Wuhan Kung Flu by age

Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual mindless RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter matter in a couple of sentences:

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London -- whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. It’s no worse than the 2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those in their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute
Don't shoot the piano player

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:16:10 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on
which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the
dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough
unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age
distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to
your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual mindless
RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp.../sph/ide/gida-
fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter
matter in a couple of sentences:

Err, nope, just a pile of ranting until you finally get to this;

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London --
whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying
medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the
seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. It’s no worse than the
2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

Which is wrong. What you have to keep in mind is that the Imperial
College projections is based on a subset of Chinese data. Those who
understand the problems in any subset of data will know that this
introduces the chance of selecting a subset biased away from the real
picture.

Also, Australian data is now reporting a greater than expected percentage
of 20-40s are having significant infections.

A reconcilliatin migt be perhaps the Chinese population first hit was
composed of a large percentage of elderly citizen and perhaps the
Australian people who were infected overseas were predominantl young to
middle age.

FWIW, most infections in Australia now can not be traced back to an
overseas source.


"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those in
their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

This just diverts from the real message is that based on all the
assumptions by Imperial College, based on a pile of population dynamic
research papers, that thew Globe is in for months of overload medical
services leading to many deaths of all ages.

The Imperial College paper used Rzero from 2.2-2.4 so they are saying
that it is already bad, even if all the considered control methods are
introduced. Prepare for 18(?) months of recurring cycles.


From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute Don't shoot the piano player

You certainly do not deserve any respect for posting the crap from Ann
Coulter. If your head wasn't panicking and seeing Peter Howard
everywhere, you shoud have picked up the points I made.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 05:52:32 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:16:10 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on
which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the
dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough
unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age
distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to
your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual mindless
RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp.../sph/ide/gida-
fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter
matter in a couple of sentences:

Err, nope, just a pile of ranting until you finally get to this;

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London --
whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying
medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the
seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. It’s no worse than the
2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

Which is wrong. What you have to keep in mind is that the Imperial
College projections is based on a subset of Chinese data. Those who
understand the problems in any subset of data will know that this
introduces the chance of selecting a subset biased away from the real
picture.

Also, Australian data is now reporting a greater than expected percentage
of 20-40s are having significant infections.

A reconcilliatin migt be perhaps the Chinese population first hit was
composed of a large percentage of elderly citizen and perhaps the
Australian people who were infected overseas were predominantl young to
middle age.

FWIW, most infections in Australia now can not be traced back to an
overseas source.


"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those in
their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

This just diverts from the real message is that based on all the
assumptions by Imperial College, based on a pile of population dynamic
research papers, that thew Globe is in for months of overload medical
services leading to many deaths of all ages.

The Imperial College paper used Rzero from 2.2-2.4 so they are saying
that it is already bad, even if all the considered control methods are
introduced. Prepare for 18(?) months of recurring cycles.


From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute Don't shoot the piano player

You certainly do not deserve any respect for posting the crap from Ann
Coulter. If your head wasn't panicking and seeing Peter Howard
everywhere, you shoud have picked up the points I made.

For whatever it is worth, there is a considerable amount of
information on a site titles ""Worldometer"
https://www.worldometers.info/
that breaks down the coronavirus sickness into all sorts of
categories. I can't certify the accuracy of the site other then to say
that cases I reported here in Thailand seem to be reported accurately.

As for death by age, yes the elderly do die more frequently however
looking at a death chart based on physical condition I see that 26%
of all deaths are 60 years old, or older but that 30% of all deaths
have a pre-existing medical condition such as Cardiovascular disease,
Diabetes, Chronic respiratory disease or Hypertension.
Is old age and a pre-existing conditions related?

Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:21:31 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 05:52:32 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:16:10 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on
which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the
dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough
unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age
distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to
your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual
mindless RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...icine/sph/ide/
gida-
fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter
matter in a couple of sentences:

Err, nope, just a pile of ranting until you finally get to this;

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London --
whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying
medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the
seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. ItÂ’s no worse than the
2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

Which is wrong. What you have to keep in mind is that the Imperial
College projections is based on a subset of Chinese data. Those who
understand the problems in any subset of data will know that this
introduces the chance of selecting a subset biased away from the real
picture.

Also, Australian data is now reporting a greater than expected
percentage of 20-40s are having significant infections.

A reconcilliatin migt be perhaps the Chinese population first hit was
composed of a large percentage of elderly citizen and perhaps the
Australian people who were infected overseas were predominantl young to
middle age.

FWIW, most infections in Australia now can not be traced back to an
overseas source.


"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those
in their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

This just diverts from the real message is that based on all the
assumptions by Imperial College, based on a pile of population dynamic
research papers, that thew Globe is in for months of overload medical
services leading to many deaths of all ages.

The Imperial College paper used Rzero from 2.2-2.4 so they are saying
that it is already bad, even if all the considered control methods are
introduced. Prepare for 18(?) months of recurring cycles.


From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute Don't shoot the piano player

You certainly do not deserve any respect for posting the crap from Ann
Coulter. If your head wasn't panicking and seeing Peter Howard
everywhere, you shoud have picked up the points I made.

For whatever it is worth, there is a considerable amount of information
on a site titles ""Worldometer" https://www.worldometers.info/
thanks. Looks like it needs to run overnight.

that breaks down the coronavirus sickness into all sorts of categories.
I can't certify the accuracy of the site other then to say that cases I
reported here in Thailand seem to be reported accurately.

As for death by age, yes the elderly do die more frequently however
looking at a death chart based on physical condition I see that 26% of
all deaths are 60 years old, or older but that 30% of all deaths have a
pre-existing medical condition such as Cardiovascular disease, Diabetes,
Chronic respiratory disease or Hypertension.
Is old age and a pre-existing conditions related?

If you don't already know the answer to that, then congratulations I'll
assume you'r still healthy
You get told a lot of site about you'll be fine if your stay healthy. but
the older you get, the more it is a lottery. FWIW. I've seen peole jst
drop of the mortal coild for random reasons all my life.

Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases)

On 3/19/2020 7:43 AM, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:21:31 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 05:52:32 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:16:10 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on
which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the
dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough
unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age
distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to
your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual
mindless RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...icine/sph/ide/
gida-
fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter
matter in a couple of sentences:

Err, nope, just a pile of ranting until you finally get to this;

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London --
whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying
medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the
seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. ItÂ’s no worse than the
2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

Which is wrong. What you have to keep in mind is that the Imperial
College projections is based on a subset of Chinese data. Those who
understand the problems in any subset of data will know that this
introduces the chance of selecting a subset biased away from the real
picture.

Also, Australian data is now reporting a greater than expected
percentage of 20-40s are having significant infections.

A reconcilliatin migt be perhaps the Chinese population first hit was
composed of a large percentage of elderly citizen and perhaps the
Australian people who were infected overseas were predominantl young to
middle age.

FWIW, most infections in Australia now can not be traced back to an
overseas source.


"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those
in their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

This just diverts from the real message is that based on all the
assumptions by Imperial College, based on a pile of population dynamic
research papers, that thew Globe is in for months of overload medical
services leading to many deaths of all ages.

The Imperial College paper used Rzero from 2.2-2.4 so they are saying
that it is already bad, even if all the considered control methods are
introduced. Prepare for 18(?) months of recurring cycles.


From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute Don't shoot the piano player

You certainly do not deserve any respect for posting the crap from Ann
Coulter. If your head wasn't panicking and seeing Peter Howard
everywhere, you shoud have picked up the points I made.

For whatever it is worth, there is a considerable amount of information
on a site titles ""Worldometer" https://www.worldometers.info/
thanks. Looks like it needs to run overnight.

that breaks down the coronavirus sickness into all sorts of categories.
I can't certify the accuracy of the site other then to say that cases I
reported here in Thailand seem to be reported accurately.

As for death by age, yes the elderly do die more frequently however
looking at a death chart based on physical condition I see that 26% of
all deaths are 60 years old, or older but that 30% of all deaths have a
pre-existing medical condition such as Cardiovascular disease, Diabetes,
Chronic respiratory disease or Hypertension.
Is old age and a pre-existing conditions related?

If you don't already know the answer to that, then congratulations I'll
assume you'r still healthy
You get told a lot of site about you'll be fine if your stay healthy. but
the older you get, the more it is a lottery. FWIW. I've seen peole jst
drop of the mortal coild for random reasons all my life.

Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases)

Local anecdote: The closest serious case is now in ICU five miles from
me, reportedly on a ventilator with a fever that won't reduce. He's 40
years old. They have no idea how he caught COVID-19.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/19/2020 7:43 AM, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:21:31 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 05:52:32 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:16:10 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on
which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the
dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough
unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age
distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to
your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual
mindless RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...icine/sph/ide/
gida-
fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter
matter in a couple of sentences:

Err, nope, just a pile of ranting until you finally get to this;

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London --
whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying
medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the
seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. It’s no worse than the
2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

Which is wrong. What you have to keep in mind is that the Imperial
College projections is based on a subset of Chinese data. Those who
understand the problems in any subset of data will know that this
introduces the chance of selecting a subset biased away from the real
picture.

Also, Australian data is now reporting a greater than expected
percentage of 20-40s are having significant infections.

A reconcilliatin migt be perhaps the Chinese population first hit was
composed of a large percentage of elderly citizen and perhaps the
Australian people who were infected overseas were predominantl young to
middle age.

FWIW, most infections in Australia now can not be traced back to an
overseas source.


"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those
in their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

This just diverts from the real message is that based on all the
assumptions by Imperial College, based on a pile of population dynamic
research papers, that thew Globe is in for months of overload medical
services leading to many deaths of all ages.

The Imperial College paper used Rzero from 2.2-2.4 so they are saying
that it is already bad, even if all the considered control methods are
introduced. Prepare for 18(?) months of recurring cycles.


From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute Don't shoot the piano player

You certainly do not deserve any respect for posting the crap from Ann
Coulter. If your head wasn't panicking and seeing Peter Howard
everywhere, you shoud have picked up the points I made.

For whatever it is worth, there is a considerable amount of information
on a site titles ""Worldometer" https://www.worldometers.info/
thanks. Looks like it needs to run overnight.

that breaks down the coronavirus sickness into all sorts of categories..
I can't certify the accuracy of the site other then to say that cases I
reported here in Thailand seem to be reported accurately.

As for death by age, yes the elderly do die more frequently however
looking at a death chart based on physical condition I see that 26% of
all deaths are 60 years old, or older but that 30% of all deaths have a
pre-existing medical condition such as Cardiovascular disease, Diabetes,
Chronic respiratory disease or Hypertension.
Is old age and a pre-existing conditions related?

If you don't already know the answer to that, then congratulations I'll
assume you'r still healthy
You get told a lot of site about you'll be fine if your stay healthy. but
the older you get, the more it is a lottery. FWIW. I've seen peole jst
drop of the mortal coild for random reasons all my life.

Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases)

Local anecdote: The closest serious case is now in ICU five miles from
me, reportedly on a ventilator with a fever that won't reduce. He's 40
years old. They have no idea how he caught COVID-19.

My son's housemate was diagnosed positive by a doctor but is still awaiting a formal test (flu test negative). I was visiting with him last weekend. If I die, you can have my little plastic bucket filled with old NR brake calipers. I also have some old 8sp bar end shifters. My PR will contact you to discuss shipping options.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 3/19/2020 10:52 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/19/2020 7:43 AM, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:21:31 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 05:52:32 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:16:10 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on
which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the
dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough
unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age
distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to
your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual
mindless RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...icine/sph/ide/
gida-
fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter
matter in a couple of sentences:

Err, nope, just a pile of ranting until you finally get to this;

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London --
whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying
medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the
seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. It’s no worse than the
2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

Which is wrong. What you have to keep in mind is that the Imperial
College projections is based on a subset of Chinese data. Those who
understand the problems in any subset of data will know that this
introduces the chance of selecting a subset biased away from the real
picture.

Also, Australian data is now reporting a greater than expected
percentage of 20-40s are having significant infections.

A reconcilliatin migt be perhaps the Chinese population first hit was
composed of a large percentage of elderly citizen and perhaps the
Australian people who were infected overseas were predominantl young to
middle age.

FWIW, most infections in Australia now can not be traced back to an
overseas source.


"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those
in their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

This just diverts from the real message is that based on all the
assumptions by Imperial College, based on a pile of population dynamic
research papers, that thew Globe is in for months of overload medical
services leading to many deaths of all ages.

The Imperial College paper used Rzero from 2.2-2.4 so they are saying
that it is already bad, even if all the considered control methods are
introduced. Prepare for 18(?) months of recurring cycles.


From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute Don't shoot the piano player

You certainly do not deserve any respect for posting the crap from Ann
Coulter. If your head wasn't panicking and seeing Peter Howard
everywhere, you shoud have picked up the points I made.

For whatever it is worth, there is a considerable amount of information
on a site titles ""Worldometer" https://www.worldometers.info/
thanks. Looks like it needs to run overnight.

that breaks down the coronavirus sickness into all sorts of categories.
I can't certify the accuracy of the site other then to say that cases I
reported here in Thailand seem to be reported accurately.

As for death by age, yes the elderly do die more frequently however
looking at a death chart based on physical condition I see that 26% of
all deaths are 60 years old, or older but that 30% of all deaths have a
pre-existing medical condition such as Cardiovascular disease, Diabetes,
Chronic respiratory disease or Hypertension.
Is old age and a pre-existing conditions related?

If you don't already know the answer to that, then congratulations I'll
assume you'r still healthy
You get told a lot of site about you'll be fine if your stay healthy. but
the older you get, the more it is a lottery. FWIW. I've seen peole jst
drop of the mortal coild for random reasons all my life.

Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases)

Local anecdote: The closest serious case is now in ICU five miles from
me, reportedly on a ventilator with a fever that won't reduce. He's 40
years old. They have no idea how he caught COVID-19.

My son's housemate was diagnosed positive by a doctor but is still awaiting a formal test (flu test negative). I was visiting with him last weekend. If I die, you can have my little plastic bucket filled with old NR brake calipers. I also have some old 8sp bar end shifters. My PR will contact you to discuss shipping options.


For a super scary thought, the many of us who signed up for
body disassembly years ago to avoid a funeral expense to our
heirs may be rudely surprised after death! An acquaintance
who passed recently was refused- Med School has more bodies
on ice than they need. Her worthless sons held a fundraiser
to bury her. I'm told this is the new normal.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 3/19/2020 11:52 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Local anecdote: The closest serious case is now in ICU five miles from
me, reportedly on a ventilator with a fever that won't reduce. He's 40
years old. They have no idea how he caught COVID-19.

My son's housemate was diagnosed positive by a doctor but is still awaiting a formal test (flu test negative). I was visiting with him last weekend. If I die, you can have my little plastic bucket filled with old NR brake calipers. I also have some old 8sp bar end shifters. My PR will contact you to discuss shipping options.

Oooh, bar ends!

Um... but I hope you're OK, Jay. Really.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 5:16:12 AM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
Imperial College in London has a very interesting set of numbers on which the red baseline is something I mentioned the other day: the dearth of isolation facilities (or indeed anywhere near enough unoccupied beds) in Western nations, and the important matter of age distribution of fatalities that Tom Kunich has been trying to bring to your attention, only to be viciously shouted down by the usual mindless RBT scum. Here's the Imperial paper in full:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf

For the mathematically challenged, Ann Coulter explains the latter matter in a couple of sentences:

*According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London -- whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. It’s no worse than the 2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

"But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those in their 70s and 80s, respectively. "

From http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html

Andre Jute
Don't shoot the piano player

I am 63 but I look like 50. What age does count ;-)

Lou

jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Local anecdote: The closest serious case is now in ICU five miles from
me, reportedly on a ventilator with a fever that won't reduce. He's 40
years old. They have no idea how he caught COVID-19.

My son's housemate was diagnosed positive by a doctor but is still
awaiting a formal test (flu test negative). I was visiting with him last
weekend. If I die, you can have my little plastic bucket filled with old
NR brake calipers. I also have some old 8sp bar end shifters. My PR will
contact you to discuss shipping options.

Interesting news. Try to be provident rewriting your will, not everyone
knows to appreciate those expensive Specialized carbon bikes!!

(Has a little sarcasm killed anyone, ever?)