Anti-Motorist Measures Part 1

Here's some to be getting on with:

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/gallery_speedreduc.html

The ludicrous nature of the trolls' unconditional support of speed
cameras, and the extent of their wish to make driving unpleasant, is
revealed by their 100% advocacy of the reductions such as those above
which are sweeping the country. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was
"perfectly fair" and the motorist was "endangering lives". Yet no-one
who knows anything about driving could possibly really believe that
reductions like the above are necessary from a road safety point of
view. No, the aim here is quite clearly to make motorists' lives a
constant misery simply for choosing to drive, by forcing them to
travel ridiculously slowly, and punishing those who dare to drive at a
more realistic speed. As a result, road users are dying because of
this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits which these days often
have no real-world relevance whatsoever.

You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls.
Self-righteous, callous *******s. How many more people will die
before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?

Nuxx Bar wrote:
Here's some to be getting on with:

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/gallery_speedreduc.html

The ludicrous nature of the trolls' unconditional support of speed
cameras, and the extent of their wish to make driving unpleasant, is
revealed by their 100% advocacy of the reductions such as those above
which are sweeping the country. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was
"perfectly fair" and the motorist was "endangering lives". Yet no-one
who knows anything about driving could possibly really believe that
reductions like the above are necessary from a road safety point of
view. No, the aim here is quite clearly to make motorists' lives a
constant misery simply for choosing to drive, by forcing them to
travel ridiculously slowly, and punishing those who dare to drive at a
more realistic speed. As a result, road users are dying because of
this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits which these days often
have no real-world relevance whatsoever.

You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls.
Self-righteous, callous *******s. How many more people will die
before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?

lol!

I'm pretty sure they will put the road outside my house down to 20 mph.
I hope they give it cameras too.

Nuxx Bar wrote:
Here's some to be getting on with:

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/gallery_speedreduc.html
snip
You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls.
Self-righteous, callous *******s. How many more people will die
before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?

Ok thats my limit reached. PLONK

Stan Cox

On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar wrote:
.. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was
"perfectly fair"

You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.


and punishing those who dare to drive at a
more realistic speed.

You break the law, you get punished.
Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf,
individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional
democracy.


As a result, road users are dying because of
this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits

I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:09:08 -0700 (PDT), Jon
wrote:

On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar wrote:
. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was
"perfectly fair"

You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.


and punishing those who dare to drive at a
more realistic speed.

You break the law, you get punished.
Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf,
individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional
democracy.


As a result, road users are dying because of
this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits

I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.



I suspect you are right, however, I think driver frustration at
driving at unnecessary slow speeds might mean that they drive too fast
elsewhere. I think the message is that we are being encouraged not to
think. The limit is X therefore it is safe to drive at X. If limits
were totally abolished then everyone would have to think what speed is
safe for this road.

ME

I think that there are many people who are of the mindset that their
cars 'reflect' them. it is a statement of 'who I am' Look at my top of
the range suppa doopa fast car - and then by implication I'm better
than you are because you ride a bicycle. How many times have you had
that sneering, smug arsehole look across on a wet day at the traffic
lights and give you a look that says 'loser'. I look back with a
chuckle - road fund license = nil, petrol tax + VAT = nil, annual MOT
= nil, parking fees = nil, speed/parking fines = nil, repair and
maintenance = nil (well almost -do own repairs) etc. but the biggest
chuckle is reserved for the fact that at 65 by blood pressure is
120/69 and my pulse rate is 56 resting. Nothing unique I dare say for
life long cyclists - perhaps not for life long motorists.

So let us have some sympathy for these people, they spend loads of
cash to have an early heart attack.

Nuxx Bar wrote:

Here's some to be getting on with:

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/gallery_speedreduc.html

The ludicrous nature of the trolls' unconditional support of speed
cameras, and the extent of their wish to make driving unpleasant, is
revealed by their 100% advocacy of the reductions such as those above
which are sweeping the country. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was
"perfectly fair" and the motorist was "endangering lives". Yet no-one
who knows anything about driving could possibly really believe that
reductions like the above are necessary from a road safety point of
view. No, the aim here is quite clearly to make motorists' lives a
constant misery simply for choosing to drive, by forcing them to
travel ridiculously slowly, and punishing those who dare to drive at a
more realistic speed. As a result, road users are dying because of
this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits which these days often
have no real-world relevance whatsoever.

You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls.
Self-righteous, callous *******s. How many more people will die
before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?

traffic flow my froffing fellow, it's about traffic flow.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

On 5 Apr, 18:41, wrote:
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:09:08 -0700 (PDT), Jon



wrote:
On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar wrote:
. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was
"perfectly fair"

You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.

and punishing those who dare to drive at a
more realistic speed.

You break the law, you get punished.
Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf,
individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional
democracy.

As a result, road users are dying because of
this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits

I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.

I suspect you are right, however, I think driver frustration at
driving at unnecessary slow speeds might mean that they drive too fast
elsewhere. I think the message is that we are being encouraged not to
think. The limit is X therefore it is safe to drive at X.

Every competent driver must know that is not the case - there are
plenty of situations where
the signposted limit (meant to be the limit under good conditions) may
be a lot higher than the
speed which is safe or sometimes even possible.


If limits
were totally abolished then everyone would have to think what speed is
safe for this road.

As we have to do anyway.


ME

wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:09:08 -0700 (PDT), Jon
wrote:

On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar wrote:
. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was
"perfectly fair"

You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.


and punishing those who dare to drive at a
more realistic speed.

You break the law, you get punished.
Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf,
individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional
democracy.


As a result, road users are dying because of
this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits

I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.



I suspect you are right, however, I think driver frustration at
driving at unnecessary slow speeds might mean that they drive too fast
elsewhere. I think the message is that we are being encouraged not to
think. The limit is X therefore it is safe to drive at X. If limits
were totally abolished then everyone would have to think what speed is
safe for this road.

ME

I think that this is a fallacy. If the speed limit on a road is 60, and yet
due to conditions it really should only be safe to drive at 45, for example,
you are arguing that by having a 60 speed limit then people will
automatically think it is safe to drive at 60. If you scrapped the speed
limit, there may well be a minority of drivers who suddenly realise that it
is only safe to do 45, but I suspect these would be the ones that were only
doing 45 in the first place. To assume that scrapping speed limits would
make the un-thinking drivers suddenly become aware of safe speeds is more
than a little naive.

BTW, as well as being a cyclist, I have a sales job that requires me to
drive more than 30,000 per year, so I am more than aware of the demands and
behaviour of a busy motorist.

Colin

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 02:22:43 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
wrote:

Here's some to be getting on with:

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/gallery_speedreduc.html

Hehehe.

I think that fairly soon one of the London boroughs will declare a
20mph speed limit on all its roads. Other boroughs will follow and
city cycling will become an even more enjoyable experience.