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  #51  
Old June 7th 19, 02:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_2_]
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On 07/06/2019 8:57 a.m., Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.06.2019 um 14:03 schrieb Duane:
On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:


I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to
get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?


And when did all this become so important? And why now whenÂ* just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?


Who said anything about 3 short minutes?Â* Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?


The real situation was as follows: We (two dads a coaches) were taking
some kids to a "First Lego League" regional competition, leaving home
early in the morning; we had only a vague idea how long the competition
would run.

Perfect communication would have been to text the wife before getting
into the car for the way back.Â* As the husband forgot to do so, the wife
texted short before 8pm "When are you coming home?", and the husband
answered "Almost home. I'll drop M. off in Dossenheim and be home in 30
- 60 mins".


Typical for me is "There's an accident on the 401 and traffic is
blocked. I'm still in if you guys can wait for me. If not, see you
next ride."

No idea why the luddites come out whenever anything relatively new is
mentioned.
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Old June 7th 19, 06:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

How do you think that you can have an accelerometer on
a device that can be held and pointed in all three direction?


Vector sum of the accelerations in all 3 axes should give an
indication of motion.
"Measuring Displacements Using Accelerometers"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak7dvseD05I
https://roboroblog.wordpress.com/2016/08/01/measuring-displacement-using-accelerometers-part-1-calculating-gravity-vectors/
However, I mentioned using GPS and accleromter input to detect motion.
The GPS would not need to be turned on all the time to measure
velocity. It could sample the location every few seconds to see if
the phone has moved location. There are also magnetometers and simple
pickup coils that can be used to detect motion through the earths
magnetic field.

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  #53  
Old June 7th 19, 07:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 9:23:30 AM UTC-4, duane wrote:
On 07/06/2019 8:57 a.m., Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.06.2019 um 14:03 schrieb Duane:
On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:


I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to
get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?


And when did all this become so important? And why now whenÂ* just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?

Who said anything about 3 short minutes?Â* Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?


The real situation was as follows: We (two dads a coaches) were taking
some kids to a "First Lego League" regional competition, leaving home
early in the morning; we had only a vague idea how long the competition
would run.

Perfect communication would have been to text the wife before getting
into the car for the way back.Â* As the husband forgot to do so, the wife
texted short before 8pm "When are you coming home?", and the husband
answered "Almost home. I'll drop M. off in Dossenheim and be home in 30
- 60 mins".


Typical for me is "There's an accident on the 401 and traffic is
blocked. I'm still in if you guys can wait for me. If not, see you
next ride."

No idea why the luddites come out whenever anything relatively new is
mentioned.


If they don't like them so much why don't they just ditch the cell phone entirely instead of complaining about how others use them? After all, it's not really that many years ago that there were no cell phones and you had to use a land line to call anyone.

Cheers
  #54  
Old June 7th 19, 09:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 11:59:18 AM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 9:23:30 AM UTC-4, duane wrote:
On 07/06/2019 8:57 a.m., Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.06.2019 um 14:03 schrieb Duane:
On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to
get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

And when did all this become so important? And why now whenÂ* just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?

Who said anything about 3 short minutes?Â* Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?

The real situation was as follows: We (two dads a coaches) were taking
some kids to a "First Lego League" regional competition, leaving home
early in the morning; we had only a vague idea how long the competition
would run.

Perfect communication would have been to text the wife before getting
into the car for the way back.Â* As the husband forgot to do so, the wife
texted short before 8pm "When are you coming home?", and the husband
answered "Almost home. I'll drop M. off in Dossenheim and be home in 30
- 60 mins".


Typical for me is "There's an accident on the 401 and traffic is
blocked. I'm still in if you guys can wait for me. If not, see you
next ride."

No idea why the luddites come out whenever anything relatively new is
mentioned.


If they don't like them so much why don't they just ditch the cell phone entirely instead of complaining about how others use them? After all, it's not really that many years ago that there were no cell phones and you had to use a land line to call anyone.


Try finding a pay phone. I have a cell phone but it has not become a way of life or an undue distraction. There is also a difference between being a Luddite and being po-lite. I don't yak on my phone in public places or burden people with dopey texts and pictures of my dinner entree. Nothing I do or eat is worthy of immediate broadcast. I do let people know when I'm going to be late, but usually by more than three minutes.

-- Jay Beattie.
  #55  
Old June 7th 19, 09:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 9:23:30 AM UTC-4, duane wrote:
On 07/06/2019 8:57 a.m., Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.06.2019 um 14:03 schrieb Duane:
On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to
get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

And when did all this become so important? And why now whenÂ* just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?

Who said anything about 3 short minutes?Â* Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?

The real situation was as follows: We (two dads a coaches) were taking
some kids to a "First Lego League" regional competition, leaving home
early in the morning; we had only a vague idea how long the competition
would run.

Perfect communication would have been to text the wife before getting
into the car for the way back.Â* As the husband forgot to do so, the wife
texted short before 8pm "When are you coming home?", and the husband
answered "Almost home. I'll drop M. off in Dossenheim and be home in 30
- 60 mins".


Typical for me is "There's an accident on the 401 and traffic is
blocked. I'm still in if you guys can wait for me. If not, see you
next ride."

No idea why the luddites come out whenever anything relatively new is
mentioned.


Get a grip, please. I don't recall anyone complaining about "I'll be half an hour
late. But I did say I don't see the sense of "I'll be there in five minutes"
when there's not emergency going on.

Jay didn't see the sense of "I'm buying lettuce right now," and I agree. I can't
imagine the insecurity inherent in having to give minute by minute reports of
every small activity.

And regarding the original issue of the post, I _don't_ believe that all the
dolts texting while they drive are 30 minutes delayed to an emergency situation.
I think it's FAR more likely that they're talking about the lettuce they just
bought, or something roughly that important.

If they don't like them so much why don't they just ditch the cell phone entirely instead of complaining about how others use them?


I don't think the dislike is about the tool. It's about the behavior.

A person can like cars, but not like motorists buzzing cyclists. A person can
like guns, but not like people going to their workplace and shooting a dozen
co-workers. A person can like cell phones but not like texting while driving,
or yammering loud and long in otherwise quiet public places.

- Frank Krygowski
  #56  
Old June 7th 19, 11:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 4:02:50 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 11:59:18 AM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 9:23:30 AM UTC-4, duane wrote:
On 07/06/2019 8:57 a.m., Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.06.2019 um 14:03 schrieb Duane:
On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to
get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

And when did all this become so important? And why now whenÂ* just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?

Who said anything about 3 short minutes?Â* Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?

The real situation was as follows: We (two dads a coaches) were taking
some kids to a "First Lego League" regional competition, leaving home
early in the morning; we had only a vague idea how long the competition
would run.

Perfect communication would have been to text the wife before getting
into the car for the way back.Â* As the husband forgot to do so, the wife
texted short before 8pm "When are you coming home?", and the husband
answered "Almost home. I'll drop M. off in Dossenheim and be home in 30
- 60 mins".

Typical for me is "There's an accident on the 401 and traffic is
blocked. I'm still in if you guys can wait for me. If not, see you
next ride."

No idea why the luddites come out whenever anything relatively new is
mentioned.


If they don't like them so much why don't they just ditch the cell phone entirely instead of complaining about how others use them? After all, it's not really that many years ago that there were no cell phones and you had to use a land line to call anyone.


Try finding a pay phone. I have a cell phone but it has not become a way of life or an undue distraction. There is also a difference between being a Luddite and being po-lite. I don't yak on my phone in public places or burden people with dopey texts and pictures of my dinner entree. Nothing I do or eat is worthy of immediate broadcast. I do let people know when I'm going to be late, but usually by more than three minutes.

-- Jay Beattie.


I think that the preponderance of cell phones is a major reason why there are so few pay phones left.

I remember stopping off at a large very well known coffee place in St. George, Ontario, Canada and seeing perhaps 20 people sitting around a large table (or 2 tables put together) and EVERY SINGLE person at that table was yakking/texting or otherwise engaged with their cellphone. People get together to ext? Or are they sharing things?

I've seen people call or text a family member from a store so that they could tell them about some in-store special and ask if they wanted any of it.

As far as using a cellphone to tell someone you'll be there in a few minutes; that can be very useful when you're going to be waiting outside for them.. My friends will often text or call me within a few minutes of their arrival so that I can have my bike and myself ready and waiting for them when they pull into the apartment building driveway. It saves time.

I have a flip-phone that a family member got me for emergencies. It's all I need or want. Others might want all the latest bells and whistles because those are useful to them.

Cheers
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Old June 7th 19, 11:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:03:59 -0400, Duane
wrote:

On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane:

You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.* Same with a
phone.** Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars
do now.
But you can?t text without looking at it.

Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and
there's probably some app that reads it.

Siri can do that as well
https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/

(and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch
the home button).

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.* Needed a few repetitions to get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be
there before the baby is born!"

But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there,
see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need
minute by minute reports.

Strange that in all my years I cannot remember an instance when it was
important for me to notify someone when, exactly, I would arrive. And
yes, there were innumerable instances when I was required to be at a
certain place at a certain time - "Be home at supper time or your
father will see to you!", or "If you aren't here for roll call you
will get a week of extra duty".


Sad that no one gives a **** when you show up.

In short this irrational desire to be certain that you inform the
universe of every detail of your life is just that, irrational.

You should talk to my wife.


Or perhaps not. Perhaps it is simply evidence of an overweening
arrogance that you are so important that everyone must be interested
in your minute by minute activities.

Or perhaps what’s not important for you is not not important for the rest
of the world.

And when did all this become so important? And why now when just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?
--
cheers,

John B.


Who said anything about 3 short minutes? Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?


Ah, you didn't read the part where I said " I cannot remember an
instance when it was important for me to notify someone when,
exactly, I would arrive"? And now I'm emphasizing the statement.
--
cheers,

John B.

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Old June 7th 19, 11:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 12:43:47 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 1:28:42 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:

I have thought about carrying a short range cell
phone jammer while biking.

I guess you know that cell phone jammers are illegal.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/jammer-enforcement

I have given it careful thought.

Think some more.

But when traveling as a
passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes.
They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone.

It won't work the way you expect. Jamming a cell phone will cause the
phone to disconnect unexpectedly. The driver will wonder what
happened to their call in progress and begin finger poking at the
screen trying to re-establish the call. That's not a great idea while
moving.

Prior to your jammer being turned on, the driver was minimally
distracted. After jamming, the driver became actively engaged in
operating the phone and has become seriously distracted. You may
think that full time jamming only prevents initiating or receiving
phone calls. That might be true if you were moving at the same speed
as the traffic. However, there will be many cars passing you on your
bicycle, in both directions, some of which might be engaged in a legal
hands free phone conversation. Your jammer will disconnect their call
in progress, cause them to finger poke at the screen, and probably
cause an accident while they are distracted.

Also, there are now so a substantial number of cellular bands in use
(and growing with every FCC auction). Unless you plan to carry a
rather large box on your bicycle, it is unlikely that you can
efficiently jam all of them. At best, a simple jammer will take out
all the customers of one particular vendor, leaving the other vendors
bands unaffected.
http://www.gasiajammer.com/sale-8508330-new-all-in-one-16-channels-high-power-desktop-signal-jammer-70-meters-sheilding-range.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMOpxrs53YQ



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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


Any phone use whether hands free or not is distracted driver. i.e. dangerous driver

If not every phone is knocked out, no problemo.

They may figure out that their phone only misbehaves when driving.

:-)

Fred


My guess is that the immediate result of someone's phone stopping
would be an immediate flurry of shaking the phone and feverously
pushing buttons to get the damned thing to work. Rather than cause the
driver to pay more attention to driving I suspect that it would have
exactly the opposite effect and he/she/it's attention would be wholly
on the phone.

In fact we had a crash a few years ago, for a somewhat similar reason,
where a pickup drove straight into the rear of two cyclists and killed
them both. The pickup driver said that he had dropped his phone and
was bending down to pick it up and didn't see the bicycles.

For any that are interested the driver is now serving a prison term
for causing a highway death.
--
cheers,

John B.


You made my point. Driving while using phone kills.

I am waiting for a law that would incarcerate drivers who have accidents while using the phone.

Cuff and stuff em.

Andy
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Old June 8th 19, 12:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 8:05:52 AM UTC-5, Radey Shouman wrote:
Jeff Liebermann writes:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 06:32:57 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Somewhere on the net a guy wrote that "back in the day" a driver had a
wheel, a gear shift and three pedals and one switch on the floor and
had to be at least minimally alert to handle all this. Now with cruise
control the drive has only the wheel and this can spend more time on
other things like day-dreaming, sleeping or messing about with a hand
phone.

I wonder whether he may not have been correct?


Does that decode into; I wonder whether he may have been incorrect?

Something else to wonder about is why public safety, transportation
services, ham radio, CB, and other 2way radio users have been driving
around talking on their radios for about a century without much of a
problem. I didn't see any mention of distracted driving until the
advent of cell phones (and LCD touch screens). So, what's the
difference between cell phones and 2way radio?

Cell phones are full duplex while mobile radios are half duplex. Full
duplex means the one talk and hear at the same time. Half duplex
means the radio can transmit or receive but not both at the same time.
The human brain can multitask two tasks at the same time with minimal
confusion (not zero confusion). It can deal with operating the
vehicle while listening to the radio. Or, it can deal with operating
the vehicle while talking on the radio. However, it cannot deal with
operating the vehicle while talking and listening at the same time.
Three tasks are too much to handle.

To fix the problem, switch the cell phone from full duplex to half
duplex and require the driver to depress a PTT (push to talk) switch
while talking. This has the added bonus of giving the driver a rest
while he listens to whatever the other party is saying, much like the
common AM/FM/CD/USB player. In effect, make the car kit cell phone
operate like a 2way radio and it might reduce distracted driving
accidents. It won't reduce them to zero, but it will be a big help.


Most of the drivers I see weaving on the roads today are not *talking*
on their phones at all. They're texting, or maybe surfing the web.


I ride with a friend who uses hands free.

He drifts in his lane.

When I call someone, I ask if they are driving.

If they are, I ask them to call me when they are not driving.

Andy
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Old June 8th 19, 12:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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John B. wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:03:59 -0400, Duane
wrote:

On 06/06/2019 8:54 p.m., John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 23:12:18 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane:

You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.* Same with a
phone.** Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars
do now.
But you can?t text without looking at it.

Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and
there's probably some app that reads it.

Siri can do that as well
https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/

(and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch
the home button).

I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his
wife and sent an answer via Siri.* Needed a few repetitions to get the
right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated
arrival time.

And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time?

I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be
there before the baby is born!"

But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there,
see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need
minute by minute reports.

Strange that in all my years I cannot remember an instance when it was
important for me to notify someone when, exactly, I would arrive. And
yes, there were innumerable instances when I was required to be at a
certain place at a certain time - "Be home at supper time or your
father will see to you!", or "If you aren't here for roll call you
will get a week of extra duty".


Sad that no one gives a **** when you show up.

In short this irrational desire to be certain that you inform the
universe of every detail of your life is just that, irrational.

You should talk to my wife.


Or perhaps not. Perhaps it is simply evidence of an overweening
arrogance that you are so important that everyone must be interested
in your minute by minute activities.

Or perhaps what’s not important for you is not not important for the rest
of the world.

And when did all this become so important? And why now when just a
few short years ago no one was frantically advising the world that
they would arrive in just three short minutes? Or perhaps 2 minutes
and 59 seconds?
--
cheers,

John B.


Who said anything about 3 short minutes? Maybe you're replying to
Frank's straw man?


Ah, you didn't read the part where I said " I cannot remember an
instance when it was important for me to notify someone when,
exactly, I would arrive"? And now I'm emphasizing the statement.
--
cheers,

John B.



I read it but had no idea why you mentioned it.

--
duane
 




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