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The idiocy of Ed Dolan
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The idiocy of Tom Sherman
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, Andy Evans wrote: I call myself a liberal and yet I find myself, in many ways, being more conservative that the current crop of "conservatives" .... ?Fiscal responsibility and a balanced budget, accountability for program outcomes, government having less intrusion into people's private lives... That's just good government isn't it? Maybe liberals "intrude" more, but people are pretty daft in the first place. People should be free to be daft, at least to a degree. As a former governor of my state observed, you can't legislate against stupidity. |
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People should be free to be daft, at least to a degree. As a former
governor of my state observed, you can't legislate against stupidity. But I think you can - you can make guns illegal, smoking in public spaces illegal, drugs illegal etc etc. We already have a legal system that imposes penalties for all sorts of stupid and destructive behaviour, and I believe that it is widely accepted. Given the choice of freedom to carry guns or freedom to walk around in public without encountering people with guns I know what I'd choose. Andy |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
... Given the choice of freedom to carry guns or freedom to walk around in public without encountering people with guns I know what I'd choose. The government's ability to freely impose any anti-Constitutional controls on the population they prefer? |
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The idiocy of Ed Dolan
Tom Kunich wrote:
"Andy Evans" wrote in message ... Given the choice of freedom to carry guns or freedom to walk around in public without encountering people with guns I know what I'd choose. The government's ability to freely impose any anti-Constitutional controls on the population they prefer? The US is not far from that point - one more terrorist moment (real or false flag) should do it. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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Of course the US is a democracy and as such a better type of government than others mentioned, but foreign policy is an entity in itself, democracy or not, and it doesn't help to confuse the two or create non-sequitors like "all democracies have better foreign policies". Amen. But it's so much fun to criticize |
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Given the choice of freedom to carry guns or freedom to walk around in
public without encountering people with guns I know what I'd choose. The government's ability to freely impose any anti-Constitutional controls on the population they prefer? I'm in the UK - I guess one benefit of not having a constitution is that it doesn't get out of date. We had a lot of daft laws in the nineteenth century but they all got repealed as they became archaic. I mean, the death penalty for stealing a sheep, defacing London Bridge or impersonating a Chelsea Pensioner. I think not, but the US Constitution predates the repeal of all these. Not quite so easy to change a constitution. Andy |
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The idiocy of Tom Sherman
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, Andy Evans wrote: People should be free to be daft, at least to a degree. As a former governor of my state observed, you can't legislate against stupidity. But I think you can - you can make guns illegal, smoking in public spaces illegal, drugs illegal etc etc. We already have a legal system that imposes penalties for all sorts of stupid and destructive behaviour, and I believe that it is widely accepted. Guns aren't illegal here, of course. Smoking in public spaces is banned only because of the secondhand smoke problem, otherwise it would not be the subject of legislation. Indeed, it is very important that Americans keep smoking heavily because this is a major source of tax revenue. Our rather schizophrenic anti-drug laws come from our Puritan heritage and are, in the main, counterproductive and costly. And of course we still have anti-homosexuality laws on the books in many places around the country, and we'll even arrest alleged homosexuals in airport toilets even when they haven't broken the law. Given the choice of freedom to carry guns or freedom to walk around in public without encountering people with guns I know what I'd choose. Well, pardner, 'round hereabouts a man's gun is second only to his penis in importance to his masculine identity. We gots us a shiny new conceal and carry law, so anyone you meet might be packin'. Mind yer manners. You ain't got a gun, then yer just some sort of damned sissy liberal. And just to show that gun rights are more important to Minnesotans than property rights, under our law you can carry your concealed weapon onto any private property (stores, churches, hospitals, someone's home, etc.) you want without asking permission unless the property owner has posted a sign saying you can't. This is America, dammit. God, guns and guts made us great. |
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "Andy Evans" wrote in message ... Given the choice of freedom to carry guns or freedom to walk around in public without encountering people with guns I know what I'd choose. The government's ability to freely impose any anti-Constitutional controls on the population they prefer? Well, it's an interesting discussion. The Second Amendment, as (badly and almost incomprehensibly) written, could be construed as preventing the government from regulating arms ownership in any way whatsoever. You want to own a machine gun? Go ahead. Mortar? Ditto. RPG? That too. C4? Can't stop you. Your own private nukes arsenal? If you can afford it, go ahead. The recent Supreme Court decision opened the way for these scenarios and the current makeup of SCOTUS makes such decisions possible. Sure, those examples are absurd. The question is where the line can and should be reasonably drawn. Reasonable people will disagree on where than line is, unreasonable people will disagree even more vehemently and in some cases violently. |
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