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  #11  
Old September 20th 20, 12:23 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On 19/09/2020 22:08, wrote:
On Saturday, 19 September 2020 at 14:33:45 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists, particularly
in cities, where biking has become the safest means of
transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning establishment,
recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of interconnected,
high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer from a
negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking. It’s safe
to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled through a stop
sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit, but these
infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting that unlawful
driving behaviours have been studied extensively, researchers Wesley
E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron Johnson turned to cyclists’
decisions about breaking the rules of the road. Are bicyclists making
rational, albeit illegal, choices—similar to most drivers and
pedestrians—or are they reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road to
save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as drivers
and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with such
behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that respondents
recruited other participants—for an online survey that presented
hypothetical cycling scenarios along with multiple-choice questions
about what the respondent would choose to do in each scenario. Survey
takers, numbering nearly 18,000, were able to explain their rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules
of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common reason is
personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time, and
increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of bicyclists
are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations where little
harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not designed
with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on surviving.
The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a bicycle has less
to do with who you are than where you live: the overall context,
norms, and social processes of a city play a meaningful role in
bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw bicyclists
tend to be rational individuals trying to function safely and
efficiently, even if it means they are doing so illegally, given the
social norms of where they live and the transportation system put in
front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.

The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No laws
need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.


So you do not believe in votes for women.


You are obviously Mike "Massive Non Sequitur" Collins in disguise.
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  #12  
Old September 20th 20, 01:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On Sunday, 20 September 2020 at 00:22:22 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 22:08, wrote:
On Saturday, 19 September 2020 at 14:33:45 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists, particularly
in cities, where biking has become the safest means of
transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning establishment,
recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of interconnected,
high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer from a
negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking. It’s safe
to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled through a stop
sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit, but these
infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting that unlawful
driving behaviours have been studied extensively, researchers Wesley
E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron Johnson turned to cyclists’
decisions about breaking the rules of the road. Are bicyclists making
rational, albeit illegal, choices—similar to most drivers and
pedestrians—or are they reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road to
save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as drivers
and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with such
behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that respondents
recruited other participants—for an online survey that presented
hypothetical cycling scenarios along with multiple-choice questions
about what the respondent would choose to do in each scenario. Survey
takers, numbering nearly 18,000, were able to explain their rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules
of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common reason is
personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time, and
increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of bicyclists
are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations where little
harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not designed
with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on surviving..
The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a bicycle has less
to do with who you are than where you live: the overall context,
norms, and social processes of a city play a meaningful role in
bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw bicyclists
tend to be rational individuals trying to function safely and
efficiently, even if it means they are doing so illegally, given the
social norms of where they live and the transportation system put in
front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.
The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No laws
need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.


So you do not believe in votes for women.

You are obviously Mike "Massive Non Sequitur" Collins in disguise.


Blame the new version of Google Groups.

  #13  
Old September 20th 20, 01:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On Sunday, 20 September 2020 at 00:22:22 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 22:08, wrote:
On Saturday, 19 September 2020 at 14:33:45 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists, particularly
in cities, where biking has become the safest means of
transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning establishment,
recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of interconnected,
high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer from a
negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking. It’s safe
to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled through a stop
sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit, but these
infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting that unlawful
driving behaviours have been studied extensively, researchers Wesley
E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron Johnson turned to cyclists’
decisions about breaking the rules of the road. Are bicyclists making
rational, albeit illegal, choices—similar to most drivers and
pedestrians—or are they reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road to
save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as drivers
and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with such
behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that respondents
recruited other participants—for an online survey that presented
hypothetical cycling scenarios along with multiple-choice questions
about what the respondent would choose to do in each scenario. Survey
takers, numbering nearly 18,000, were able to explain their rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules
of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common reason is
personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time, and
increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of bicyclists
are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations where little
harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not designed
with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on surviving..
The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a bicycle has less
to do with who you are than where you live: the overall context,
norms, and social processes of a city play a meaningful role in
bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw bicyclists
tend to be rational individuals trying to function safely and
efficiently, even if it means they are doing so illegally, given the
social norms of where they live and the transportation system put in
front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.
The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No laws
need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.


So you do not believe in votes for women.

You are obviously Mike "Massive Non Sequitur" Collins in disguise.


Using your 'logic' women should have gained the vote through the democratic process of voting.

  #14  
Old September 20th 20, 08:23 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
colwyn[_2_]
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Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On 19/09/2020 14:35, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists, particularly
in cities, where biking has become the safest means of
transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning establishment,
recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of interconnected,
high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer from
a negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking. It’s
safe to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled through a
stop sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit, but
these infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting that
unlawful driving behaviours have been studied extensively,
researchers Wesley E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron Johnson
turned to cyclists’ decisions about breaking the rules of the road.
Are bicyclists making rational, albeit illegal, choices—similar to
most drivers and pedestrians—or are they reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road to
save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as
drivers and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with such
behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that respondents
recruited other participants—for an online survey that presented
hypothetical cycling scenarios along with multiple-choice questions
about what the respondent would choose to do in each scenario.
Survey takers, numbering nearly 18,000, were able to explain their
rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules
of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common reason is
personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time, and
increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of bicyclists
are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations where little
harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not designed
with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on surviving.
The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a bicycle has less
to do with who you are than where you live: the overall context,
norms, and social processes of a city play a meaningful role in
bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw bicyclists
tend to be rational individuals trying to function safely and
efficiently, even if it means they are doing so illegally, given the
social norms of where they live and the transportation system put in
front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?


Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.


The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No laws
need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.





Democracy ? Yeah, I've heard about it, especially the silent one!
Child labour, Housing, Climate, Health, Human rights
etc........................
and you are ****ed off, because you have seen a person on a bike using
the footway?
  #15  
Old September 20th 20, 08:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Posts: 817
Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On Sunday, 20 September 2020 at 20:23:11 UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
On 19/09/2020 14:35, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists, particularly
in cities, where biking has become the safest means of
transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning establishment,
recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of interconnected,
high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer from
a negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking. It’s
safe to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled through a
stop sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit, but
these infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting that
unlawful driving behaviours have been studied extensively,
researchers Wesley E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron Johnson
turned to cyclists’ decisions about breaking the rules of the road.
Are bicyclists making rational, albeit illegal, choices—similar to
most drivers and pedestrians—or are they reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road to
save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as
drivers and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with such
behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that respondents
recruited other participants—for an online survey that presented
hypothetical cycling scenarios along with multiple-choice questions
about what the respondent would choose to do in each scenario.
Survey takers, numbering nearly 18,000, were able to explain their
rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules
of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common reason is
personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time, and
increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of bicyclists
are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations where little
harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not designed
with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on surviving.
The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a bicycle has less
to do with who you are than where you live: the overall context,
norms, and social processes of a city play a meaningful role in
bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw bicyclists
tend to be rational individuals trying to function safely and
efficiently, even if it means they are doing so illegally, given the
social norms of where they live and the transportation system put in
front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.


The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No laws
need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.





Democracy ? Yeah, I've heard about it, especially the silent one!
Child labour, Housing, Climate, Health, Human rights
etc........................
and you are ****ed off, because you have seen a person on a bike using
the footway?


Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

  #16  
Old September 20th 20, 08:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On 19/09/2020 14:36, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 11:52, TMS320 wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others ! I didn't
expect you to display such lack of knowledge.


Remember B&Q? Perhaps Nugent was one of the many thousands of
accessories.


TMS320 excels himself in the production of gibberish.

He's getting better at it all the time.

Then you did go shopping before the law was changed but don't want to
admit it.
  #17  
Old September 21st 20, 03:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Posts: 805
Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On 20/09/2020 20:55, TMS320 wrote:
On 19/09/2020 14:36, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 11:52, TMS320 wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others ! I didn't
expect you to display such lack of knowledge.

Remember B&Q? Perhaps Nugent was one of the many thousands of
accessories.


TMS320 excels himself in the production of gibberish.

He's getting better at it all the time.

Then you did go shopping before the law was changed but don't want to
admit it.


That's not an improvement on the previous attempt at gibberish. You ned
to try harder.
  #18  
Old September 21st 20, 03:20 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Posts: 805
Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On 20/09/2020 20:23, colwyn wrote:
On 19/09/2020 14:35, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists, particularly
in cities, where biking has become the safest means of
transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning establishment,
recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of interconnected,
high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer from
a negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking. It’s
safe to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled through a
stop sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit, but
these infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting that
unlawful driving behaviours have been studied extensively,
researchers Wesley E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron
Johnson turned to cyclists’ decisions about breaking the rules of
the road. Are bicyclists making rational, albeit illegal,
choices—similar to most drivers and pedestrians—or are they
reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road to
save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as
drivers and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with such
behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that respondents
recruited other participants—for an online survey that presented
hypothetical cycling scenarios along with multiple-choice questions
about what the respondent would choose to do in each scenario.
Survey takers, numbering nearly 18,000, were able to explain their
rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the
rules of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common reason
is personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time, and
increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of
bicyclists are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations
where little harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not
designed with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on
surviving. The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a
bicycle has less to do with who you are than where you live: the
overall context, norms, and social processes of a city play a
meaningful role in bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw
bicyclists tend to be rational individuals trying to function
safely and efficiently, even if it means they are doing so
illegally, given the social norms of where they live and the
transportation system put in front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.


The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No
laws need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.

Democracy ? Yeah, I've heard about it, especially the silent one!
Child labour, Housing, Climate, Health, Human rights
etc........................


All of those things were brought to their current state before I was born.

Only you are old enough to remember child labour (unless you mean
newspaper rounds).

and you are ****ed off, because you have seen a person on a bike using
the footway?


Everyone should be. It is a clear deliberate and selfish breach of a law
designed to keep pedestrians safe. In fact, the law keeping pedestrians
safe on footways and in other pedestrian-only areas is directly
comparable to the law banning child labour, as well as other public
health and safety matters.

As with TMS320, it isn't up to you (or anyone like you) to decide that
it's alright to break that law. That's not your decision.
  #19  
Old September 21st 20, 03:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Posts: 805
Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On 20/09/2020 01:41, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 20 September 2020 at 00:22:22 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 22:08, wrote:
On Saturday, 19 September 2020 at 14:33:45 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists, particularly
in cities, where biking has become the safest means of
transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning establishment,
recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of interconnected,
high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer from a
negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking. It’s safe
to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled through a stop
sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit, but these
infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting that unlawful
driving behaviours have been studied extensively, researchers Wesley
E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron Johnson turned to cyclists’
decisions about breaking the rules of the road. Are bicyclists making
rational, albeit illegal, choices—similar to most drivers and
pedestrians—or are they reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road to
save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as drivers
and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with such
behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that respondents
recruited other participants—for an online survey that presented
hypothetical cycling scenarios along with multiple-choice questions
about what the respondent would choose to do in each scenario. Survey
takers, numbering nearly 18,000, were able to explain their rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules
of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common reason is
personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time, and
increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of bicyclists
are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations where little
harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not designed
with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on surviving.
The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a bicycle has less
to do with who you are than where you live: the overall context,
norms, and social processes of a city play a meaningful role in
bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw bicyclists
tend to be rational individuals trying to function safely and
efficiently, even if it means they are doing so illegally, given the
social norms of where they live and the transportation system put in
front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.
The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No laws
need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.

So you do not believe in votes for women.

You are obviously Mike "Massive Non Sequitur" Collins in disguise.


Using your 'logic' women should have gained the vote through the democratic process of voting.


They did.

What you need to remember is that according to the general wisdom of the
day, some people were not seen as capable of exercising the right to
vote in a meaningful way (not even all males down to the age of 21).
That is just how things were then. There was no reason for them to be
otherwise. That situation changed gradually and the changes were given
effect by the processes of democracy.

But twist that and wriggle how you like, none of it means that chav
cyclists are paragons of virtue.
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Default Are Cyclists Reckless Lawbreakers?

On 21/09/2020 15:20, JNugent wrote:
On 20/09/2020 20:23, colwyn wrote:
On 19/09/2020 14:35, JNugent wrote:
On 19/09/2020 07:51, colwyn wrote:
On 18/09/2020 23:26, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2020 20:59, colwyn wrote:

https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/


COVID-19 has hugely increased the numbers of cyclists,
particularly in cities, where biking has become the safest means
of transportation. In New York, for example, the Regional Planning
Association, a not-for-profit pillar of the planning
establishment, recently shared a master plan for 425 miles of
interconnected, high-capacity, protected bike lanes.

Yet despite their growing numbers, cyclists continue to suffer
from a negative image: supposedly reckless, rude, and lawbreaking.
It’s safe to say that nearly everyone has jaywalked, rolled
through a stop sign, or driven a few miles per hour over the speed
limit, but these infractions are often dismissed as normal. Noting
that unlawful driving behaviours have been studied extensively,
researchers Wesley E. Marshall, Daniel Piatkowski, and Aaron
Johnson turned to cyclists’ decisions about breaking the rules of
the road. Are bicyclists making rational, albeit illegal,
choices—similar to most drivers and pedestrians—or are they
reckless and dangerous?

While drivers and pedestrians mostly break the rules of the road
to save time, for cyclists the most common reason is personal safety.
Marshall, Piatkowski, and Johnson asked bicyclists as well as
drivers and pedestrians to analyse the factors associated with
such behaviours. They used snowball sampling—meaning that
respondents recruited other participants—for an online survey that
presented hypothetical cycling scenarios along with
multiple-choice questions about what the respondent would choose
to do in each scenario. Survey takers, numbering nearly 18,000,
were able to explain their rationales.

It turns out that 100 percent of the sample population admitted to
some form of lawbreaking. But the rationales differed by mode of
transportation: while drivers and pedestrians mostly break the
rules of the road to save time, for cyclists the most common
reason is personal safety, followed by saving energy, saving time,
and increasing one’s visibility. The overwhelming majority of
bicyclists are not reckless: they mostly break laws in situations
where little harm would come to themselves or others.

Additionally, they are often motivated by concerns for their own
safety, because they feel like an afterthought in a transportation
system dominated by cars. Our infrastructure simply was not
designed with bicycles in mind, so most bicyclists seem focused on
surviving. The study concludes that lawbreaking while riding a
bicycle has less to do with who you are than where you live: the
overall context, norms, and social processes of a city play a
meaningful role in bicycling behaviours.


The authors conclude that “most bicyclists can…be described as
scofflaws.” They note that the word originated in 1924 with a
newspaper competition “to coin a word to describe those that
disobeyed Prohibition laws for rational reasons that did not
necessarily break social norms.” They continue, “scofflaw
bicyclists tend to be rational individuals trying to function
safely and efficiently, even if it means they are doing so
illegally, given the social norms of where they live and the
transportation system put in front of them.”

One rare benefit of the COVID-19 crisis could be a change in
attitudes about biking and improved conditions for doing so. Then,
perhaps, fewer laws would need to be broken.

Who would have thought it?

Laws *need* to be broken?

Says who (apart from criminals)?

Emmeline Pankhurst comes to mind as many,many others !
I didn't expect you to display such lack of knowledge.

The United Kingdom is not some banana republic or fascist state. No
laws need to be broken.

It's the exact opposite: civil society needs laws to be obeyed.

Changes of the law are a matter for the operation of persuasion and
democracy, not violent riot, bullying or criminality.

Democracy ? Yeah, I've heard about it, especially the silent one!
Child labour, Housing, Climate, Health, Human rights
etc........................


All of those things were brought to their current state before I was born.

Only you are old enough to remember child labour (unless you mean
newspaper rounds).

and you are ****ed off, because you have seen a person on a bike using
the footway?


Everyone should be. It is a clear deliberate and selfish breach of a law
designed to keep pedestrians safe. In fact, the law keeping pedestrians
safe on footways and in other pedestrian-only areas is directly
comparable to the law banning child labour, as well as other public
health and safety matters.

As with TMS320, it isn't up to you (or anyone like you) to decide that
it's alright to break that law. That's not your decision.


Just to pick you up on Child Labour, it is not about you getting the
Daily Gossip.

Next time you go into department store and look at the label showing the
country of origin, you may remind yourself, that the textile and
agricultural industries in some countries only exists, because of your
support for child labour.

Just as scandalous is the reliance on unpaid "carer children" looking
after siblings or parents in our society today.

Why don't you find something productive to do, instead of carping and
sniping in literally every posting you make.

Finally, I have never advocated a violation of any law, so I resent your
inference that I do.
 




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