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  #31  
Old May 30th 11, 07:09 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On May 28, 4:48*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 28/05/2011 07:55, Doug wrote:

On May 26, 2:29 pm, *wrote:
Doug wrote:
It was lucky no cyclists were in the way.
Are you really stupid enough to think that a little
piece off waffle like that at the start makes your
ludicrous post "on topic" for u.r.c. ?

No it is on topic because drivers behaving badly pose a serious threat
to cyclists and cyclists need to know about it so that they can follow
the usual advice and take preventative measures.


What would those measures be?

Don't cycle near houses?

See the text you have deleted.

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Old May 30th 11, 10:46 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 30/05/2011 07:08, Doug wrote:

"Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:
Doug wrote:


...Though what they
could do in this case eludes me as even a helmet doesn't offer much
protection against a crashing car which is capable of smashing a wall....


Where, in the link you posted, does it mention smashing a wall? It only
says the car crashed into the window. As this is a straight roaad with
bay windows sticking out of the house front, over the pavement, it would
quite possible to hit the window without even touching the wall.


In similar cases, where a car is allowed by the driver to leave the
road at speed, cross a pavement and front garden and crash into the
wall of a house, considerable damage may be caused to that wall and at
the same time endangering those inside the house or in the front
garden or on the pavement.


If only there were a way of requiring these errant drivers to demonstrate
(before the fact) that any damage they do would be paid for, eg, by having a
contractual arrangement with a company with large monetary reserves that for
an annual fee, they would undertake to make good (as far as is possible) any
damage he does with his vehicle?

Ideally, it ought to be compulsory. With substantial penalties for not complying.

And there's no good reason why such a good idea shouldn't also be applied to
cyclists, is there?
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Old May 30th 11, 10:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 30/05/2011 07:09, Doug wrote:
On May 28, 4:48 pm, wrote:
On 28/05/2011 07:55, Doug wrote:

On May 26, 2:29 pm, wrote:
Doug wrote:
It was lucky no cyclists were in the way.
Are you really stupid enough to think that a little
piece off waffle like that at the start makes your
ludicrous post "on topic" for u.r.c. ?
No it is on topic because drivers behaving badly pose a serious threat
to cyclists and cyclists need to know about it so that they can follow
the usual advice and take preventative measures.


What would those measures be?

Don't cycle near houses?

See the text you have deleted.


I'm sure I didn't delete any suggestion you made about cyclists "following
advice" (ha!) or taking "preventative measures".

Perhaps you could kindly remind everyone of what those suggestions were?
  #34  
Old May 30th 11, 11:33 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On May 30, 10:46*am, JNugent wrote:
On 30/05/2011 07:08, Doug wrote:

"Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere *wrote:
Doug wrote:
...Though what they
could do in this case eludes me as even a helmet doesn't offer much
protection against a crashing car which is capable of smashing a wall.....
Where, in the link you posted, does it mention smashing a wall? It only
says the car crashed into the window. As this is a straight roaad with
bay windows sticking out of the house front, over the pavement, it would
quite possible to hit the window without even touching the wall.

In similar cases, where a car is allowed by the driver to leave the
road at speed, cross a pavement and front garden and crash into the
wall of a house, considerable damage may be caused to that wall and at
the same time endangering those inside the house or in the front
garden or on the pavement.


If only there were a way of requiring these errant drivers to demonstrate
(before the fact) that any damage they do would be paid for, eg, by having a
contractual arrangement with a company with large monetary reserves that for
an annual fee, they would undertake to make good (as far as is possible) any
damage he does with his vehicle?

Ideally, it ought to be compulsory. With substantial penalties for not complying.

And there's no good reason why such a good idea shouldn't also be applied to
cyclists, is there?


You stupid boy, such a scheme exists already, it's called insurance,
and as many have told you on this group, all cyclists have got
insurance.
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Old May 30th 11, 11:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 30/05/2011 07:08, Doug wrote:
On May 28, 3:57 pm, "Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 28/05/2011 07:55, Doug wrote:

...Though what they
could do in this case eludes me as even a helmet doesn't offer much
protection against a crashing car which is capable of smashing a wall....


Where, in the link you posted, does it mention smashing a wall? It only
says the car crashed into the window. As this is a straight road with
bay windows sticking out of the house front, over the pavement, it would
quite possible to hit the window without even touching the wall.


Which, it appears is exactly what happened - see link below.

The sum total of damage appearing to be the outer skin of the wall below
the window being knocked down and a radiator being dislodged inside.


In similar cases, where a car is allowed by the driver to leave the
road at speed,


Nothing in any report about this happening 'at speed'.

cross a pavement and front garden


No front garden here.

and crash into the
wall of a house,


The car didn't even touch the front wall of the house.

considerable damage may be caused to that wall


Very rarely if it is a car. More often if it is a lorry or bus.

and at
the same time endangering those inside the house or in the front
garden or on the pavement.


No garden, as I said, and Google Streeview shows the street as virtually
deserted.

This just happened to be a more minor example.


In fact, nothing like the picture you are trying to paint.

However, you do seem to have a soulmate in the reporter for this link:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/te...4229-28768111/

who manages to get 'Tot's escape as car hits Middlesbrough home' out
of the fact that there was a child playing in a part of the house that
was not involved in or even threatened by the accident.

Colin Bignell
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Old May 30th 11, 11:44 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On May 26, 5:30*am, Doug wrote:
Yes, yet another one. Nowhere is safe! It was lucky no cyclists were
in the way. Not much info as yet.

"A car has crashed into the front window of a house in Middlesbrough.

The incident, on Union Street, was the result of a collision between a
Hyundai and a second vehicle, which then went into the bay window.

Few details have been released, but it is not thought to have resulted
in any injuries. The extent of damage to the terraced property is
being assessed.

Anyone who witnessed the crash at about 0930 BST is asked to contact
Cleveland Police."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-13543297

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How was the cyclist lucky (I assume there was a cyclist involved), I
have seen no mention of him.

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Old May 30th 11, 11:46 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On May 26, 9:49*am, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
Doug wrote:
"A car has crashed ..."


What has this to do with cycling? *Or a cycling newsgroup?

your tenuous attempt at introducing a cycling spin makes you look like
the ****witted **** you are.

And yes, that's swearing, with forethought and malice. *You do
cyclists, cycling and cycle/road safety no good with your constant
polarisation and blinkered approach to blaming others for _everything_.

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What you do not understand is that Doog posts these events to warn
'real cyclists' of danger, quite why he has to do this as he is the
only 'real cyclist' amazes me.
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Old May 30th 11, 11:46 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On May 26, 2:29*pm, bugbear wrote:
Doug wrote:
It was lucky no cyclists were
in the way.


Are you really stupid enough to think that a little
piece off waffle like that at the start makes your
ludicrous post "on topic" for u.r.c. ?

* BugBear


I think the answer to that is 'yes'
  #39  
Old May 30th 11, 12:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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webreader wrote:

What you do not understand is that Doog posts these events to warn
'real cyclists' of danger, quite why he has to do this as he is the
only 'real cyclist' amazes me.


I've 'known' Doug for years on various newsgroups, so yes, I do
understand him .. which leads me to believe he truly is a ****witted
****.

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Old May 30th 11, 01:32 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 30/05/2011 11:44, webreader wrote:

How was the cyclist lucky (I assume there was a cyclist involved), I
have seen no mention of him.


Oh for God's sake have you not figured it out yet?
*tsk*
The driver of the car was not riding a bicycle. The previous sentence
contains the word bicycle and therefore is relevant to URC in the same
way that all things are either legal or illegal and therefore relevant
in Doug's mind to Uk legal.


Do you cycling guys get his 'ban animal testing of cosmetics' posts too,
they are fun?

Andy
 




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