Protecting yourself

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane:

You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.Â* Same with a
phone.Â*Â* Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars
do now.
But you canÂ’t text without looking at it.

Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and
there's probably some app that reads it.

Siri can do that as well
https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/

(and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch
the home button).

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be
there before the baby is born!"

But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there,
see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need
minute by minute reports.

Strange that in all my years I cannot remember an instance when it was
important for me to notify someone when, exactly, I would arrive. And
yes, there were innumerable instances when I was required to be at a
certain place at a certain time - "Be home at supper time or your
father will see to you!", or "If you aren't here for roll call you
will get a week of extra duty".


Sad that no one gives a **** when you show up.

In short this irrational desire to be certain that you inform the
universe of every detail of your life is just that, irrational.

You should talk to my wife.


Or perhaps not. Perhaps it is simply evidence of an overweening
arrogance that you are so important that everyone must be interested
in your minute by minute activities.

Or perhaps what’s not important for you is not not important for the rest
of the world.

--
cheers,

John B.





--
duane

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:18:54 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/5/2019 11:30 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:16:55 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/5/2019 1:47 AM, Andy wrote:
I have thought about carrying a short range cell phone jammer while biking.

I have given it careful thought. But when traveling as a passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes.

They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone.

Good luck with that.
FCC has an unkindly view of pirate transmitters.

Somewhere on the net a guy wrote that "back in the day" a driver had a
wheel, a gear shift and three pedals and one switch on the floor and
had to be at least minimally alert to handle all this. Now with cruise
control the drive has only the wheel and this can spend more time on
other things like day-dreaming, sleeping or messing about with a hand
phone.

I wonder whether he may not have been correct?


"one switch on the floor" Do you mean the older cars that had the light dimmer on the floor as a silver button sticking up and you dimmed or flashed the lights by stepping on it? As a kid I vaguely remember driving one of those new modern fancy cars that had the light dimmer by moving the turn signal back and forward. Dim the lights with your hands!!!!!!


My cars all have the light switch on the floor. I thought Mr
Slocumb meant the starter button. I haven't had a car with
that in a very long time.

Yes, but than you apparently drive what you probably refer to as
"classic cars" (and others refer to as "old bangers") but, if I
remember correctly, the old bangers that had the starter on the floor
had an actual pedal that when pressed shifted the starter motor into
engagement with the engine flywheel.

Or maybe not always, I remember that Ford flatheads had some sort of
weird starter system that was different from other autos of the same
vintage.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 1:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 1:28:42 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:

I have thought about carrying a short range cell
phone jammer while biking.

I guess you know that cell phone jammers are illegal.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/jammer-enforcement

I have given it careful thought.

Think some more.

But when traveling as a
passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes.
They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone.

It won't work the way you expect. Jamming a cell phone will cause the
phone to disconnect unexpectedly. The driver will wonder what
happened to their call in progress and begin finger poking at the
screen trying to re-establish the call. That's not a great idea while
moving.

Prior to your jammer being turned on, the driver was minimally
distracted. After jamming, the driver became actively engaged in
operating the phone and has become seriously distracted. You may
think that full time jamming only prevents initiating or receiving
phone calls. That might be true if you were moving at the same speed
as the traffic. However, there will be many cars passing you on your
bicycle, in both directions, some of which might be engaged in a legal
hands free phone conversation. Your jammer will disconnect their call
in progress, cause them to finger poke at the screen, and probably
cause an accident while they are distracted.

Also, there are now so a substantial number of cellular bands in use
(and growing with every FCC auction). Unless you plan to carry a
rather large box on your bicycle, it is unlikely that you can
efficiently jam all of them. At best, a simple jammer will take out
all the customers of one particular vendor, leaving the other vendors
bands unaffected.
http://www.gasiajammer.com/sale-8508330-new-all-in-one-16-channels-high-power-desktop-signal-jammer-70-meters-sheilding-range.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMOpxrs53YQ



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Any phone use whether hands free or not is distracted driver. i.e. dangerous driver

If not every phone is knocked out, no problemo.

They may figure out that their phone only misbehaves when driving.

:-)

Fred

My guess is that the immediate result of someone's phone stopping
would be an immediate flurry of shaking the phone and feverously
pushing buttons to get the damned thing to work. Rather than cause the
driver to pay more attention to driving I suspect that it would have
exactly the opposite effect and he/she/it's attention would be wholly
on the phone.

The only way I see this happening would be if the phone did not go dead.
Instead, the phone would disable all apps but GPS and it would begin
yelling at the motorist "Stop using the phone. WATCH THE ROAD!" over and
over.

And that's going to be very difficult to achieve.

Given that folks ignore stop signs, stop lights, "no left turn" signs
and even "school zone please drive slowly" signs. What's to say that
they would obey a mechanical voice saying "watch the road"?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:18:54 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/5/2019 11:30 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:16:55 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/5/2019 1:47 AM, Andy wrote:
I have thought about carrying a short range cell phone jammer while biking.

I have given it careful thought. But when traveling as a passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes.

They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone.

Good luck with that.
FCC has an unkindly view of pirate transmitters.

Somewhere on the net a guy wrote that "back in the day" a driver had a
wheel, a gear shift and three pedals and one switch on the floor and
had to be at least minimally alert to handle all this. Now with cruise
control the drive has only the wheel and this can spend more time on
other things like day-dreaming, sleeping or messing about with a hand
phone.

I wonder whether he may not have been correct?


"one switch on the floor" Do you mean the older cars that had the light dimmer on the floor as a silver button sticking up and you dimmed or flashed the lights by stepping on it? As a kid I vaguely remember driving one of those new modern fancy cars that had the light dimmer by moving the turn signal back and forward. Dim the lights with your hands!!!!!!


My cars all have the light switch on the floor. I thought Mr
Slocumb meant the starter button. I haven't had a car with
that in a very long time.

Yes, but than you apparently drive what you probably refer to as
"classic cars" (and others refer to as "old bangers") but, if I
remember correctly, the old bangers that had the starter on the floor
had an actual pedal that when pressed shifted the starter motor into
engagement with the engine flywheel.

Or maybe not always, I remember that Ford flatheads had some sort of
weird starter system that was different from other autos of the same
vintage.
--
cheers,

John B.

Must have been nice when they moved the starter from the outside front of the car to the interior of the car.

Cheers

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane:

You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.* Same with a
phone.** Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars
do now.
But you can?t text without looking at it.

Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and
there's probably some app that reads it.

Siri can do that as well
https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/

(and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch
the home button).

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.* Needed a few repetitions to get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be
there before the baby is born!"

But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there,
see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need
minute by minute reports.

Strange that in all my years I cannot remember an instance when it was
important for me to notify someone when, exactly, I would arrive. And
yes, there were innumerable instances when I was required to be at a
certain place at a certain time - "Be home at supper time or your
father will see to you!", or "If you aren't here for roll call you
will get a week of extra duty".


Sad that no one gives a **** when you show up.

In short this irrational desire to be certain that you inform the
universe of every detail of your life is just that, irrational.

You should talk to my wife.


Or perhaps not. Perhaps it is simply evidence of an overweening
arrogance that you are so important that everyone must be interested
in your minute by minute activities.

Or perhaps what’s not important for you is not not important for the rest
of the world.

And when did all this become so important? And why now when just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:25:49 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:18:54 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/5/2019 11:30 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:16:55 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/5/2019 1:47 AM, Andy wrote:
I have thought about carrying a short range cell phone jammer while biking.

I have given it careful thought. But when traveling as a passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes.

They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone.

Good luck with that.
FCC has an unkindly view of pirate transmitters.

Somewhere on the net a guy wrote that "back in the day" a driver had a
wheel, a gear shift and three pedals and one switch on the floor and
had to be at least minimally alert to handle all this. Now with cruise
control the drive has only the wheel and this can spend more time on
other things like day-dreaming, sleeping or messing about with a hand
phone.

I wonder whether he may not have been correct?


"one switch on the floor" Do you mean the older cars that had the light dimmer on the floor as a silver button sticking up and you dimmed or flashed the lights by stepping on it? As a kid I vaguely remember driving one of those new modern fancy cars that had the light dimmer by moving the turn signal back and forward. Dim the lights with your hands!!!!!!


My cars all have the light switch on the floor. I thought Mr
Slocumb meant the starter button. I haven't had a car with
that in a very long time.

Yes, but than you apparently drive what you probably refer to as
"classic cars" (and others refer to as "old bangers") but, if I
remember correctly, the old bangers that had the starter on the floor
had an actual pedal that when pressed shifted the starter motor into
engagement with the engine flywheel.

Or maybe not always, I remember that Ford flatheads had some sort of
weird starter system that was different from other autos of the same
vintage.
--
cheers,

John B.

Must have been nice when they moved the starter from the outside front of the car to the interior of the car.

Cheers

Yes it was :-) Although when the battery got weak one still had to
crank the car to get it started :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On 6/6/2019 7:12 PM, Duane wrote:
John B. wrote:

In short this irrational desire to be certain that you inform the
universe of every detail of your life is just that, irrational.

You should talk to my wife.

She keeps you on a short leash, eh?


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/6/2019 7:23 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 1:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 1:28:42 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:

I have thought about carrying a short range cell
phone jammer while biking.

I guess you know that cell phone jammers are illegal.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/jammer-enforcement

I have given it careful thought.

Think some more.

But when traveling as a
passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes.
They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone.

It won't work the way you expect. Jamming a cell phone will cause the
phone to disconnect unexpectedly. The driver will wonder what
happened to their call in progress and begin finger poking at the
screen trying to re-establish the call. That's not a great idea while
moving.

Prior to your jammer being turned on, the driver was minimally
distracted. After jamming, the driver became actively engaged in
operating the phone and has become seriously distracted. You may
think that full time jamming only prevents initiating or receiving
phone calls. That might be true if you were moving at the same speed
as the traffic. However, there will be many cars passing you on your
bicycle, in both directions, some of which might be engaged in a legal
hands free phone conversation. Your jammer will disconnect their call
in progress, cause them to finger poke at the screen, and probably
cause an accident while they are distracted.

Also, there are now so a substantial number of cellular bands in use
(and growing with every FCC auction). Unless you plan to carry a
rather large box on your bicycle, it is unlikely that you can
efficiently jam all of them. At best, a simple jammer will take out
all the customers of one particular vendor, leaving the other vendors
bands unaffected.
http://www.gasiajammer.com/sale-8508330-new-all-in-one-16-channels-high-power-desktop-signal-jammer-70-meters-sheilding-range.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMOpxrs53YQ



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Any phone use whether hands free or not is distracted driver. i.e. dangerous driver

If not every phone is knocked out, no problemo.

They may figure out that their phone only misbehaves when driving.

:-)

Fred

My guess is that the immediate result of someone's phone stopping
would be an immediate flurry of shaking the phone and feverously
pushing buttons to get the damned thing to work. Rather than cause the
driver to pay more attention to driving I suspect that it would have
exactly the opposite effect and he/she/it's attention would be wholly
on the phone.

The only way I see this happening would be if the phone did not go dead.
Instead, the phone would disable all apps but GPS and it would begin
yelling at the motorist "Stop using the phone. WATCH THE ROAD!" over and
over.

And that's going to be very difficult to achieve.

Given that folks ignore stop signs, stop lights, "no left turn" signs
and even "school zone please drive slowly" signs. What's to say that
they would obey a mechanical voice saying "watch the road"?

The main benefit would be the part about disabling everything except
GPS. The "watch the road" message would just be a small bonus, plus a
reminder that the sudden lack of function was a feature, not a bug.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane:

You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.Â* Same with a
phone.Â*Â* Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars
do now.
But you can?t text without looking at it.

Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and
there's probably some app that reads it.

Siri can do that as well
https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/

(and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch
the home button).

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be
there before the baby is born!"

But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there,
see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need
minute by minute reports.

Strange that in all my years I cannot remember an instance when it was
important for me to notify someone when, exactly, I would arrive. And
yes, there were innumerable instances when I was required to be at a
certain place at a certain time - "Be home at supper time or your
father will see to you!", or "If you aren't here for roll call you
will get a week of extra duty".


Sad that no one gives a **** when you show up.

In short this irrational desire to be certain that you inform the
universe of every detail of your life is just that, irrational.

You should talk to my wife.


Or perhaps not. Perhaps it is simply evidence of an overweening
arrogance that you are so important that everyone must be interested
in your minute by minute activities.

Or perhaps what’s not important for you is not not important for the rest
of the world.

And when did all this become so important? And why now when just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?
--
cheers,

John B.


Who said anything about 3 short minutes? Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?

Am 07.06.2019 um 14:03 schrieb Duane:
On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get
the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

And when did all this become so important? And why now whenÂ* just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?

Who said anything about 3 short minutes?Â* Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?

The real situation was as follows: We (two dads a coaches) were taking
some kids to a "First Lego League" regional competition, leaving home
early in the morning; we had only a vague idea how long the competition
would run.

Perfect communication would have been to text the wife before getting
into the car for the way back. As the husband forgot to do so, the wife
texted short before 8pm "When are you coming home?", and the husband
answered "Almost home. I'll drop M. off in Dossenheim and be home in 30
- 60 mins".