Tube patches and Tom K.

I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way. Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of air on my cheek. Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you try to dry it enough to patch.....

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked.
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.


On to Tom K.
Of course he's right that the off-topic stuff really doesn't belong on .tech.
Probably .soc would be okay.

The thing is, the usage is so low these days, I really don't mind. I enjoy the back and forth and exchange of ideas as long as they don't get too mean-spirited
(well....it's usenet....so...).

I'll try to move things to .soc when I go off topic. Right now Joy is single-handedly keeping that group alive. Huzzah for Joy!

pH in Aptos

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 2:31:42 AM UTC, pH wrote:
I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way. Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of air on my cheek. Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you try to dry it enough to patch.....

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked.
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.


On to Tom K.
Of course he's right that the off-topic stuff really doesn't belong on .tech.
Probably .soc would be okay.

The thing is, the usage is so low these days, I really don't mind. I enjoy the back and forth and exchange of ideas as long as they don't get too mean-spirited
(well....it's usenet....so...).

I'll try to move things to .soc when I go off topic. Right now Joy is single-handedly keeping that group alive. Huzzah for Joy!

pH in Aptos

Don't trust sociologists. -- AJ

On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 6:31:42 PM UTC-8, pH wrote:
I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way. Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of air on my cheek. Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you try to dry it enough to patch.....

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked.
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.


On to Tom K.
Of course he's right that the off-topic stuff really doesn't belong on .tech.
Probably .soc would be okay.

The thing is, the usage is so low these days, I really don't mind. I enjoy the back and forth and exchange of ideas as long as they don't get too mean-spirited
(well....it's usenet....so...).

I'll try to move things to .soc when I go off topic. Right now Joy is single-handedly keeping that group alive. Huzzah for Joy!

pH in Aptos

I have a difficult time even thinking about .soc. It would attract people like John who thinks that he can hit the black with open sights with an M1A1 Carbine. Then he wants to tell me when I served in the AF and was in Vietnam.

People like that are beneath contempt and I would not like to inflict the likes of him on good sweet Joy. Even though she could chew him up and spit him out.

On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:31:39 -0800, pH wrote:

I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to
find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least
favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the
rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way.
Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much
traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the
way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of
air on my cheek.

Try using your upper lip. I find that works better, even if you have a
caterpillar.

Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you
try to dry it enough to patch.....

BTDT and decide that carry a spare and tools was far less work in
inclement weather.

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked.
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Wow, never had that many on a tube. It is a judgement based on the tubes
effectiveness to work as a tube. Sometime punctures are too close
together so they can not be patched properly and the tube splits

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've
never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.

Likewise. If it is going to take, then it takes.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:23:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 6:31:42 PM UTC-8, pH wrote:
I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way. Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of air on my cheek. Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you try to dry it enough to patch.....

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked.
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.


On to Tom K.
Of course he's right that the off-topic stuff really doesn't belong on .tech.
Probably .soc would be okay.

The thing is, the usage is so low these days, I really don't mind. I enjoy the back and forth and exchange of ideas as long as they don't get too mean-spirited
(well....it's usenet....so...).

I'll try to move things to .soc when I go off topic. Right now Joy is single-handedly keeping that group alive. Huzzah for Joy!

pH in Aptos

I have a difficult time even thinking about .soc. It would attract people like John who thinks that he can hit the black with open sights with an M1A1 Carbine. Then he wants to tell me when I served in the AF and was in Vietnam.

You "were in Vietnam"? and where were you stationed in Vietnam? Oh,
that's right, you were never stationed in Vietnam you were nearly
3,000 miles away on Guam. But no problem, you claim to have been a
member of a B-52 wing dodging missiles over N. Vietnam...

So tell us, were you a member of a "lead crew" getting all that extra
money? And what was your position in the crew? You have told us that
you sat in the A.C.'s seat while he took a crap - strange that a good
friend was an EWO on a Lead Crew and never mentioned an enlisted man
who sat in the A.C.'s seat when he was on the can.

And, I might add, I was around B-52 operations for a number of years
and knew a great many people on B-52 crews and I never heard of a "can
sitter". Was that some sort of secret position?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 3:39:15 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:31:39 -0800, pH wrote:

I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to
find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least
favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the
rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way.
Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much
traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the
way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of
air on my cheek.

Try using your upper lip. I find that works better, even if you have a
caterpillar.

Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you
try to dry it enough to patch.....

I hope there's never a next time, but I will remember your advice.
Gad, that was a horrible day. My wife and I were long-distance touring and while
we each had two spare tubes (and one tire) each for some reason I had to do a patch (I always like to immediately patch and return a tube to service, hence my Jobst comment.)

Anyway...I think it was in Pennsylvania. For whatever reason we had a real tough time there. For instance, someone would pass us in h is car, no oncoming traffic, no problem whatsoever, yet still display an obscene gesture at us out the window as they did so. I've never been a Forrester "take the laner" and always rode as far to the right as practicable, even possible.
It was really demoralizing and we were very happy to leave that state.

pH




BTDT and decide that carry a spare and tools was far less work in
inclement weather.

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked.
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Wow, never had that many on a tube. It is a judgement based on the tubes
effectiveness to work as a tube. Sometime punctures are too close
together so they can not be patched properly and the tube splits

I guess I'm the cheapest ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H most frugal ^H^H^H^H^H^H thriftiest guy
on Usenet.



Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've
never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.

Likewise. If it is going to take, then it takes.

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 5:00:12 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:23:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 6:31:42 PM UTC-8, pH wrote:
I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way. Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of air on my cheek. Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you try to dry it enough to patch.....

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked.
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.


On to Tom K.
Of course he's right that the off-topic stuff really doesn't belong on .tech.
Probably .soc would be okay.

The thing is, the usage is so low these days, I really don't mind. I enjoy the back and forth and exchange of ideas as long as they don't get too mean-spirited
(well....it's usenet....so...).

I'll try to move things to .soc when I go off topic. Right now Joy is single-handedly keeping that group alive. Huzzah for Joy!

pH in Aptos

I have a difficult time even thinking about .soc. It would attract people like John who thinks that he can hit the black with open sights with an M1A1 Carbine. Then he wants to tell me when I served in the AF and was in Vietnam.

You "were in Vietnam"? and where were you stationed in Vietnam? Oh,
that's right, you were never stationed in Vietnam you were nearly
3,000 miles away on Guam. But no problem, you claim to have been a
member of a B-52 wing dodging missiles over N. Vietnam...

So tell us, were you a member of a "lead crew" getting all that extra
money? And what was your position in the crew? You have told us that
you sat in the A.C.'s seat while he took a crap - strange that a good
friend was an EWO on a Lead Crew and never mentioned an enlisted man
who sat in the A.C.'s seat when he was on the can.

And, I might add, I was around B-52 operations for a number of years
and knew a great many people on B-52 crews and I never heard of a "can
sitter". Was that some sort of secret position?
--
cheers,

John B.

I saw where you engaged "Ed Dolan the Great" over on .soc.
You never were able to get him to go past epitaphs and insults and actually say
anything. Made me wonder he was in early-stage dementia or was perhaps a 'bot'.

There is also a guy named Mike Vandeman who you might have enjoyed attempting
to converse with--I would have like to see it, anyway.
I put a link to his stuff on .soc. Seems he's still around.

In a nutshell he thinks that one should only walk when off-pavement AND
he thinks everyone must obey his opinion.
Made for some amazing exhanges.

pH

On Friday, 6 March 2020 21:57:41 UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 5:00:12 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:23:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 6:31:42 PM UTC-8, pH wrote:
I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way. Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of air on my cheek.. Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you try to dry it enough to patch.....

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked..
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.


On to Tom K.
Of course he's right that the off-topic stuff really doesn't belong on .tech.
Probably .soc would be okay.

The thing is, the usage is so low these days, I really don't mind. I enjoy the back and forth and exchange of ideas as long as they don't get too mean-spirited
(well....it's usenet....so...).

I'll try to move things to .soc when I go off topic. Right now Joy is single-handedly keeping that group alive. Huzzah for Joy!

pH in Aptos

I have a difficult time even thinking about .soc. It would attract people like John who thinks that he can hit the black with open sights with an M1A1 Carbine. Then he wants to tell me when I served in the AF and was in Vietnam.

You "were in Vietnam"? and where were you stationed in Vietnam? Oh,
that's right, you were never stationed in Vietnam you were nearly
3,000 miles away on Guam. But no problem, you claim to have been a
member of a B-52 wing dodging missiles over N. Vietnam...

So tell us, were you a member of a "lead crew" getting all that extra
money? And what was your position in the crew? You have told us that
you sat in the A.C.'s seat while he took a crap - strange that a good
friend was an EWO on a Lead Crew and never mentioned an enlisted man
who sat in the A.C.'s seat when he was on the can.

And, I might add, I was around B-52 operations for a number of years
and knew a great many people on B-52 crews and I never heard of a "can
sitter". Was that some sort of secret position?
--
cheers,

John B.

I saw where you engaged "Ed Dolan the Great" over on .soc.
You never were able to get him to go past epitaphs and insults and actually say
anything. Made me wonder he was in early-stage dementia or was perhaps a 'bot'.

There is also a guy named Mike Vandeman who you might have enjoyed attempting
to converse with--I would have like to see it, anyway.
I put a link to his stuff on .soc. Seems he's still around.

In a nutshell he thinks that one should only walk when off-pavement AND
he thinks everyone must obey his opinion.
Made for some amazing exhanges.

pH

He also booby trapped trails used by MTB riders. I believe he was finally caught, charged and sentenced. Is he out again?

Cheers

On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 2:57:41 AM UTC, wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 5:00:12 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:23:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 6:31:42 PM UTC-8, pH wrote:
I had my front tube out today and dunked in a bucket of water trying to find a slow leak. (4 days from pumped up to un-usable) My least favourite hole to find.

You have not lived until you have been alongside a busy highway in the rain trying to locate a hole to patch so you can continue on your way. Your spares for some reason or another are unusable, there's so much traffic you can't hear the leak. The rain makes it hard to feel..the way I found was to way overpump the tube and try to feel the stream of air on my cheek.. Then don't lose the hole location in the dark as you try to dry it enough to patch.....

Anyway...5 patches on the front tube. 12 on the back last I checked..
How many patches do you guys get up to before you toss the tube?

Also, Jobst always said you had to let the patch cure overnight...I've never bothered and for the most part have never had a problem.


On to Tom K.
Of course he's right that the off-topic stuff really doesn't belong on .tech.
Probably .soc would be okay.

The thing is, the usage is so low these days, I really don't mind. I enjoy the back and forth and exchange of ideas as long as they don't get too mean-spirited
(well....it's usenet....so...).

I'll try to move things to .soc when I go off topic. Right now Joy is single-handedly keeping that group alive. Huzzah for Joy!

pH in Aptos

I have a difficult time even thinking about .soc. It would attract people like John who thinks that he can hit the black with open sights with an M1A1 Carbine. Then he wants to tell me when I served in the AF and was in Vietnam.

You "were in Vietnam"? and where were you stationed in Vietnam? Oh,
that's right, you were never stationed in Vietnam you were nearly
3,000 miles away on Guam. But no problem, you claim to have been a
member of a B-52 wing dodging missiles over N. Vietnam...

So tell us, were you a member of a "lead crew" getting all that extra
money? And what was your position in the crew? You have told us that
you sat in the A.C.'s seat while he took a crap - strange that a good
friend was an EWO on a Lead Crew and never mentioned an enlisted man
who sat in the A.C.'s seat when he was on the can.

And, I might add, I was around B-52 operations for a number of years
and knew a great many people on B-52 crews and I never heard of a "can
sitter". Was that some sort of secret position?
--
cheers,

John B.

I saw where you engaged "Ed Dolan the Great" over on .soc.

So Shortass Johnny is on .soc. I never thought I would say this, but good luck to Shortass Johnny. They're going to chew up and spit out a railroad mind -- with missing rails -- like his.

You never were able to get him ["Ed Dolan the Great"] to go past epitaphs and insults and actually say
anything.

What a loser. Anybody with half a brain can get Ed Dolan to spout of some good stuff. Tom Sherman and I held long discussions with Ed when he came on RBT. Ed is what Daniels the Garbled English aspired to be, a semi-mystical odd-connections oddball. Every writer (those that I like anyway) should have an Ed Dolan of his own to mine for ideas.

Made me wonder he was in early-stage dementia or was perhaps a 'bot'.

Nah. If Ed thought some clown, like Shortass Johnny, is a fraud, he'd give him the runaround forever, always just tantalisingly within reach so the fraudster shortass doesn't realize he's being given the Eliza Treatment and gives up the fruitless pursuit.

There is also a guy named Mike Vandeman who you might have enjoyed attempting
to converse with--I would have like to see it, anyway.

Mike Vandeman with his relentless rationality would make short shrift of Shortass Johnny. See Vandman's contribution to my blog post on his trial, down in the comments.:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150322...g/archives/993

I put a link to his stuff on .soc. Seems he's still around.

In a nutshell he thinks that one should only walk when off-pavement AND
he thinks everyone must obey his opinion.
Made for some amazing exhanges.

The main problem with cyclists taking on someone an intellectual as committed as Mike Vandeman is that most cyclists aren't bright enough to take on someone like Mike Vandeman, which is one reason for hating him (it's the reason the krygoklumpenproletariat on RBT hate me -- watch me worry about it). In the link given above, the mountain bikers, who're an extreme case of idiotic cyclists, again and again admit that the charges against Vandeman were perjury -- and the don't seem to realise what they're admitting, or care, an extreme form of stupidity, immorality, and of a monstrous sense of entitlement. Those mountain bikers make it easy to believe Vandeman's mantra, that "Mountainbikers always lie."

Andre Jute
Who has toppled a few windmills in his time

On 3/6/2020 9:48 PM, pH wrote:

Gad, that was a horrible day. My wife and I were long-distance touring and while
we each had two spare tubes (and one tire) each for some reason I had to do a patch (I always like to immediately patch and return a tube to service, hence my Jobst comment.)

Anyway...I think it was in Pennsylvania. For whatever reason we had a real tough time there. For instance, someone would pass us in h is car, no oncoming traffic, no problem whatsoever, yet still display an obscene gesture at us out the window as they did so. I've never been a Forrester "take the laner" and always rode as far to the right as practicable, even possible.
It was really demoralizing and we were very happy to leave that state.

That's odd. I'm close to Pennsylvania and ride there at least once a
week. I've ridden all the way across at least twice and I've never had a
problem.

It reminds me of our coast to coast. I was self-navigating across Iowa,
using just ordinary road maps. Iowa highways seemed to almost never have
rideable shoulders (they used loose gravel instead) so there were
countless times we had motorists (including long haul truckers) waiting
behind us until it was safe to pass, with never a hostile word or
gesture. I was heartily impressed by everyone's patience. I thought it
might be because of the state's experience with RAGBRAI.

And we got the same kind treatment by everyone - waiters and customers
in restaurants, B&B owners, motel clerks, etc. We thought "What a
pleasant state!"

A couple years later I was at a lecture by a guy talking about his coast
to coast ride. He said when he and his friend got to Iowa, the drivers
were so rude and aggressive that he immediately changed his route to get
out of Iowa ASAP. :-/


--
- Frank Krygowski