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Basso Loto [OT]
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:40:15 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-11-07 14:49, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-06 20:24, John B. wrote: On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:46:19 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote: On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't even get 1000mi out of a chain. What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional cleaning and lubrication. Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar. It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these: https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids, drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or the open space. I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't. It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured mansion. Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point. They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those know if seasoned enough. The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ... Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including: benzene, formaldehyde, acrolein, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). With all that what's a little extra? We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to the storm cap. Well, there you go. Just dump the used cleaning fluid in the stove and it will be magically destroyed with no harm to the atmosphere. That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap. But you were bragging about a stove that "burned clean" so I assumed that it actually did burn clean, and now you are telling me that it doesn't burn clean? If you dump a cold oily substance into it there will be a substantial puff of unhealthy smoke. If you used a wood stove you should know that. Well, I was using, or at least people around me were using, a wood stove when I was a youngster. My grandfather heated his house with wood stoves until I was in my teens, so yes, I would say that I am familiar with wood stoves. But you bragged about having a clean stove that doesn't smoke. and now you say that it does smoke? By the way, when I was living in a house trailer in the depths of a Maine winter I heated the place with a kerosene stove... no visible smoke. -- cheers, John B. |
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Basso Loto [OT]
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:44:56 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-11-07 19:29, news18 wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. That stench here comes from the kerosenes heaters. Oil heating was very popular in Germany where I lived earlier. However, even in the 60's the inspector who was also the (required) chimney sweep measured the soot content on a regular basis. The limits became ever more strict and if your installation couldn't get below the limit it was de-certified for further use until repaired or replaced. The last house my folks owned, probably from about 1939 until they died in the mid 1990's was heated first by wood and later by fuel oil and to the best of my recollection never had the chimneys cleaned. and never had a chimney fire either :-) In fact I can't remember any house having it's chimney cleaned so it must not have been a common happening. -- cheers, John B. |
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Basso Loto
On Wednesday, October 16, 2019 at 9:44:19 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy.. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Because of President Trump's economy the powder coater has more work than he knows what to do with. So instead of two weeks to get my Basso powder coated it took 6 weeks. Almost the entire workforce there are Hispanics and a lot of them can't speak English but where in the hell would he get the labor he needs if it wasn't for them? Anyway, the "Transparent Blue" looks even better than I thought it would. If I didn't need to clear coat the frame to seal the decals on you wouldn't be able to tell the difference because this is the smoothest powder coat job I've ever seen. I assume that it is the powder itself that sets this smoothly. I obtained the decals from www.wani.co.uk and these too are so much better than the others I have used I can't give this guy enough credit. Put on the frame, it looks like it's been painted on. There are no bumps in-between the powder coat and the decals and they stuck on perfectly though you have to be careful pealing the paper cover off of the decal. No one presently makes the block lettered "Loto" decal yet so I asked this guy to make them up for me. I'll keep my fingers crossed. The reconditioning is coming along more slowly than I'd hoped but it is making progress. Looking at it now impresses me and knowing that since it is powder coated that it will last forever and will be very difficult to scratch also means that I won't have to worry about it again for the remainder of my life. I ordered some aluminum bars that have an aero shape so that the finished product ought to be interesting. I tripped over some like-new 10 speed Campy levers on eBay and I will probably put those on the Basso. I am somewhat ambiguous about whether to put the Campy Scirraco wheels on or the Chinese 50 mm carbon clinchers. The carbon clinchers have very highly tensioned aero spokes and those wheels handle better in gusting side winds than a flat rimmed wheel. This is why I immediately thought of tightening the spokes on the tubeless carbon aero rims even after Robby said that they were correctly tensioned. Robby was one of the team mechanics on 7-11 team and specialized in wheel building. But that was then and this is now. It is so fricking difficult to build an aero carbon rim wheel that I doubt that he's even bothered to try. In the end I had three days into building a single wheel and it is still about 0.020" out of round. But so are the clinchers so I won't worry about it. |
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Basso Loto [OT]
On 2019-11-09 14:57, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:44:56 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-07 19:29, news18 wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. That stench here comes from the kerosenes heaters. Oil heating was very popular in Germany where I lived earlier. However, even in the 60's the inspector who was also the (required) chimney sweep measured the soot content on a regular basis. The limits became ever more strict and if your installation couldn't get below the limit it was de-certified for further use until repaired or replaced. The last house my folks owned, probably from about 1939 until they died in the mid 1990's was heated first by wood and later by fuel oil and to the best of my recollection never had the chimneys cleaned. and never had a chimney fire either :-) A neighbor had it happen. Twice. Thing is, if you have the stereo going you may not hear it. A driver coming down a hill 1/4 mile away raced there, told them and called the fire department. That can easily burn down a house and maybe some others along with it. In fact I can't remember any house having it's chimney cleaned so it must not have been a common happening. That is like with safety belts, grandpa's car didn't have them and he lived well into his 90's. Yet we won't drive without. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 06:58:31 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-11-09 14:57, John B. wrote: On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:44:56 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-07 19:29, news18 wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove. That stench here comes from the kerosenes heaters. Oil heating was very popular in Germany where I lived earlier. However, even in the 60's the inspector who was also the (required) chimney sweep measured the soot content on a regular basis. The limits became ever more strict and if your installation couldn't get below the limit it was de-certified for further use until repaired or replaced. The last house my folks owned, probably from about 1939 until they died in the mid 1990's was heated first by wood and later by fuel oil and to the best of my recollection never had the chimneys cleaned. and never had a chimney fire either :-) A neighbor had it happen. Twice. Thing is, if you have the stereo going you may not hear it. A driver coming down a hill 1/4 mile away raced there, told them and called the fire department. That can easily burn down a house and maybe some others along with it. In fact I can't remember any house having it's chimney cleaned so it must not have been a common happening. That is like with safety belts, grandpa's car didn't have them and he lived well into his 90's. Yet we won't drive without. I'm not saying that they don't happen, just that I never saw it happen and we lived in one neighborhood and my grandparents lived about a mile away and I think that if a chimney fire had happened in either neighborhood it would have been BIG NEWS all up an down the street so I think I would have heard about it. But I would winder about why a chimney fire occurred twice within a reasonable length of time. Not setting their stove correctly, i.e., burning too rich a mixture and generating too much "soot"? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:29:46 +0700, John B.
wrote: But I would winder about why a chimney fire occurred twice within a reasonable length of time. Not setting their stove correctly, i.e., burning too rich a mixture and generating too much "soot"? Hooking a stove into a chimney designed for a fireplace will do it. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ |
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On 11/11/2019 11:50 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:29:46 +0700, John B. wrote: But I would winder about why a chimney fire occurred twice within a reasonable length of time. Not setting their stove correctly, i.e., burning too rich a mixture and generating too much "soot"? Hooking a stove into a chimney designed for a fireplace will do it. I agree. We used our fireplace fairly heavily for probably 20 winters, then less frequently for another 12 or so. We then had the chimney inspected. We were told it was fine, no cleaning necessary. Wood stove exhaust is supposedly a different story. IIRC, the lower air flow allows the products of combustion to condense on the relatively cold chimney lining. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Basso Loto [OT]
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:50:30 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:29:46 +0700, John B. wrote: But I would winder about why a chimney fire occurred twice within a reasonable length of time. Not setting their stove correctly, i.e., burning too rich a mixture and generating too much "soot"? Hooking a stove into a chimney designed for a fireplace will do it. Well, yes. But I was being polite and assuming that they were bright enough not to do that :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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Basso Loto [OT]
On 2019-11-11 20:29, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 06:58:31 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-09 14:57, John B. wrote: [...] In fact I can't remember any house having it's chimney cleaned so it must not have been a common happening. That is like with safety belts, grandpa's car didn't have them and he lived well into his 90's. Yet we won't drive without. I'm not saying that they don't happen, just that I never saw it happen and we lived in one neighborhood and my grandparents lived about a mile away and I think that if a chimney fire had happened in either neighborhood it would have been BIG NEWS all up an down the street so I think I would have heard about it. But I would winder about why a chimney fire occurred twice within a reasonable length of time. Not setting their stove correctly, i.e., burning too rich a mixture and generating too much "soot"? The usual, making a fire in the stove and dampering it down too much. That results in a hardcore creosote layer. They had smoke crawling out of the chimney all the time. Even after those fires they did not learn. Most people do not learn this, for whatever reason. Problem is that the incompetence on the part of people with wood stoves also results in a lot of wood burning bans that hit people who are competent in that domain. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Tuesday, 12 November 2019 10:03:28 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-11 20:29, John B. wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 06:58:31 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-09 14:57, John B. wrote: [...] In fact I can't remember any house having it's chimney cleaned so it must not have been a common happening. That is like with safety belts, grandpa's car didn't have them and he lived well into his 90's. Yet we won't drive without. I'm not saying that they don't happen, just that I never saw it happen and we lived in one neighborhood and my grandparents lived about a mile away and I think that if a chimney fire had happened in either neighborhood it would have been BIG NEWS all up an down the street so I think I would have heard about it. But I would winder about why a chimney fire occurred twice within a reasonable length of time. Not setting their stove correctly, i.e., burning too rich a mixture and generating too much "soot"? The usual, making a fire in the stove and dampering it down too much. That results in a hardcore creosote layer. They had smoke crawling out of the chimney all the time. Even after those fires they did not learn. Most people do not learn this, for whatever reason. Problem is that the incompetence on the part of people with wood stoves also results in a lot of wood burning bans that hit people who are competent in that domain.. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ There are a lot of bans in different areas or activities and those bans too resulted from the actions of a few incompetent people. Some areas ban mountain biking because MTB riders lock up a wheel which tears up a strip of ground which then leads to accelerated erosion. Or those incompetent/inconsiderate riders ride into off-limits areas which then results in a broader ban that affects all MTB riders in that area. Cheers |
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