You had better get your head screwed on straight. Hillary was the
wife of Bill, who was a liberal if nothing else.

Only on matters of reproductive/sexual behavior.

Red herring. (Hint: he was sued for sexual harrassment by Paula Jones, and
LIED UNDER OATH in the course of his defense. He also coerced perjury from
Monica Lewinsky. Then there's Kathleen "forced to rub his" Willy and Anita
Broderick and...well, at least one other. These matters were NOT about sex
or affairs; they were about illegal, abusive behavior and lies and worse to
cover it up. Monica was just...a vessel.)

Bill "I suppose they should be grateful he didn't Vince Foster 'em" S.

Other than not supporting the agenda of the "Christian Coalition" in
1996, what substantive differences were there in the platforms of Bill
Clinton and Bob Dole?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

--
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"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
.. .
(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in
message .. .
Keats wrote:
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Take it easy Mr. Sunset. I'm having a hard time understanding you.

You're saying almost all Muslims consider bin Laden's religious ideas
wrong (and you know that how?),
I happen to personally know Muslim's that live in some of these
countries. The general attitude is "US government bad, most US people
good."


And how many Muslims would that be?

Enough to know what the general opinion is (just like it is not necessary
to talk to millions of people to know general attitudes in the US).


I take that to be one or maybe two if we count the wife, but I don't think
they would.



but they support him because he stands up to western imperialist
bullying, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Ok so? And we are losing the war in
Iraq, Afghanistan, and the so called "War on Terror" because we aren't
nice?
The only way to win a war of conquest over a reluctant population is
genocide.


Well I don't know about that, but you've got to get it to the point they
don't want to study war no more.



Those being attacked by neo-colonial/imperial oppressors say the same
thing about their attackers. DUH! Or are you one of those people that
believes brown skinned Muslim people to be inherently less worthy of life
than "Americans" and Israeli Jews?


When it comes to people who are determined to kill me and other Americians,
and who want to wipe Israeli Jews off the face of the earth I do not take
the time to celebrate their diversity. I'll leave that to you and the
other, as you call them, left progressives, whose only value I can see is
their ability to get republicians elected. Although this time republicans
may possibly have to trade down to Ms. Clinton and her husband Bill.


I saw a poll not long ago that claimed 75% of the US Muslims
disapproved of suicide bombing. That's fine, but it's the other 25%
that worry me.
How is suicide bombing more immoral than any other type of bombing?


If blowing up a house where enemy combatant terrorist are having a
meeting and having a suicide bomber blowing up a bus full of children on
the way to school are the moral equivalent for you then what Ed Dolan
said........."You God Damn ****ing Stupid Moron! Screw you and all your
liberal fantasies. I would like to drop an atom bomb on your confounded
head!"

[Yawn]


Once again, it's useful idiots like you who got George Bush elected twice.
Keep Yawning.

(not Tom) Keats