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Old May 20th 06, 03:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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The important thing is to identify responsible, rational liberalism,
and conservatism, as distinct from irrational, gut-response, good guys
v. bad guys liberalism and conservatism. I'm an extreme liberal--have
been most of my life. But it seems to me that Mark is a guy I could
have a great conversation with. When such conversations across
ideological lines stop happening, we'll be in even worse shape as a
country than we are now.

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Old May 20th 06, 06:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Bob wrote:
wrote:
Bob wrote:
All I'd add is that I wish the
entertainers/social critics on both the left and the right apply the
same concepts. Of course, what I'd really like is if all of them-
Limbaugh, Mahr, O'Reilly, Franken, et al- would just close their mouths
until they open their minds but that's asking too much.


You know this, but ... it's a gig. They're making heaps of ca$h. End
of story.


That's true of course. It's also the reason that I said asking them to
shut up and think would be too much to ask. I should amend my statement
though. What I would really like is if all the pundits on both ends of
the political spectrum would shut up and think, not about pandering to
their audience, but about what's fair and honest. Failing that, they
could stop pretending to be something other than what they are-
entertainers. The title of worst offender in that respect is currently
being contested with Bill Mahr and Michael Moore as the frontrunners.
I'd put Mahr in the lead because he has a wider audience.


This is where I would disagree. As I said, I've tuned in to both ...
for as long as I could stand it. My perception of a fundamental
difference between the two is:

- Watching Maher presupposes a pretty fair knowledge of current events
to which he makes reference as the basis of his humor;

- Listening to Rush seems to be how many *get* their information,
already spun.

An analogy might be:

At Maher's house, you bring the groceries and he makes you dinner;

At Rush's house, you just show up. He grows it, harvests it, prepares
it, and seasons it. You just eat.

I also get the very distinct sense that few people would call Maher
anything BUT an entertainer, while--again: IMO--most Limbaugh listeners
would use different ... perhaps more "respectable" terms (journalist,
broadcaster, news-man, etc.)

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Old May 20th 06, 06:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Dennis P. Harris wrote:
-- Clip all the relevant parts __-

(and a someone managing 500+ units of rental
housing that includes 3 trailer courts, i deal with cops a lot,
usually trying to help them arrest one of our tenants).


Does this not annoy the tenants a bit? I would think that it makes
collecting the rent a bit dicey

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Old May 20th 06, 07:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Bob wrote:
Failing that, they
could stop pretending to be something other than what they are-
entertainers. The title of worst offender in that respect is currently
being contested with Bill Mahr and Michael Moore as the frontrunners.
I'd put Mahr in the lead because he has a wider audience.


My impression is that, despite disagreements from certain
right-side-of-the-aisle types, Limbaugh and those he benefits think of
him as a useful political tool, NOT just an entertainer.

FWIW, I think exactly the same about Michael Moore. I think both those
guys believe they are spreading the Truth, and I think there's no
question they are using their respective pulpits to work for chosen
candidates.

IMO, Bill Maher (is that the correct spelling?) is different in two
ways. Of the three, I think he's the one who most considers himself an
entertainer. And of the three, I think he's the one least bound to
typical left-right ideologies. (It's also my guess that he's got 15 IQ
points on the other two, but that's probably beside the point.)

Admittedly, I'm no expert on any of the three. (Refer to what I said
about how I get my news.) But I've seen Maher make iconoclastic
statements savaging alternate sides of the aisle. If he's connected
with a party, it would be the Iconoclast party.

- Frank Krygowski

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Old May 20th 06, 11:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Bob wrote:
wrote:
Bob wrote:
All I'd add is that I wish the
entertainers/social critics on both the left and the right apply the
same concepts. Of course, what I'd really like is if all of them-
Limbaugh, Mahr, O'Reilly, Franken, et al- would just close their mouths
until they open their minds but that's asking too much.

You know this, but ... it's a gig. They're making heaps of ca$h. End
of story.


That's true of course. It's also the reason that I said asking them to
shut up and think would be too much to ask. I should amend my statement
though. What I would really like is if all the pundits on both ends of
the political spectrum would shut up and think, not about pandering to
their audience, but about what's fair and honest. Failing that, they
could stop pretending to be something other than what they are-
entertainers. The title of worst offender in that respect is currently
being contested with Bill Mahr and Michael Moore as the frontrunners.
I'd put Mahr in the lead because he has a wider audience.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

What, you wouldn't put Limbaugh behind bars for blatant hypocrisy? An
anti-drug, drug addict, no less. How much else can we believe from him?
Of course that is true for all talk show hosts, ratings and not truth,
but do they all sell out at some point? Probably, when that big check is
flashed in front of them to part with their true values.
Bill Baka
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Old May 21st 06, 07:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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wrote:
Bob wrote:
That's true of course. It's also the reason that I said asking them to
shut up and think would be too much to ask. I should amend my statement
though. What I would really like is if all the pundits on both ends of
the political spectrum would shut up and think, not about pandering to
their audience, but about what's fair and honest. Failing that, they
could stop pretending to be something other than what they are-
entertainers. The title of worst offender in that respect is currently
being contested with Bill Mahr and Michael Moore as the frontrunners.
I'd put Mahr in the lead because he has a wider audience.


This is where I would disagree. As I said, I've tuned in to both ...
for as long as I could stand it. My perception of a fundamental
difference between the two is:

- Watching Maher presupposes a pretty fair knowledge of current events
to which he makes reference as the basis of his humor;

- Listening to Rush seems to be how many *get* their information,
already spun.


An analogy might be:

At Maher's house, you bring the groceries and he makes you dinner;

At Rush's house, you just show up. He grows it, harvests it, prepares
it, and seasons it. You just eat.

I also get the very distinct sense that few people would call Maher
anything BUT an entertainer, while--again: IMO--most Limbaugh listeners
would use different ... perhaps more "respectable" terms (journalist,
broadcaster, news-man, etc.)


That's all well and good but I was specifically referring to Bill Mahr
and Michael Moore. You can of course nominate Limbaugh for the title
of, "Entertainer That Most Likes to Pass Himself Off as a Serious
Political Analyst", but you'll have to submit the nominating petition.
;-) I'd still call him a darkhorse candidate though simply because
he's on the radio while Mahr has a weekly television show. Many-if not
most- radio listeners simply have it on as background noise while they
do other things. Most people that tune into any television show sit
down and watch it. Many won't even interrupt their television viewing
to answer a ringing telephone.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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On 20 May 2006 10:46:58 -0700 in rec.bicycles.misc,
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wrote:

Dennis P. Harris wrote:
-- Clip all the relevant parts __-

(and a someone managing 500+ units of rental
housing that includes 3 trailer courts, i deal with cops a lot,
usually trying to help them arrest one of our tenants).


Does this not annoy the tenants a bit? I would think that it makes
collecting the rent a bit dicey


if they are getting arrested, it's usually for doing something
that we would evict them for, like assault or drug dealing. we
also have to ask them to help with trespass cases, where we have
banned someone from the property. plus the usual abandoned
vehicles, drunks who want to sleep it off on the terrace, etc.




 




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