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Cyclist casualties up 9% in London.
On Thu, 26 May 2011 00:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason
wrote: On May 25, 8:33*pm, wrote: Here we go again; See John paying Income Tax, NI & VAT. See Janet paying exactly the same Income Tax, NI & VAT. Here we go again, indeed. See Janet in her car. Janet has never paid any money at all for VED, fuel, tyres, MOT, insurance, repairs, servicing yada, yada. Ever. She has never even paid for her speeding fines. Her cycling husband, John has paid every penny for the last 30 years. Janet is a sponging freeloading driver. .... and her husband is known as Simple - because that is exactly what he is. -- Simple Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists. This includes exceeding the speed limit past three schools. A total disregard for the well-being of vulnerable road users. The actions of a true psycholist. |
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On May 26, 5:51*am, Doug wrote:
So what are you suggesting here, that its OK to exceed speed limits as long as its not by very much? I know there is some latitude because of speedometer inaccuracies but it doesn't make it OK in principle. What about places where locals want speed limits to be lowered anyway, particularly past schools? Doug. The locals are very much in favour of 20mph limits outside schools *when* they are walking their kids around. However, when they get behind the wheel, they totally ignore the limit and the worst culprits are the teachers and parents themselves IME. As you can see in my commute video, I am riding at 20mph past these schools when some inconsiderate knob comes hurtling past at 30mph + totally ignoring the risk they are putting people in. If there are no humps to police 20mph zones then most drivers will simply ignore the limit as I pointed out in our local rag. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/letter.jpg -- Simon Mason |
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On 26/05/2011 05:51, Doug wrote:
On May 25, 9:29 am, "Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 25/05/2011 07:17, Doug wrote: ... Well we know from past surveys that a majority of motorists knowingly exceed speed limits,... When the Road Research Laboratory did an extensive study of speed limits, their conclusion was that the purpose of speed limits should not be seen as being to keep traffic at or below the set limit. Source? Link? I would like to verify your claim. A bound volume of Road Research Laboratory reports that was in Hove Public Library reference section, when I last looked. I think it changed its name to the Transport and Road Research Laboratory in the early 1980s, so I rather doubt RRL reports are available online. Rather, they should be seen as a way to avoid large differentials in traffic speed and as a way to reduce significantly the number of vehicles that grossly exceed the set limit. Their suggestions of what constituted 'grossly exceeding' the limit quite closely match the ACPO recommendations on the point at which prosecution would be appropriate. So what are you suggesting here, that its OK to exceed speed limits as long as its not by very much? Unlike you, I do not encourage people to break the law. I am simply reporting the conclusions of the Road Research Laboratory. However, the Association of Chief Police Officers does seem to think that, as a general rule and providing there is no other offence, it is acceptable for vehicles to travel at a little above the limit without penalty. I know there is some latitude because of speedometer inaccuracies Not in speed limits. Any speedometer errors must result in the vehicle travelling slower than indicated, not faster. but it doesn't make it OK in principle. What about places where locals want speed limits to be lowered anyway, particularly past schools? The same principles apply, whatever the limit, although the RRL did make the point that, to be effective, speed limits need to match the drivers' perception of a safe speed for the road, so lower limits will normally require traffic calming measures as well. Colin Bignell |
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 02:59:08 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason
wrote: On May 26, 5:51*am, Doug wrote: So what are you suggesting here, that its OK to exceed speed limits as long as its not by very much? I know there is some latitude because of speedometer inaccuracies but it doesn't make it OK in principle. What about places where locals want speed limits to be lowered anyway, particularly past schools? Doug. The locals are very much in favour of 20mph limits outside schools *when* they are walking their kids around. However, when they get behind the wheel, they totally ignore the limit and the worst culprits are the teachers and parents themselves IME. As you can see in my commute video, I am riding at 20mph past these schools when some inconsiderate knob comes hurtling past at 30mph + totally ignoring the risk they are putting people in. If there are no humps to police 20mph zones then most drivers will simply ignore the limit as I pointed out in our local rag. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/letter.jpg "Inconsiderate knob" - sums you up nicely. -- Simple Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists. This includes exceeding the speed limit past three schools. A total disregard for the well-being of vulnerable road users. The actions of a true psycholist. |
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On May 26, 5:51*am, Doug wrote:
On May 25, 9:29*am, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 25/05/2011 07:17, Doug wrote: ... Well we know from past surveys that a majority of motorists knowingly exceed speed limits,... When the Road Research Laboratory did an extensive study of speed limits, their conclusion was that the purpose of speed limits should not be seen as being to keep traffic at or below the set limit. Source? Link? I would like to verify your claim. Rather, they should be seen as a way to avoid large differentials in traffic speed and as a way to reduce significantly the number of vehicles that grossly exceed the set limit. Their suggestions of what constituted 'grossly exceeding' the limit quite closely match the ACPO recommendations on the point at which prosecution would be appropriate. So what are you suggesting here, that its OK to exceed speed limits as long as its not by very much? I know there is some latitude because of speedometer inaccuracies but it doesn't make it OK in principle. What about places where locals want speed limits to be lowered anyway, particularly past schools? Doug. A bit like 250w only being a bit over 200w then. |
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On 26/05/2011 08:26, Simon Mason wrote:
On May 25, 8:33 pm, wrote: Here we go again; See John paying Income Tax, NI& VAT. See Janet paying exactly the same Income Tax, NI& VAT. Here we go again, indeed. See Janet in her car. Janet has never paid any money at all for VED, fuel, tyres, MOT, insurance, repairs, servicing yada, yada. Ever. She has never even paid for her speeding fines. Her cycling husband, John has paid every penny for the last 30 years. Janet is a sponging freeloading driver. I used my debit card to pay my Road Tax. Therefore Lloyd's Bank paid it. I can't believe you are actually this ****ing stupid. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. |
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On May 26, 4:48*pm, Phil W Lee wrote:
I bet you even break the 40mph speed limit for HGVs when you are on downhill sections of single carriageway on leisure rides as well. You probably even do that in your car. Disgraceful behaviour! - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't wear a magic hat, so on steep downwhill sections, I limit my speed to 25 mph even though I could go well over that. In fact, in a recent downhill club TT held last month - this happened. " Result for event 3 the ultra quick 5 mile prologue held on Tuesday 12th April 2011 Jason Young once again decimated the opposition with a 21 second beating of the rest of the field on a cold but fast night at Weedley. Tony Goundry was best of the rest with with many riders separated by one second gaps. At one point Jason was clocked at 52 mph (through the dip before the Rowley turn off) but somewhat surprisingly was still 10 seconds of Paul Purdy’s course record of 8 mins 30 seconds set the first year the event was held. Good to see so many riders out – lets hope this enthusiasm continues for the rest of the season." -- Simon Mason |
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On May 26, 7:17*pm, wrote:
On 26/05/2011 08:26, Simon Mason wrote: On May 25, 8:33 pm, wrote: Here we go again; See John paying Income Tax, NI& *VAT. See Janet paying exactly the same Income Tax, NI& *VAT. Here we go again, indeed. See Janet in her car. Janet has never paid any money at all for VED, fuel, tyres, MOT, insurance, repairs, servicing yada, yada. Ever. She has never even paid for her speeding fines. Her cycling husband, John has paid every penny for the last 30 years. Janet is a sponging freeloading driver. I used my debit card to pay my Road Tax. *Therefore Lloyd's Bank paid it. |
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On May 26, 7:17*pm, wrote:
I used my debit card to pay my Road Tax. *Therefore Lloyd's Bank paid it. |
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 11:18:07 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason
wrote: On May 26, 4:48*pm, Phil W Lee wrote: I bet you even break the 40mph speed limit for HGVs when you are on downhill sections of single carriageway on leisure rides as well. You probably even do that in your car. Disgraceful behaviour! - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't wear a magic hat, so on steep downwhill sections, I limit my speed to 25 mph even though I could go well over that. In fact, in a recent downhill club TT held last month - this happened. So because you don't wear a helmet - you limit your speed to 25mph - and yet you hold that helmets do no good whatsoever. You really, really are ****ing Simple aren't you. I cannot believe how daft you are. Perhaps one of your mates can explain the logic behind this, because I sure cannot see it; unless you are just plain daft. -- Simple Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists. This includes exceeding the speed limit past three schools. A total disregard for the well-being of vulnerable road users. The actions of a true psycholist. |
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