Economics not bicycle tech

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 2:26:16 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are
really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And
your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1
out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be
happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe
the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.

I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.

It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is?


Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the
multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God�, if
there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that
they bet on the wrong horse.

Buddhism doesn't offer an afterlife. It is a way of life that also
happens to pretty much align with Christianity. This is why so many
Indians and Chinese converted to Christianity


Yeah, I got that part wrong. Sorry for ruining the joke. On the other hand,
maybe the Buddhists were right about everything else, but wrong about the
absence of an afterlife, which would add to everybody’s surprise.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 11:24:43 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1 out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.

I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.

You think 32% of the world population is Christian or Jewish? I think that is way too high a percentage. China and India are well over one billion each. Neither is a Christian nation. And all those other densely populated southeast Asian countries are not Christian. Don't think Africa has many Christians. Not Japan either. Not the middle east. The only Christian/Jew parts of the world are Europe, South American, North America, Australia, Israel. They might make up 25% of the world population. Then deduct all of the non believers and other believing immigrants from those populations. You are down to 10-15% of the world population believing in a Christian, Jew god. Not 32%.

Atheism and agnosticism do not count.

No, they have to count too. I think of religions like the NFL. Sort of. All the various religions make up the teams in the NFL. Only one gets to be Super Bowl champion. All the others are losers. So there is only one heaven and one hell. Which ever religious version of it you like. There is not ten different heavens, one for each religion. No one knows which religion is the right one. So all the atheists and agnostics are on teams too. Just like all the religions have a team. And only one is going to be the Super Bowl champ when the season is over.

On 4/8/2020 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.



You think the people in the top 10% income actually lost money due to the 2018 Tax Act? And you have been touting yourself on this board as being a genius and super smart. The top 10% income own about 90% of all the stock market. And the 2018 Tax Act cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. Big reduction. So corporations instantly had more profit. And that usually translates to higher stock prices. Of course in 2018 Trump caused the SP500, Dow, Nasdaq to all lose money.

As for working for the Electorate, when did companies get a vote? Did the Republicans pass that law recently? Giving votes to companies based on how much money they donated to Trump? The 2018 Tax Act was a corporate tax cut.


Regarding personal income taxes, yes high earning cohorts
actually paid more after the changes. Note Ms Pelosi's
current push to remove the SALT cap for her ultra-affluent
donors.

One may argue, and I will, that reducing corporate rates
(and even better, removing some of the Byzantine tax code
provisions for corporate welfare and malinvestment) is good
for the nation and employee wages in particular.

Corporations are collections of people- like unions, The
Masons or any other group. There are small and large,
efficient and inefficient but a corporation is not any
different from us- because they are us.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-5, wrote:

You are entitled to vote for anyone you like. Using entitlement to vote for Romney who is the very picture of entitlement is a perfect demonstration of your inability to understand the political class and why people voted for Trump.

I know, tell us he is racist, xenophobic and calls everyone deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers.

Entitlement? Romney made his money in Bain Capital. A buyout company. He bought and then sold companies. Making millions and millions on each deal. Trump inherited his daddy's real estate company. Which one is more entitled, pampered, babied? Trump's daddy got him his military deferments, bad feet medical exemption, Wharton admittance. Romney also got deferments.

When you don't know anything why do you repeat the Lame Stream Media tales?

When Trump got out of college he went to work for his father's real estate firm. The problem was that he had been educated in a military academy with a strict code of conduct. His father was treating his employees as nothing more than slaves and so Donald quit, borrowed 10 million dollars off of Daddy and started his own business. All of the people that ever worked for him praised his treatment of them putting them and their interests FIRST above profit. But in the early 80's it was difficult to not make a profit in a growing economy and expanding cities. He repaid his father in very short order.

When his father died the old man was worth $40 Million and it was evenly split before his four children.

We realize that you want to pretend anything and everything that you don't know is an open book to you but then it is pretty clear that you have trouble remembering how to use a toilet and miss often enough that your feet have a permanent yellow hue.

On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 12:57:52 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


My brother the anaesthesiologist says that if your average guy had a
respirator and an unable-to-breathe patient the patient would be dead by
morning. The operator, (much like pilots/aircraft in WWII) is a critical
item and in short supply compared to machines.

He is possibly correct, but there is a hell of people who use assisted
breathing apparatus(cpaps, etc) around so the claim may just be an area
of his lack of knowledge.

When a cpap store can survive on main street here for years, there must
some "common" knowledge.

BTW, AFAIK a respirator is just a specialised form of cpap; a bi-pap, it
"pumps" both ways. Well is runs pressure on and pressure off where as a
cpap is consisten pressure on.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:39:57 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1 out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.

I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.

You think 32% of the world population is Christian or Jewish? I think that is way too high a percentage. China and India are well over one billion each. Neither is a Christian nation. And all those other densely populated southeast Asian countries are not Christian. Don't think Africa has many Christians. Not Japan either. Not the middle east. The only Christian/Jew parts of the world are Europe, South American, North America, Australia, Israel. They might make up 25% of the world population. Then deduct all of the non believers and other believing immigrants from those populations. You are down to 10-15% of the world population believing in a Christian, Jew god. Not 32%.


You underestimate African Christian culture I think:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ing-in-europe/

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

True I did forget about the African Christian connection. My Mom's church/faith gets lots of ministers from Africa and the Philippines. And sends money and missionaries to Africa. But I'm still sticking with my statement that 32% of the world is not Christian/Jewish. I'm sure the billion plus in India are not Christian. And I'm equally positive the billion plus in China and the rest of Asia are not Christian. So that is 50% of the world's total population gone right there.

Another one of those things you like to guess at in leu of knowledge. Christian ministries in African work is not trying conversion but educating people how to do things like digging wells and proper farming techniques. People who can do things for themselves advance 100 times faster than if they had someone else dig wells or shipments of food were made to them. When they grow out of poverty and need they are more receptive of the message from Jesus. And you don't even know what that is.

Religion is something you do not understand. You must be a evolutionist who all believe they are atheists. The DNA in a human would take 10^44 x 10-77th replications to evolve. That is more time than the entire Universe existed.

The extinction of dinosaurs which were equally developed, and the entire burst of lifeforms could NOT have happened. To change from one species to another is virtually impossible to the point where not a single case has ever been shown.

In order for, say, a goat to change into a sheep, again the mutation has to effect the initial development. There isn't a single case of this ever occurring where this was not fatal to the mutation.

Minor evolution such as beak shape on birds or feather colors and the like could be explained because those mutations come last in the line of mutations AFTER the formation of the bird species itself.

On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 10:26:58 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:23:47 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Listening to people here who actually believe in Darwin, spouting
religion is ridiculous.

Did you know that Usenet has its own collection of characters,
apparently modeled after various biblical characters? I wrote this
about 25 years ago. It still applies:
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/genesis.txt


--
Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060
http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

While that is clever it isn't accurate. The internet chat groups used to
have quite intellectual discussions because it was mostly limited to
technical people. That ended with the more general public who most often
ranted anonymously.

It ended when the group users could no longer mail bomb spammers so that
their service upstrem pulled the plug on them.

On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 09:57:38 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:32:04 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:08:54 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:


Jay, you can't let a chance go by to show you're crazy can you? Just
the PROPERTY that Trump owns makes him a billionaire.

Does he own them or are they owned by banks?

So among your other talents or lack of such, you cannot look it up?

So you are making another claim that you can not back up. No surprise.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:16:09 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.



You think the people in the top 10% income actually lost money due to the 2018 Tax Act? And you have been touting yourself on this board as being a genius and super smart. The top 10% income own about 90% of all the stock market. And the 2018 Tax Act cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. Big reduction. So corporations instantly had more profit. And that usually translates to higher stock prices. Of course in 2018 Trump caused the SP500, Dow, Nasdaq to all lose money.

As for working for the Electorate, when did companies get a vote? Did the Republicans pass that law recently? Giving votes to companies based on how much money they donated to Trump? The 2018 Tax Act was a corporate tax cut.

Again you don't understand anything but want to tell me about it. 32% of the market is 401k accounts of middle class workers. The largest PERCENTAGE of those in the market is the top 1% and in case it passed you up, the bottom of the top 10% is an income of about $140,000/yr.

PERSONAL income taxes are different from commercial income taxes. Without the loopholes rather than the upper 10% income earners paid and extra 1% on their income tax bills. The tax cut helped business the most and they responded with huge expansion building new jobs and increasing wages to so rapidly that no one believed it.

Those that benefited the most from the tax cut were middle class families with two or more children.

Stop bringing your stupid lies from the Lame Stream Media on here as if they were so clever and informative. Time for you to watch your favorite Rachel Madcow.

Time to tell us again that Covid-19 is deadly or that Hydroxychloroquine is poisonous. Be SURE not to mention that we have presently lost 14,600 people to covid-19 but completely ignore the 56,000 deaths so far this season to the seasonal flu. Pretend that we shouldn't have a single death to covid-19 but the normal 40,000 dead from the seasonal flu is completely OK with you.

Run off and play.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:56:00 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.



You think the people in the top 10% income actually lost money due to the 2018 Tax Act? And you have been touting yourself on this board as being a genius and super smart. The top 10% income own about 90% of all the stock market. And the 2018 Tax Act cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. Big reduction. So corporations instantly had more profit. And that usually translates to higher stock prices. Of course in 2018 Trump caused the SP500, Dow, Nasdaq to all lose money.

As for working for the Electorate, when did companies get a vote? Did the Republicans pass that law recently? Giving votes to companies based on how much money they donated to Trump? The 2018 Tax Act was a corporate tax cut.


Regarding personal income taxes, yes high earning cohorts
actually paid more after the changes. Note Ms Pelosi's
current push to remove the SALT cap for her ultra-affluent
donors.

One may argue, and I will, that reducing corporate rates
(and even better, removing some of the Byzantine tax code
provisions for corporate welfare and malinvestment) is good
for the nation and employee wages in particular.

Corporations are collections of people- like unions, The
Masons or any other group. There are small and large,
efficient and inefficient but a corporation is not any
different from us- because they are us.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

If you do not tax everyone the same percentage of their income, it is easy for low income people to agree to increase taxes for someone else. A flat tax is the only way to go. The rich would still pay most of the taxes. But any tax raises would effect everyone equally. (flat taxes also implies NO write-offs other than the cost to do business).