Economics not bicycle tech

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 7:10:22 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:

It's a real problem and a death by drowning is not most
people's first choice of method. However, to take NY State
and NYC for example, total deaths from all causes are lower
than last year and reported influenza deaths are
significantly down. Despite a real and lamentable loss of
life, Wuhan virus death numbers are inflated, by how much no
one can say, but it is certainly the case.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

When the majority of people who die are in their eighties or seventies, it's a legitimate question whether they wouldn't have died for some other preexisting cause than coronavirus -- as we used to say in Australia -- anyhow.

Andre Jute
Whaddayamean there are no fax?

AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph
Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John
B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi
wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee
Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send
out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred
artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's
mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it
was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the
"the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker
friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter
mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long
double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper,
we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual
discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends,
the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more.
Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The
toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much
and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their
staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune
systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they
cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact
that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so
immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no
or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear
since they are not properly testing people but it
appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them
however the treatment methods look to be working very
well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be
a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be
more widespread testing which increases the baseline
and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms,
only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And
treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims
from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer
than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and
that is not just room for error but totally missing the
mark.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have
had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495
deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/


Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or
less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the
people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have
to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it.
They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how
many people are naturally immune and they don't know the
numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have
had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is
falling.

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a
ventilator. I think it's been a couple weeks now. If this
isn't real, I should try to get word to him.



It's a real problem and a death by drowning is not most
people's first choice of method. However, to take NY State
and NYC for example, total deaths from all causes are lower
than last year and reported influenza deaths are
significantly down. Despite a real and lamentable loss of
life, Wuhan virus death numbers are inflated, by how much no
one can say, but it is certainly the case.


Notwithstanding dying of boredom, wouldn’t you expect “death by all other
causes� to go down when people are staying home, not driving, etc?

AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/


Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or
less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the
people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have
to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it.
They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how
many people are naturally immune and they don't know the
numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have
had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is
falling.

Maybe the "elite" are simply waiting to collect enough antibodies (for
themselves, first) from fully recovered patients.

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a
ventilator. I think it's been a couple weeks now. If this
isn't real, I should try to get word to him.

You seem to be using your struggling friend as a human shield for your cheap
rhetoric. That's almost as bad as the conspicuous lack of supplying the
terrorized public with complete sets of (anonymous) patient data about each
and every recorded victim of Wuhan virus infection.

It's a real problem and a death by drowning is not most
people's first choice of method. However, to take NY State
and NYC for example, total deaths from all causes are lower
than last year and reported influenza deaths are
significantly down. Despite a real and lamentable loss of
life, Wuhan virus death numbers are inflated, by how much no
one can say, but it is certainly the case.

If anyone attempts to complain again about calling it the "Wuhan" virus,
point them to this:
https://youtu.be/t-QsyDdLUYw?t=5m59s
Or just call it the "Djung-guoa" virus to put clueless question marks on
their foreheads:
https://youtu.be/t-QsyDdLUYw?t=1h4m50s


--
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/understanding-cycles/gates-stupid-or-diabolical/

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 12:54:50 PM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/


Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or
less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the
people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have
to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it.
They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how
many people are naturally immune and they don't know the
numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have
had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is
falling.

Maybe the "elite" are simply waiting to collect enough antibodies (for
themselves, first) from fully recovered patients.

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a
ventilator. I think it's been a couple weeks now. If this
isn't real, I should try to get word to him.

You seem to be using your struggling friend as a human shield for your cheap
rhetoric. That's almost as bad as the conspicuous lack of supplying the
terrorized public with complete sets of (anonymous) patient data about each
and every recorded victim of Wuhan virus infection.

It's a real problem and a death by drowning is not most
people's first choice of method. However, to take NY State
and NYC for example, total deaths from all causes are lower
than last year and reported influenza deaths are
significantly down. Despite a real and lamentable loss of
life, Wuhan virus death numbers are inflated, by how much no
one can say, but it is certainly the case.

If anyone attempts to complain again about calling it the "Wuhan" virus,
point them to this:
https://youtu.be/t-QsyDdLUYw?t=5m59s
Or just call it the "Djung-guoa" virus to put clueless question marks on
their foreheads:
https://youtu.be/t-QsyDdLUYw?t=1h4m50s


--
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/understanding-cycles/gates-stupid-or-diabolical/

I think you're expressing the point I have been trying to make against a terrible headwind of hate.

The basic statistics that we presently have on the covid-19 are absolute garbage. They mean only that of the numbers of "confirmed" cases (arguing that most cases are not confirmed by the tests is not a valid argument since these come from places other than the US because here we are as a rule only testing people that have pretty descriptive symptoms) we can say that of these cases the mortality rate wonders between 1 and 3.5% depending upon the reporting period.

In Germany I would expect them to have a far more accurate idea but this is harmed by the fact that there are few cases to begin with so the actual infection rate may be relatively tiny with the population of 25% of the US and a far more homogenous society plus a less dense population which would normally limit the infection rates.

I really do want a Congressional investigation of the CDC after the next election when the Democrats are unable to politicize such an investigation.

On 4/9/2020 3:54 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a
ventilator. I think it's been a couple weeks now. If this
isn't real, I should try to get word to him.

You seem to be using your struggling friend as a human shield for your cheap
rhetoric.

Well, thanks for that bit of rhetoric. I guess we'll find out if it's
cheap when the bill arrives.

Certain people are repeatedly saying the problem is confined to old
people or people with underlying conditions. I'm providing a
counterexample.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/9/2020 2:32 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 1:54:01 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 3:57:44 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 3:16:03 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 09:57:38 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:32:04 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:08:54 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:


Jay, you can't let a chance go by to show you're crazy can you? Just
the PROPERTY that Trump owns makes him a billionaire.

Does he own them or are they owned by banks?

So among your other talents or lack of such, you cannot look it up?

So you are making another claim that you can not back up. No surprise.

All of Trump's companies own their own buildings and the land they sit on free and clear. Why would you insist otherwise? Trump is slightly more wealthy than Bloomberg which drives Bloomdoggle crazy. Over $50 Billion.

Why are you so willing to invent an entirely new world?

WTF? Even Trump doesn't claim outright ownership of his buildings or a net worth anywhere near $50B. You're unhinged.

-- Jay Beattie.

You mean you believe Trump leases buildings to operate hotels in? If that's true, he's definitely stupid enough to be President. Also, if it is true, old Fred Trump is to blame for not beating young Donald more often and harder. This is a red letter day, the first time in my life I've heard a lawyer say something quite that patently silly. Don't bother to go looking for examples; any you find will be tax shelter arrangements between the right hand and the left hand of the same owner -- definitely at arm's length from each other, and saying otherwise is definitely slander!

Andre Jute
Thanks for the giggle, man


You might be surprised. NYC real estate is amazingly complex
compared to the real world (I have no idea about DJT or any
of the Trump Organizations properties, leases, interests or
partnerships)

I do know that The Empire State Building was built in 1930
on leased land. Yes, the building owners do not own the land
under it, land which changed ownership in 2002 which is when
I learned that.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/9/2020 2:50 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph
Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John
B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi
wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee
Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send
out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred
artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's
mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it
was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the
"the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker
friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter
mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long
double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper,
we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual
discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends,
the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more.
Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The
toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much
and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their
staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune
systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they
cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact
that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so
immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no
or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear
since they are not properly testing people but it
appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them
however the treatment methods look to be working very
well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be
a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be
more widespread testing which increases the baseline
and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms,
only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And
treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims
from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer
than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and
that is not just room for error but totally missing the
mark.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have
had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495
deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/


Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or
less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the
people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have
to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it.
They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how
many people are naturally immune and they don't know the
numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have
had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is
falling.

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a
ventilator. I think it's been a couple weeks now. If this
isn't real, I should try to get word to him.



It's a real problem and a death by drowning is not most
people's first choice of method. However, to take NY State
and NYC for example, total deaths from all causes are lower
than last year and reported influenza deaths are
significantly down. Despite a real and lamentable loss of
life, Wuhan virus death numbers are inflated, by how much no
one can say, but it is certainly the case.


Notwithstanding dying of boredom, wouldn’t you expect “death by all other
causes� to go down when people are staying home, not driving, etc?


Probably yes.
I am surprised (as I noted earlier, I'm dead guilty of poor
clairvoyance) there's been so little domestic mayhem.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/9/2020 2:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 10:20:08 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/

Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it. They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how many people are naturally immune and they don't know the numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is falling.

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a ventilator. I think
it's been a couple weeks now. If this isn't real, I should try to get
word to him.

Always curious when you purposely misrepresent what is being said.

If you die from a heart attack while infected by the flu the cause of death is going to be recorded as you died from a heart attack and perhaps an extenuating circumstance, breathing difficulty causes by the flu.

Not surprisingly, the CDC says otherwise. From
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm
"What are seasonal influenza-related deaths? Seasonal influenza-related
deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was
likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the
primary cause of death."

If you die from the same heart attack which infected with covid-19 the cause of death is NOT recorded as a heart attack which was the underlying health problem that killed you, but by covid-19.

You really should research a bit before you post. Instead, your
information all seems to originate either in your own imagination, or on
Fox News.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 1:29:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2020 2:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 10:20:08 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2020 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls..
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/

Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or less the same.. But that's OK, according to all of the people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it. They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how many people are naturally immune and they don't know the numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is falling.

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a ventilator. I think
it's been a couple weeks now. If this isn't real, I should try to get
word to him.

Always curious when you purposely misrepresent what is being said.

If you die from a heart attack while infected by the flu the cause of death is going to be recorded as you died from a heart attack and perhaps an extenuating circumstance, breathing difficulty causes by the flu.

Not surprisingly, the CDC says otherwise. From
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm
"What are seasonal influenza-related deaths? Seasonal influenza-related
deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was
likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the
primary cause of death."

If you die from the same heart attack which infected with covid-19 the cause of death is NOT recorded as a heart attack which was the underlying health problem that killed you, but by covid-19.

You really should research a bit before you post. Instead, your
information all seems to originate either in your own imagination, or on
Fox News.

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- Frank Krygowski

My information came directly from the CDC who said precisely that. I also noted an interviewed nurse who claimed that her hospital management was following those directives from the CDC. I suggest for once in your life you remove your head from your nether regions.

On 4/9/2020 3:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2020 1:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

BTW, some arguments seem strangely identical to what's
described in this paragraph:

"After first downplaying the threat of the coronavirus, then
accusing Democrats of overhyping it to hurt President Trump,
then claiming the “cure� of shutting down the economy
could be worse than the disease, Fox News’ hosts now seem
to be following a new set of marching orders when discussing
the deadly pathogen: questioning whether all that many
people are really dying from it."



Every Monday morning quarterback woulda called that play better?
Everyone 'knew' stocks would drop? Not!

Besides DiBlasio, Cuomo and other notables, New Orleans Mayor LaToya
Cantrell famously urged people to ignore the virus risk and party on for
Mardi Gras. Now she blames Mr Trump, who didn't stop her from saying that!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-outbreak.html


Politicians are not alone in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjNVuRoEBPs

Many people are stone cold guilty of lacking clairvoyance.
(me, f'rinstance)

Mr Trump was roundly castigated as a racist fearmonger for banning
inbound from China before any other country. And that was 3-1/2 weeks
before Mardi Gras, back when Dr Fauci was saying 'not to worry, just a
flu'. At some point actions matter, or ought to.

Interesting use of the passive voice. Doubtlessly "Mr. Trump was
castigated as a racist" by some people. Simultaneously, other people
were doubtlessly saying he was not doing enough. Those objecting to the
administration's tactics are not a monolithic block.

Yes, in the early days, there was not enough information to tell how
this was going to play out. Yes, some early statements are now seen to
be too mild (although heavily edited video clips that remove context are
not the best way of documenting that.)

But science being what it is, information and data kept arriving.
Scientists and medical professionals being what they are, their
statements and recommendations changed in response.

One problem with this administration was its sticking to a Pollyanna
message that directly ignored the most recent data and professional
recommendations. ("Just a few cases, and the number is dropping.") That
was in addition to its prior moves that slowed response time and
terribly limited testing capacity. Oh, and subsequent moves, like
redefining the national stockpiles according to Jared's whim; and
forcing states to bid against each other for needed equipment.

And all that doesn't even touch on Trump's personal leadership style -
calling the governor of Washington a "snake" (what other president has
done that??); implying that governors need to show obeisance to get
federal help; calling multiple reporters' questions "nasty." (Dude, if
you can't handle a tough question, you're in the wrong job!)

Trump is the polar opposite of a leader. There is no "buck stops here"
on his desk. That's partly why his crisis response poll numbers are so
much lower than those of W, of Bush I, etc.

Is it Monday morning quarterbacking? Call it that if you like. But
that's what's been done, and is still being done, with every president
since Washington. (I'm still ticked off about the Whiskey Rebellion.)
Again, if someone wants to be a World Leader, they should be smart
enough to expect that. Trump can't stand it because he wants only
adulation. Sorry, that's for monarchies, not democracies.

(BTW, when did Fauci say "it's just a flu"? I can't seem to find that.)



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- Frank Krygowski