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Old October 12th 08, 01:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
John Forrest Tomlinson
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
wrote:

On Oct 11, 7:10*pm, "P.Chisholm" wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:08*pm, wrote:





On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:


Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg


That's just...hilarious.


Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just beginning.


Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *Wait, no... that won't happen.
He's drunk the koolaid himself, and actually believes he's the
messiah.


What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.


Fred


And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found
religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he
returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of
his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was
living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sounds like Ted Kennedy, but McCain never abandoned anyone to die, and
didn't bother reporting it until he sobered up.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha...ama_thugocracy



So don't vote for Kennedy.

But I guess because Kennedy was a wildman that taints the other
Democrats who might run for president. Pretty much any of them. And
Hanoi Jane leaned democrat. And Michael Moore! Reverand Wright!!

Bogeyty wogety.

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Old October 12th 08, 01:46 AM posted to alt.machines.cnc,misc.survivalism,rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.impeach.bush,rec.bicycles.racing
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:07:36 -0700, P.Chisholm wrote:

On Oct 11, 5:02*pm, tenjets wrote:
On Oct 11, 3:08*pm, wrote:



On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:


Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg


That's just...hilarious.


Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just
beginning.


Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *Wait, no... that won't happen. He's
drunk the koolaid himself, and actually believes he's the messiah.


What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.


Fred


Fred, you're way off base. If your party didn't screw the pooch so
badly, you'd never have to worry about non-socialists like obama. Your
party is wrong.


don't feed the animals....................


Embarrass them instead, take a look at McCain's advisors and see if you
can find a single one that wasn't a washington lobbist.

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Old October 12th 08, 02:04 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Bill C
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On Oct 11, 8:39*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Bill C





wrote:
On Oct 11, 7:10*pm, "P.Chisholm" wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:08*pm, wrote:


On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:


Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg


That's just...hilarious.


Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just beginning.


Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *Wait, no... that won't happen.
He's drunk the koolaid himself, and actually believes he's the
messiah.


What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.


Fred


And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found
religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he
returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of
his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was
living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Sounds like Ted Kennedy, but McCain never abandoned anyone to die, and
didn't bother reporting it until he sobered up.


http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha.../the_coming_ob...


So don't vote for Kennedy. *

But I guess because Kennedy was a wildman that taints the other
Democrats who might run for president. *Pretty much any of them. And
Hanoi Jane leaned democrat. *And Michael Moore! Reverand Wright!!

Bogeyty wogety.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


http://tinyurl.com/4h5lz4
Obama fundraiser, convicted of fraud, spills beans By MIKE ROBINSON,
Associated Press Writer
Sat Oct 11, 11:44 AM ET

CHICAGO - Jailed political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the Chicago
real estate developer who helped launch Barack Obama on his political
career, is whispering secrets to federal prosecutors about corruption
in Illinois and the political fallout could be explosive.

Bill C
  #14  
Old October 12th 08, 02:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Bill C
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On Oct 11, 9:04*pm, Bill C wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:39*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:





On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Bill C


wrote:
On Oct 11, 7:10*pm, "P.Chisholm" wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:08*pm, wrote:


On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:


Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg


That's just...hilarious.


Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just beginning.


Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *Wait, no... that won't happen..
He's drunk the koolaid himself, and actually believes he's the
messiah.


What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.


Fred


And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found
religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he
returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of
his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was
living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Sounds like Ted Kennedy, but McCain never abandoned anyone to die, and
didn't bother reporting it until he sobered up.


http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha.../the_coming_ob....


So don't vote for Kennedy. *


But I guess because Kennedy was a wildman that taints the other
Democrats who might run for president. *Pretty much any of them. And
Hanoi Jane leaned democrat. *And Michael Moore! Reverand Wright!!


Bogeyty wogety.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


http://tinyurl.com/4h5lz4
Obama fundraiser, convicted of fraud, spills beans By MIKE ROBINSON,
Associated Press Writer
Sat Oct 11, 11:44 AM ET

CHICAGO - Jailed political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the Chicago
real estate developer who helped launch Barack Obama on his political
career, is whispering secrets to federal prosecutors about corruption
in Illinois and the political fallout could be explosive.

Bill C- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


http://article.nationalreview.com/pr...IyNzEyMjE0ODI=

http://tinyurl.com/52p2fk

Obama's ACORN Connection to Voter Fraud
October 10, 2008 06:00 PM ET | Bonnie Erbe | Permanent Link | Print
Hate to say it, but when one thinks of voter fraud, one usually
associates it with the GOP, the 2000 election, and the debate over who
won Florida. You remember, voting machines that didn't work, long
lines to vote in predominantly Democratic districts, and recounts that
weren't accurate.

This election brings with it stories of voter fraud, but this time on
the Democratic side. It seems ACORN, a community organizing group that
normally helps poor people with low-income housing issues, has
registered thousands of people to vote in Democratic districts. Some
of these supposed voters reportedly are dead, nonexistent, or use
storefronts as their home addresses, as told by CNN:

No Teddy in sight.
Bill C
  #15  
Old October 12th 08, 02:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Howard Kveck
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In article ,
wrote:

On Oct 11, 4:18*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:08:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:
Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*
http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg

That's just...hilarious.


Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just beginning.


Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *


Who are Obama's Fannie/Freddie-connected financial advisors?

What "cookie jar"?

Where do you get this stuff?

BTW, are you aware that the head of the McCain campaign's company was
being piad by FreddieMac $15,000 per MONTH through August of this
year? And that in July (and possibly at other times) Mr. McCain denied
that any of his staff worked for that company (meaning McCain was
either being tricked by the head of his campaign, or lying. *If it was
the former, I'd think he would have fired him...)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us...mccain.html?em

John McCain - straight talker you betcha.


uhhh, Raines, Jim Johnson, etc...


Franklin Raines is not and has never been a member of or advisor to Obama's
campaign. Johnson was brought in to help vet VP candidates - nothing more.

You can lay the blame for the current credit mess squarely on the
shoulders of democrats who pressured the lending industry to give
loans to the poor and who refused to create the approriate regulations
to prevent the meltdown we're seeing. I'm sure you don't see it that
way, but you've got blinders on. Besides, its all Bush's fault,
right?


Sorry, but the facts get in the way of your attempt to lay the blame for the
current economic crisis on blacks, hispanics and other minorities. (Not racist much,
are y'all?):
______________________

Federal Reserve Board data show that:
_ More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private
lending institutions.
_ Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and
moderate-income borrowers that year.
_ Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing
law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.
The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of
underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and
extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported
Friday.

(snipper)

To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave
unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances
to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.
But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small
portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006,
Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any
sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever
rates of U.S. homeownership.
______________________

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53802.html

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  #16  
Old October 12th 08, 03:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Howard Kveck
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In article ,
Bill C wrote:

On Oct 11, 9:04*pm, Bill C wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:39*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:





On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Bill C


wrote:
On Oct 11, 7:10*pm, "P.Chisholm" wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:08*pm, wrote:


On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:


Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg


That's just...hilarious.


Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just
beginning.


Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND
Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being
caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *Wait, no... that won't happen.
He's drunk the koolaid himself, and actually believes he's the
messiah.


What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.


Fred


And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found
religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he
returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of
his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was
living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things.- Hide
quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Sounds like Ted Kennedy, but McCain never abandoned anyone to die, and
didn't bother reporting it until he sobered up.


http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha.../the_coming_ob...


So don't vote for Kennedy. *


But I guess because Kennedy was a wildman that taints the other
Democrats who might run for president. *Pretty much any of them. And
Hanoi Jane leaned democrat. *And Michael Moore! Reverand Wright!!


Bogeyty wogety.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


http://tinyurl.com/4h5lz4
Obama fundraiser, convicted of fraud, spills beans By MIKE ROBINSON,
Associated Press Writer
Sat Oct 11, 11:44 AM ET

CHICAGO - Jailed political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the Chicago
real estate developer who helped launch Barack Obama on his political
career, is whispering secrets to federal prosecutors about corruption
in Illinois and the political fallout could be explosive.


Well, that surely means all kinds of bad news for Obama. Because it's so specific,
you know. Any William Ayers news today?

http://article.nationalreview.com/pr...WYxZTIzZGIyNzE
yMjE0ODI=

http://tinyurl.com/52p2fk

Obama's ACORN Connection to Voter Fraud
October 10, 2008 06:00 PM ET | Bonnie Erbe | Permanent Link | Print
Hate to say it, but when one thinks of voter fraud, one usually
associates it with the GOP, the 2000 election, and the debate over who
won Florida. You remember, voting machines that didn't work, long
lines to vote in predominantly Democratic districts, and recounts that
weren't accurate.

This election brings with it stories of voter fraud, but this time on
the Democratic side. It seems ACORN, a community organizing group that
normally helps poor people with low-income housing issues, has
registered thousands of people to vote in Democratic districts. Some
of these supposed voters reportedly are dead, nonexistent, or use
storefronts as their home addresses, as told by CNN:

No Teddy in sight.
Bill C


You guys don't understand the difference between "voter fraud" and "registration
fraud," do you? ACORN hires unemployed and homeless people to help register voters
and also help the person they employed. SOme of them have filled out a bunch of bad
registration forms because they get hired again if they do a "good job." When they
turn in the forms, ACORN people look them over and sort them into three piles: good
ones, questionable ones and obviously bad ones. The law requires that all filled out
forms get turned in, so ACORN does that, *flagging* the questionable and bad ones.
The local election officials can do what needs to be done with these forms, which
usually means getting rid of them. So how is it that ACORN is doing a bad thing if
they are *alerting* election officials that some of the forms are questionable or
bad? Furthermore, even if there are a few registrations that get through that are
under fake names, do you think someone is going to show up and claim to be that
person and vote? If you actually think this is going to have any effecton an
election, then go out and find any and all references to real voter fraud, where
people voted multiple times. Good luck finding those, Bill. All this is about is
trying to find an excuse - ANY excuse - for the fact that McCain is between 7 and 11
points behind as of today.

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  #17  
Old October 12th 08, 03:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
ST[_2_]
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On 10/11/08 7:25 PM, in article
, "Howard Kveck"
wrote:

In article
,
Bill C wrote:

On Oct 11, 9:04*pm, Bill C wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:39*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:





On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Bill C

wrote:
On Oct 11, 7:10*pm, "P.Chisholm" wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:08*pm, wrote:

On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:

Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*
http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg

That's just...hilarious.

Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just
beginning.

Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND
Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being
caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *Wait, no... that won't happen.
He's drunk the koolaid himself, and actually believes he's the
messiah.

What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.

Fred

And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found
religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he
returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of
his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was
living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sounds like Ted Kennedy, but McCain never abandoned anyone to die, and
didn't bother reporting it until he sobered up.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha.../the_coming_ob...

So don't vote for Kennedy. *

But I guess because Kennedy was a wildman that taints the other
Democrats who might run for president. *Pretty much any of them. And
Hanoi Jane leaned democrat. *And Michael Moore! Reverand Wright!!

Bogeyty wogety.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://tinyurl.com/4h5lz4
Obama fundraiser, convicted of fraud, spills beans By MIKE ROBINSON,
Associated Press Writer
Sat Oct 11, 11:44 AM ET

CHICAGO - Jailed political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the Chicago
real estate developer who helped launch Barack Obama on his political
career, is whispering secrets to federal prosecutors about corruption
in Illinois and the political fallout could be explosive.


Well, that surely means all kinds of bad news for Obama. Because it's so
specific,
you know. Any William Ayers news today?


http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNz
E
yMjE0ODI=

http://tinyurl.com/52p2fk

Obama's ACORN Connection to Voter Fraud
October 10, 2008 06:00 PM ET | Bonnie Erbe | Permanent Link | Print
Hate to say it, but when one thinks of voter fraud, one usually
associates it with the GOP, the 2000 election, and the debate over who
won Florida. You remember, voting machines that didn't work, long
lines to vote in predominantly Democratic districts, and recounts that
weren't accurate.

This election brings with it stories of voter fraud, but this time on
the Democratic side. It seems ACORN, a community organizing group that
normally helps poor people with low-income housing issues, has
registered thousands of people to vote in Democratic districts. Some
of these supposed voters reportedly are dead, nonexistent, or use
storefronts as their home addresses, as told by CNN:

No Teddy in sight.
Bill C


You guys don't understand the difference between "voter fraud" and
"registration
fraud," do you? ACORN hires unemployed and homeless people to help register
voters
and also help the person they employed. SOme of them have filled out a bunch
of bad
registration forms because they get hired again if they do a "good job." When
they
turn in the forms, ACORN people look them over and sort them into three piles:
good
ones, questionable ones and obviously bad ones. The law requires that all
filled out
forms get turned in, so ACORN does that, *flagging* the questionable and bad
ones.
The local election officials can do what needs to be done with these forms,
which
usually means getting rid of them. So how is it that ACORN is doing a bad
thing if
they are *alerting* election officials that some of the forms are questionable
or
bad? Furthermore, even if there are a few registrations that get through that
are
under fake names, do you think someone is going to show up and claim to be
that
person and vote? If you actually think this is going to have any effecton an
election, then go out and find any and all references to real voter fraud,
where
people voted multiple times. Good luck finding those, Bill. All this is about
is
trying to find an excuse - ANY excuse - for the fact that McCain is between 7
and 11
points behind as of today.



Dumb Howie,

Acorn does not flag anything! IF their surrogates are doing questionable
work to register people it is THEIR responsibility!

Bribing people with cigarettes and such to register 72 times??

  #18  
Old October 12th 08, 04:20 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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In article , ST wrote:

Acorn does not flag anything!


Wrong again, pinhead.

IF their surrogates are doing questionable
work to register people it is THEIR responsibility!


That's why they flag the questionable and obviously bad ones when they hand them
over to the election officials. They are taking responsibility.

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Old October 12th 08, 04:34 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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In article ,
Bill C wrote:

Sounds like Ted Kennedy, but McCain never abandoned anyone to die, and
didn't bother reporting it until he sobered up.


After the accident that involved his plane on the USS Forrestal, he climbed out of
the plane, went downstairs and eventually left. He did not offer to help fight the
fires or rescue anyone. 134 sailors died. I'm not saying he caused the accident - he
didn't. But his actions after he got clear of the scene look mighty similar to
"abandoning [some]one."
________________________
Whatever the circumstances of the firešs origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help
fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped
out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the
wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the shipšs side to prevent
further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where
he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the
pilotšs ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera
trained on the deck.
________________________
http://tinyurl.com/4ohysr

http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha...ng_obama_thugo
cracy


"Thugocracy?" Are you kidding? After the last seven years, someone failed to grok
the irony in accusing Obama of that. How ridiculous.

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  #20  
Old October 12th 08, 01:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Oct 11, 6:15*pm, Bill C wrote:
On Oct 11, 7:10*pm, "P.Chisholm" wrote:



On Oct 11, 4:08*pm, wrote:


On Oct 11, 1:45*pm, Boater wrote:


Cliff wrote:
* "The Candidates as Trains"
*http://images.dailykos.com/images/us...tiontrains.jpg


That's just...hilarious.


Delightfully, I believe Palin's problems in Alaska are just beginning.


Maybe, but if not for the democrats blocking any investigation into
Freddie and Fannie until after the election, you'd see most of
Nobama's financial advisors being forced to resign in shame AND Nobama
himself dropping out of the race due to the humilation of being caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. *Wait, no... that won't happen.
He's drunk the koolaid himself, and actually believes he's the
messiah.


What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.


Fred


And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found
religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he
returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of
his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was
living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Sounds like Ted Kennedy, but McCain never abandoned anyone to die, and
didn't bother reporting it until he sobered up.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha.../the_coming_ob...

http://tinyurl.com/3hjgf3
Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / September 28, 2008

Bill C


Didn't know Ted was running for Pres...hmmmm.

John did well while in captivity, did what the SRO told him to do in a
very tough situation. BUT as a Naval Aviator and Officer, he left a
lot to desire. Particularly post VietNam. He was 'given' VA-174, in
spite of not having a previous operational command, was essentially
'given' O-6, was never really competitive for flag.

He was shuffled off to DC, rather than stay in the operational
mainstream of the USN. He was 'plucked', given a cushy job rather than
send him to sea as say a CV XO.

BUT his carousing post VN is legendary. To say he hung out with women
of questionable repute puts it mildly.
 




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