Another pedestrian injured on the pavement by cyclist

On 16/01/2011 14:41, alan.holmes wrote:
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On Jan 16, 7:44 am, wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:17 am, Tony wrote:



On 15/01/2011 07:02, Doug wrote:

On Jan 15, 12:02 am, wrote:
http://www.essexcountystandard.co.uk...62.Runner___s_...

Nicola Rogers, 27, who competes for RunEvolve running club in
Colchester, was out jogging when three boys on bikes crashed into her
on the pavement, knocking her down.

And to think that some people on this NG say this never happens.
Then they will tell you that if it was a car the outcomr would be
worse, but many never say a word against this type of cyclist.

Yes they do and quite often here and you are the proof of that.

I think it would be fair to say, that most on this NG would condemn a
driver deliberately driving along the pavement (there are obvious
exceptions, access, utilities, etc)

Strange then that they seldom do and instead prefer to single out
cyclists here.

But I have yet to see you say any word about pavement cycling, in fact
you seem to be all for it, even complaining about pavement furniture
getting in the way.

You are as usual quite wrong. I have in the past made numerous
statements about pavement cycling and attribute it to fear on the part
of the cyclist and suggested that roads should be made safer for them
so that they no longer feel a need to use pavements, which are much
more inconvenient to cycle on than roads anyway.

And always without any substantiation. As there has never been any
evidence put forward for this claim, it cannot be held as valid in any
way, which makes your continued use of it as an excuse for OT posts
also invalid.

You, obviously, do not cycle on the road, otherwise you would be aware of
the many hazzards for cyclists, sunken drain covers being just one, which
means they HAVE to move further out into the road, thus getting in the way
of motorists and making them at risk from being knocked down and injured or
killed.

You should try it sometime then you would not have to ask for evidence of
the risks to cyclists.

Just in case you were in any doubt or ignorance (one or other must be the
case), cyclists may NOT pass their own perceived fears on to pedestrians.

If it's too dangerous to cycle, leave the bike at home and get the Tube.

On Jan 16, 2:41*pm, "alan.holmes" wrote:
"FrengaX" wrote in message

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On Jan 16, 7:44 am, Doug wrote:





On Jan 15, 9:17 am, Tony Dragon wrote:

On 15/01/2011 07:02, Doug wrote:

On Jan 15, 12:02 am, wrote:
http://www.essexcountystandard.co.uk...62.Runner___s_...

Nicola Rogers, 27, who competes for RunEvolve running club in
Colchester, was out jogging when three boys on bikes crashed into her
on the pavement, knocking her down.

And to think that some people on this NG say this never happens.
Then they will tell you that if it was a car the outcomr would be
worse, but many never say a word against this type of cyclist.

Yes they do and quite often here and you are the proof of that.

I think it would be fair to say, that most on this NG would condemn a
driver deliberately driving along the pavement (there are obvious
exceptions, access, utilities, etc)

Strange then that they seldom do and instead prefer to single out
cyclists here.

But I have yet to see you say any word about pavement cycling, in fact
you seem to be all for it, even complaining about pavement furniture
getting in the way.

You are as usual quite wrong. I have in the past made numerous
statements about pavement cycling and attribute it to fear on the part
of the cyclist and suggested that roads should be made safer for them
so that they no longer feel a need to use pavements, which are much
more inconvenient to cycle on than roads anyway.
And always without any substantiation. As there has never been any

evidence put forward for this claim, it cannot be held as valid in any
way, which makes your continued use of it as an excuse for OT posts
also invalid.

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You, obviously, do not cycle on the road, otherwise you would be aware of
the many hazzards for cyclists, sunken drain covers being just one, which
means they HAVE to move further out into the road, thus getting in the way
of motorists and making them at risk from being knocked down and injured or
killed.

You should try it sometime then you would not have to ask for evidence of
the risks to cyclists.

When I cycle, I do cycle in the road. I am quite aware of things like
drain covers, potholes etc, but I seem to manage to avoid them without
getting run over and without having to resort to the pavement (which
is hardly bowling-green smooth in comparison anyway).

In any case, metioning that there are hazards wherever you are still
does not amount to substatiating a claim that fear is the main reason
driving cyclist onto the pavements. It needs a bit more than someone
saying, "ooh look, it's scary." Doug is very good at making
assumptions for particular behaviour and projecting his own thoughts/
deficiencies onto everyone else, rather than actually bothering to
seek opinion or garner evidence.