Armstrong In Deep Trouble

BL wrote:
Doubtful that Simeoni will be anything more than a tourist visiting
Armstrong's trial. Apples vs. oranges Ilian

Jimmy July wrote:
Tell us more of your hatred of oranges...

You sound just like a girl I know called Eliza. You can try and chat her
up here http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3.

On Jun 22, 10:49*pm, BL wrote:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/88...investigation-...

Longo should also be indicted for stealing from children:
http://www.lexpress.fr/actualites/1/...l_1005368.html

-ilan

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent...

Perhaps Hamilton should have got a restraining order.

On 6/23/2011 12:38 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
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On 6/22/2011 5:29 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Jun 22, 1:49 pm, wrote:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/88...investigation-...

If there are impartial third parties that heard LA threaten Tyler,
then LA is definitely in trouble. If there are videotapes that show
LA
acting in a threatening manner towards Tyler, or there are impartial
third parties that saw him act threateningly, then LA is definitely
in
trouble. However, if it just comes down to Tyler's word against LA's
word, I doubt anything will happen - and that's what it's looking
like
right now. The videotapes don't seem to exist, and at least in that
article, it doesn't seem anyone other than Tyler and Lance actually
heard their conversation.

It has already been reported that Armstrong physically stopped
Hamilton. That lends credibility to Hamilton's allegations. If you
bothered to read the article, you'd have read that tampering charges
are often brought with only the witness' statement of what happened.

Bringing charges against someone is in itself a sort of "tampering with
justice" is it not? Aren't charges often brought without any intent or
belief anything will come of them, because it serves the purpose of
intimidating or putting someone on notice?

I suggest that you also take a good look at the description of the
meeting on the Outside reporter's blog.

Which can be summed up, in the blogger's own words, thusly-

"And, despite the twittosphere's hope for more details, that's pretty
much where the story ends: two guys who don't feel very kindly toward
one another ran into each other at a bar. "I was rattled," Hamilton told
me. "I still am.""

Read into that what you wish, but to many, it sounds like the author,
obviously a fan or friend of Tyler, didn't see this as being much more
than a moment of awkwardness.


It sounds like the author told what he observed. There's a lot more to
this than just his observations.

The fact that the restaurant owner has admitted giving Armstrong
advance warning of Hamilton's presence is also a major problem for
Armstrong as his presence and physical stopping of Hamilton indicates
intent to intimidate.

There's something a bit odd about the whole coincidence thing. The
article says that Tyler thought Lance was out of town, and thus wouldn't
run into him in the restaurant. Huh? Aspen is small but not tiny; there
are a number of places to eat, and the chances of randomly running into
Lance in one is quite small. On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent... well first of all,
it's odd that that's where Tyler would choose to eat, and second... I
don't even know where to go with the second point. It just smells fishy.
Like Tyler was pretending to be the alpha dog in Lance's territory while
Lance was away.

Good fiction writing on your part. The reality is that Hamilton was
there as part of a gig with Outside Magazine. It appears likely that
Armstrong, having been tipped off to Hamilton's presence in the eatery,
proceeded to the place for a confrontation. The FBI will have access to
texts, email and perhaps even voice communications between the
restaurant owner and others. That the US Attorney has sent a letter
asking for Armstrong's side of the matter is telling. Armstrong is
screwed if he lies and likely screwed if he tells the truth. I'll bet
he refused to comment to the US Attorney which also screws him.



It is being reported elsewhere the the US Attorney has, in a letter to
Armstrong's counsel, asked for Armstrong to relate his side of the
encounter. Lance truly screwed himself.

And why wouldn't he? With all the discussion flying around, including
people talking about charges of witness tampering (has anyone associated
with the case actually brought this up?), of course you'd want to get a
handle on it. And of course that would mean talking with both parties
involved.


ROTFL!! Oh, the US Attorney has a handle on it without any comment from
Armstrong. Asking for Armstrong to comment just makes squeezes the
remaining ball tighter.


Unless Tyler wants to get a restraining order, I don't see this going
anywhere. A restraining order (if appropriate?) would keep this in the
press for some time, and would make Lance a sort of "convicted"
(although not really) bully. That would be bad for Lance. But otherwise,
this is just a distraction from the main event, and that probably works
in Lance's favor. Anything that casts Lance in a bad light personally
plays into his defense that this is all about emotion and not facts.

This is likely to be a significant part of the main event. BTW,
Hamilton doesn't need a restraining order. Title 18 of the US Code
suffices as Lance has no doubt been advised by counsel.


--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On 6/23/2011 7:00 AM, Simply Fred wrote:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent...

Perhaps Hamilton should have got a restraining order.
Funny!
+++++++++++++++++++

On Jun 22, 11:38*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:

There's something a bit odd about the whole coincidence thing. The
article says that Tyler thought Lance was out of town, and thus wouldn't
run into him in the restaurant. Huh? Aspen is small but not tiny; there
are a number of places to eat, and the chances of randomly running into
Lance in one is quite small. On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent... well first of all,
it's odd that that's where Tyler would choose to eat, and second... I
don't even know where to go with the second point. It just smells fishy.

Put-up job by Outside magazine?

Andy Coggan

On Jun 23, 8:47*am, Andy Coggan wrote:
On Jun 22, 11:38*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:

There's something a bit odd about the whole coincidence thing. The
article says that Tyler thought Lance was out of town, and thus wouldn't
run into him in the restaurant. Huh? Aspen is small but not tiny; there
are a number of places to eat, and the chances of randomly running into
Lance in one is quite small. On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent... well first of all,
it's odd that that's where Tyler would choose to eat, and second... I
don't even know where to go with the second point. It just smells fishy..

Put-up job by Outside magazine?

That's the general gist of it. People walk their dogs and have them
**** on someone's lawn they don't like. If it increased sales there'd
be a lot more of it.

It's curious that certain accounts are ignored by the OCD contingent
so they can remain focused on what they want to obsess about - and by
that I mean self-flagellate. There were other witnesses that said
Lance never left his bar stool, and that Tyler went in for a bro-hug
and got rebuffed. Ever hear of an intimidated person going closer to
seek physical contact?

R

On 6/23/2011 8:47 AM, Andy Coggan wrote:
On Jun 22, 11:38 pm, "Mike
wrote:

There's something a bit odd about the whole coincidence thing. The
article says that Tyler thought Lance was out of town, and thus wouldn't
run into him in the restaurant. Huh? Aspen is small but not tiny; there
are a number of places to eat, and the chances of randomly running into
Lance in one is quite small. On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent... well first of all,
it's odd that that's where Tyler would choose to eat, and second... I
don't even know where to go with the second point. It just smells fishy.

Put-up job by Outside magazine?

Andy Coggan
Care to elaborate with facts to substantiate that speculative comment? I
think you've been reading Polish and friends over on The Clinic.
Infectious that. LOL!!

The Outside event and Hamilton's involvement were well known in advance.
Unless you're saying that Outside grabbed Armstrong off the street, made
him sit at the bar and forced him to put out his arm to block Hamilton's
path. Armstrong will have to take the responsibility for HIS actions.

Spoken with any Radio Shack trainers lately, Andy?

On 6/23/2011 9:03 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:47 am, Andy wrote:
On Jun 22, 11:38 pm, "Mike
wrote:

There's something a bit odd about the whole coincidence thing. The
article says that Tyler thought Lance was out of town, and thus wouldn't
run into him in the restaurant. Huh? Aspen is small but not tiny; there
are a number of places to eat, and the chances of randomly running into
Lance in one is quite small. On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent... well first of all,
it's odd that that's where Tyler would choose to eat, and second... I
don't even know where to go with the second point. It just smells fishy.

Put-up job by Outside magazine?

That's the general gist of it. People walk their dogs and have them
**** on someone's lawn they don't like. If it increased sales there'd
be a lot more of it.

It's curious that certain accounts are ignored by the OCD contingent
so they can remain focused on what they want to obsess about - and by
that I mean self-flagellate. There were other witnesses that said
Lance never left his bar stool, and that Tyler went in for a bro-hug
and got rebuffed. Ever hear of an intimidated person going closer to
seek physical contact?

R
Keep rolling, Fanboy. ROTFL!!!!

On Jun 23, 10:17*am, BL wrote:
On 6/23/2011 8:47 AM, Andy Coggan wrote: On Jun 22, 11:38 pm, "Mike
wrote:

There's something a bit odd about the whole coincidence thing. The
article says that Tyler thought Lance was out of town, and thus wouldn't
run into him in the restaurant. Huh? Aspen is small but not tiny; there
are a number of places to eat, and the chances of randomly running into
Lance in one is quite small. On the other hand, the odds of running into
Lance in a restraint which he is known to frequent... well first of all,
it's odd that that's where Tyler would choose to eat, and second... I
don't even know where to go with the second point. It just smells fishy.

Put-up job by Outside magazine?

Andy Coggan

Care to elaborate with facts to substantiate that speculative comment? I
think you've been reading Polish and friends over on The Clinic.
Infectious that. LOL!!

The Outside event and Hamilton's involvement were well known in advance.
Unless you're saying that Outside grabbed Armstrong off the street, made
him sit at the bar and forced him to put out his arm to block Hamilton's
path. Armstrong will have to take the responsibility for HIS actions.

Spoken with any Radio Shack trainers lately, Andy?

It was merely a possibility that had occurred to me, and I meant
Hamilton's presence in Aspen in general, not the encounter in the bar.
After all, it is hard to imagine too many people paying good money to
ride with Hamilton, so why Outside would bother to bring him to Aspen
in the first place is a bit beyond me. As well, Outside is also the
magazine that ran the pic of Armstrong labeled Pharmstrong on the
cover. It therefore would not surprise me to learn that rather than
merely reporting some news, they tried to orchestrate the creation of
some (and quite successfully at that).

As for Radio Shack trainers, I have not spoken to Allen Lim since
before his association with Landis. I have spoken to the top
physiologist at CTS more recently, but not in the last year or so.

Andy Coggan